EXPERIMENTAL IDEAS FOR PRO PLAY

[catalyst]

Overlaying the above approach I have various other methods to signal the increased likelihood of the zero section, based on prior spin sequences ( complex statistical multi set analysis), but also we are working on entirely different ways to predict such outcomes. More on this later.


Overlaying such work with the m/a methods can multiply your betting efficiencies. It does not mean you always win but you know better when to stop and start, and to bet more effectively and obtain greater return on your working capital.


Serious stuff.


Best


XXVV

your ideas of M/A is perfectly in line with my expectation as i have cross-checked thousands of spins for inside numbers. but overlaying other methods is still a enigma to me. but i am analyzing your previous posts to get an overall idea.

compounding too remain an 'mis'understood block. so you are suggesting to increase unit value at the end of session for compounding ?

i am glad i have got some very important ideas from this thread for my sector bet.
thanks
catalyst

[XXVV]

@catalyst


thanks again for your comments and questions....


Utilising the m/a as a signal to start and stop will improve your betting efficiency.


You can measure the edge differential by experimental evidence from true live spins ( NOT random generated stuff - unless through my colleague who generates his random from pi )


I think I have shown you the zero section 5 numbers as an example and you simply accrue the latest three mini coups where one of those numbers has been hit - add them up and keep a rolling running total of the latest three. When it reduces that is a signal to attack. When it rises you stop, or also you stop after say three successive good net wins, ie hits on 7th spin or less since last show.


Now, say you overlay a statistically based group / set of 9 numbers featuring zero as its core and call that A. You mark the other 27 +1 numbers as B, C and D.


Then you can find ways to read the game and even predict outcomes based on cluster theory.


If you, or anyone else is interested in this very big subject please contact me, say by PM and I will see if I can assist.


My philosophy, which is shared by my colleagues, is to seek and distribute 'abundance' in life.


I am not interested in selfish enterprise which is self defeating.


That is why I am prepared to assist, within reason. More on this soon.


Here is another hint ( and its not a dead end hint either-LoL) - work out 4 sets of finales A,B,C, D on the numbers of the wheel/ table


For example 1,3 Ffinales and the number Zero is A.


2.4 and number 10 is B


5,6 and 20 is C


7,8,9 and 30 is D


Again cluster theory can predict forthcoming appearances by Zero and similar finales with 90% accuracy.


Imagine overlaying Finales + Wheel Sets and m/a on the Five.  Every day live.


that's what I do.


Best


XXVV

[XXVV]

Compounding can be handled in several ways depending on your risk tolerance.


I flat stake bet but one of my colleagues has recommended that I could increase my bet unit value, say on a ratio of 2:3 or 3 :5 after 14 level stake winning coups.


A session may be only 3 coups if you are pressed for time or playing high value - so you just seamlessly continue your next session onward toward 14.


That is very conservative.  It could be stepped after 7 coups.


Or you can wind it up $2 unit to $3 unit to $5 units in clusters of three coups. Aggressive.


Just a simple parlay but highly effective.


XXVV

[XXVV]

The correct term for the overlay on the flat staking method I have outlined for the 5 number attack method is a moving sum.

Do not not underestimate what I have provided here a start and stop signal.


XXVV

[catalyst]

The correct term for the overlay on the flat staking method I have outlined for the 5 number attack method is a moving sum.

Do not not underestimate what I have provided here a start and stop signal.


XXVV

Dear XXVV
moving sum is also active in actual RNG which surprises me. parlay concept in three coups in cluster is already in my attention. but it could be extended more and possibly the third parlay could be continuous with the moving sum until it dies. i googled for cluster theory and found out some. could you please provide some more in applicability in sectors.

thanks
catalyst

[XXVV]

@catalyst


this is a big question, and at this stage I am not prepared to go into further cluster theory detail as there are reasons why I do not want to publish very powerful material without closer working relationship with colleagues.


Should you wish please P/M me and I will consider your request and further detail.


As you may know I work with selected colleagues and am always open to expansion of this network.


At this stage also am working on a website which in due course will harness a huge amount of technical knowledge and power, in the true spirit of abundance and genuine professional application of our sum total of roulette to turn this to mutual advantage.


Its a big ask, a big quest and it cannot be rushed but the process to organise is underway and the team is working on it.


In the meantime I have illustrated the most simple of bets here and have now sampled 4000 live spins from 50 live sessions at my local casino.


The results by applying simple start /stop rules based on the simple running/ moving sum, shows a +20% edge.


As with my work on the Reverse Bet, when a m/a is applied or moving sum ( simpler and faster), the operator needs perfected skill, experience, judgement, and patience.


Such qualities are very rare in casino players but the term 'professional' changes things because so much is at stake.


The bet characteristics are now seen and understood after monitoring and reviewing in hind sight the 4000 spins.


Its a very tough call. Even the testing would turn off most and the actual live play to meet the requirements of the start/ stop criteria is probably less than 10% of the total time at the table. Some sessions don't even qualify to start ( rare).


So it is important to overlay such a bet with perhaps another simple bet so you as the player are legitimate to be occupying table space, but also that you don't fall asleep ! -LoL.


These all go into the make up of what we term 'the perfect bet'.


More on that later.


My results for the flat stake (not parlay) play on the method shows +850 units after 4000 spins.


The behaviour of flat staking though needs warning because it did retrace from 600 to 250 over a 2000 spin extent, but never went negative in this trial anyway.


Now there is caution but hope.


Even with 20% edge you can still go through loss phases.


There are strategies to mitigate such loss and at other times to accentuate the positives. The parlays may be of use there.


In my view you can pick any 5 numbers. They don't have to be contiguous on the wheel.


Hope this helps you and is intended as food for thought.


Of course I will carry on the test sample to 50,000 spins plus.


However the point I am making is that 'overlays' can really add effectiveness to your bets.


The one illustrated here is just one simple one.


Best


XXVV

[XXVV]

As we all know early results in testing any procedure often show over optimistic results. However in this case I conservatively believe the edge may settle to a respectable 10%. At present it is hovering 15-25% and that after a few slow phases.


In coming days I will crunch a lot more data.


What I really want to emphasise is that overlays and disciplined insight can really adjust the way you read and see the game.


Nevertheless there will still be games that are too murky to penetrate and these should be set aside. It is just that they require other tools.


By the way we believe our new website may be able to be in operation now within a month for testing. Will advise.


XXVV

[XXVV]

Here is an example of the five number strategy  ( rolling sum overlay method) applied to a short session from this morning live at the casino.


It was a modest little exercise and may illustrate what I have been trying to explain.




33
30
9
30
30


2
17
8
12
34
30
31
11
3
32
7
33
10
35
28
26
28
19
20
32
2
2
23
26

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Notice the spacings on the 5 number target centred on zero on the wheel

14   14
1     15
6     21
4     11   signal to attack
4     14   signal to stop                                 hit and +36 - 20 = +16 units


The LH column is the spacings between (inclusive) of a hit on one of the 5 targets


The RH column is the rolling sum total of the last three of these.


This transformation provides the signal to attack if going smaller or levelling or of pausing and stopping if enlarging.


The 16 units was earned in 29 spins.


Overall to date on my testings the edge is +20% in the players favour by overlaying the start/ stop strategy, even in its crudest and simplest sense, flat staking.


In the fullness of a robust 50,000 spin sample I anticipate the edge slipping to 10% but this is still a formidable result from such simple means.


Our new web site when operational after preliminary testing and tuning will feature a message board so players can openly comment on experiences and results.


Our goals are authenticity and abundance in the fullest sense.


Best


XXVV

[Robeenhuut]

@catalyst


this is a big question, and at this stage I am not prepared to go into further cluster theory detail as there are reasons why I do not want to publish very powerful material without closer working relationship with colleagues.


Should you wish please P/M me and I will consider your request and further detail.


As you may know I work with selected colleagues and am always open to expansion of this network.


At this stage also am working on a website which in due course will harness a huge amount of technical knowledge and power, in the true spirit of abundance and genuine professional application of our sum total of roulette to turn this to mutual advantage.


Its a big ask, a big quest and it cannot be rushed but the process to organise is underway and the team is working on it.


In the meantime I have illustrated the most simple of bets here and have now sampled 4000 live spins from 50 live sessions at my local casino.


The results by applying simple start /stop rules based on the simple running/ moving sum, shows a +20% edge.


As with my work on the Reverse Bet, when a m/a is applied or moving sum ( simpler and faster), the operator needs perfected skill, experience, judgement, and patience.


Such qualities are very rare in casino players but the term 'professional' changes things because so much is at stake.


The bet characteristics are now seen and understood after monitoring and reviewing in hind sight the 4000 spins.


Its a very tough call. Even the testing would turn off most and the actual live play to meet the requirements of the start/ stop criteria is probably less than 10% of the total time at the table. Some sessions don't even qualify to start ( rare).


So it is important to overlay such a bet with perhaps another simple bet so you as the player are legitimate to be occupying table space, but also that you don't fall asleep ! -LoL.


These all go into the make up of what we term 'the perfect bet'.


More on that later.


My results for the flat stake (not parlay) play on the method shows +850 units after 4000 spins.


The behaviour of flat staking though needs warning because it did retrace from 600 to 250 over a 2000 spin extent, but never went negative in this trial anyway.


Now there is caution but hope.


Even with 20% edge you can still go through loss phases.


There are strategies to mitigate such loss and at other times to accentuate the positives. The parlays may be of use there.


In my view you can pick any 5 numbers. They don't have to be contiguous on the wheel.


Hope this helps you and is intended as food for thought.


Of course I will carry on the test sample to 50,000 spins plus.


However the point I am making is that 'overlays' can really add effectiveness to your bets.


The one illustrated here is just one simple one.


Best


XXVV

I enjoy your analytical approach but it sometimes feels like a case of reversed engineering. If you have unusually good results playing your method you tend to attribute it to your bet selection. But it might be just a pure luck. Here i saw that you lost 350u in period of 2000 spins after you hit 600u. that's quite normal.  I flat bet 1 to 6 numbers and had a run of 1000u gain in around 5k spins. Had few winning sessions in excess of 200u and few losing ones but overall balance still in a positive territory. You predict in 50k spins to have still a 10% edge after you are now at 20%. Can you explain it a bit more? I just have a problem with some definitive claims in roulette in general.

Regards

[XXVV]

@RobinHood


Thank you Matt


You are quite right to exercise a cautionary note over my recent words. The risk of ' reverse engineering' using the magic of hindsight is particularly appropriate.


What I have done here is to choose a ridiculously simple bet and try to illustrate how even such a simple approach given smart overlays can turn a humble bet into a professional bet.


The Reverse Bet that was derived from the great work by Scooby et al. was shown to be further enhanced by various 'moving averages (m/a). From the extreme version ( 12 steps) where the patience of a saint is required to the more volatile (3 steps)*, the bet efficiency was consistently improved when comparative results were prepared using past live data.


Sure we engineered it from past data but over vast sample sizes and from various sources.


The danger of reverse engineering is where you just utlise one limited source and pool of data to fool yourself into creating a method that would have worked brilliantly, if only it had been applied ahead of time.


That is of course a terrible self defeating trap.


We have been very careful to review large samples, robust samples of at least 50,000 spins and those also from a variety of trusted and true live data sources. Best if its your own bet experience. I am so fortunate to have access to live data from Ritz in London, Sydney StarCity, Auckland Sky City  and Christchurch casinos. Also we have European Casinos and even some random generated data on massive sample sizes derived from pi, and not from suspect sources such as atmospheric noise conditions used by certain sources.


Reviewing data on Reverse Bet over year taught me to hone in on key bet characteristics very quickly and these, when flat staking can be extrapolated with caution as a 'tendency towards'.


This notion I find applies to a lot of roulette data, and hence I am interested in precision but with also a degree of looseness or slippage, such as a key single target on the wheel but with two neighbours either side. Hence the 5 target bet concept.


Extending then over from the R/ Bet work I am currently working laboriously through some live data on the start/ stop overlay in its crudest form ( three step running sum).


At present I have reviewed 81 sessions spread over a 6 month circuit but selected at random, ie not in time sequence of session date, and at present we have....


+1125 units ( a new all time high - a good sign this)   in 6715 spins.


It is deliberately the crudest of tests and plays out conservatively till the end of each session. There is no discretionary stop while peaking etc, just grinding out even if a stop-loss -60 unit penalty is attached.


There is a huge difference in play approach between say digging out of an early hole, and instead playing with a series of early wins.


However in this case it is a simple grind with one overlay and at this time a +17% edge is demonstrated. Hence my experience from other flat testing on large samples is used to suggest that there may be a tendency toward the overall edge slowly settling to a +10% figure, as there is a gentle oscillation between extremes that seem to track down graphically in a gentle curve.


We shall see.


Hope this helps to explain my heuristic approach.


* the three steps are the result of the summation of the last three distance outcomes between wins in the 5 bet approach or with the Reverse Bet again the distance between hits. This 'transformation' seems to enable a view from a different perspective enabling fresh insight.


The sum term is chosen because its simpler and faster to apply and hence more applicable to fast live action and decision making live.


Also this simple one 'overlay' which seems to indicate a great edge, is just one of many that can be applied.


I hope to soon illustrate several new ways to enhance and make more efficient this potentially professional bet. We are on a most exciting journey of discovery here and that is why I am endeavouring to make the explanations to date, simple and transparent.


There are other overlays that will be provided soon that will be less transparent. But that is the nature of dealing with randomness. It is like peeling the layers from the onion, as below the surface fresh insights can be revealed, not immediately apparent from the surface.


Best
XXVV

[XXVV]

@geo


Thanks so much for your contribution, comments, questions and insight. It will be fascinating to read more of your research.


Regarding the work of the Moderators, I can state that they do a magnificent job on this Forum and on the new BetSelection.cc Forum. It has always been a pleasure to work with Roulette Forum .cc and without the assistance of the Moderators at key earlier times life would have had different outcomes.


The wheels I work with are mainly shallow scalloped varieties of standard diameter. Occasionally a 'bucket wheel' of more confined 'grip' to a number is found and in Sydney I believe they are mainly like that. Some players at the higher levels prefer this latter variety I believe and in the private gaming rooms of the casinos I am advised that these types are preferred.
The ball seems to skip along on the shallow scallops and thus may unsettle the player as the ball especially the lightweight and smaller balls may skip out of the initial number seating.


It doesn't bother me at all. To me the outcome is the outcome and mechanical production of this random data sequence is always most entertaining and I don't lose any sleep over which means are utilised.


Hope this gets the ball rolling so to speak...


XXVV

[XXVV]

To conclude the little study on the one overlay bet I suggested for a 5 number target flat staking bet, here is the data based on a modest 10,000 spin survey from my live play data over the past 9 months.
I want to emphasise this is just one of several possible 'overlays'.
The overlay I have used is a running or moving sum total based on the three last distances between hits to any one of those five numbers. In that sense it is a transformation.
It is so simple yet so effective.
Being flat staked, it does re-trace from time to time, and of course any five numbers could be used and they dont have to be contiguous on the wheel ( but I dont think it does any harm). Sometimes the five will move in and out of warmth/ heat, but as my testing used data randomly drawn from my game records there is no time influence here, and thus the ups and downs have an intrinsic natural flow.
10,000 spins sample in 123 sessions targetting zero as core with 3, 26, 32 and 15 added.
+1455 units
peaked at +1798.
Bet edge thus defined as +14.55% in this sample.
Overall the range has been swinging between 14 and 30 %, and there appears to be as always a gentle dampening of the volatility of this swing between the parameters. I also am very conservative as to clusters of samples and if I were to test 10,000 from London would we see the same characteristics?
I dont know but I will do this by end of year when I may have more research time.
My sense is that we should enable a net 10% postive edge here.
Also in this test there has been no consideration or overlay of edit of a session to close out a session while ahead say or to take a pre-determined percentage target. If this were done higher net returns would have been achieved. These results were played 'brain-dead', ie just grinding out to the end of the session.
I can report that the signal to attack provided by the direction of the moving sum can be an extraordinary herald of three or more quick hits on the zero numbers.
Lastly I want to really emphasise that this is a very simply bet. There are other even more powerful overlays I can recommend and apply so that there are the elements here of what I consider to be a superb professional bet approach and technique.
Very soon I will showing you how to apply these additional overlays. The new web site will outline these in due course.
Fundamental however before any such valuable information is the necessity for training and preparation in self knowledge, psychology, psychology of gambling, casino protocols, money management, mental preparation, fitness, and discrimination.
This is just a part of what will be needed, but by genuine and faithful application toward goals and positive outcomes (winning), then the first steps toward access to free money are being taken.
Free does not suggest easy or freedom from responsibility. Quite the contrary, but it does enable access to money that is clear of debt or negative emotional connotations.
Best
XXVV

[sniper]

Hello XXVV,

Thank you very much for your ideas and systems.

I have been reading and following all your post with great interest.

I have a question here for you regarding your 5 numbers bet.

14   14
1     15
6     21
4     11
4     14
3     11  signal to attack
            ( after 5 spins if there is still no win, do we stop or continue betting until a win?)
           
Regards

[XXVV]

@sniper


In the context of the Forum I am trying to be helpful, not too specific, but providing genuine guides which can encourage and stimulate individual growth and progress.


This is different to the potentially false 'hinting' that drives us all crazy. My work is ethically sound.


Hence it is a matter of trial and error. I suggest a stop loss and you need to conduct your own tests to come to understand the 'bet characteristics' ( every bet is unique). I have used a stop at 12 bets which you may consider too much but the results I have and am about to publish utilise that figure so yes there can be setbacks at times.


My next post will go into this 'generically'.


Soon I plan to publish quite specific guides, but that may be next month and beyond the Forum.


However in the interim I have real spin samples to illustrate some points.

[sniper]

Hello XXVV,


Thank you very much for your explanation on the stop loss.


Looking forward to your next post.


Regards