EXPERIMENTAL IDEAS FOR PRO PLAY

[XXVV]

I am going to publish here two sessions from live play 12 months ago at a local casino.


Both illustrate the remarkable power of this simple bet at its best. It is of course NOT always like this and you will have to find various means to mitigate loss and accentuate profit.


My target here is Zero and 4 neighbours.


Example One


36
30
9
17
10
12
24
30
28
35
2
11
6
4
14
2
4
22
22
4
28
3
0
0
26
32
30
32
28
23
24
21
16
18
12
27
0
3
22
24
24
28
26


........




+130 units




Example Two


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9
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14
1
28
27
24
26
7
32
21
6
26
8
29
10
5
22
17
12
35
10
35
10


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25
8
22
8
19
19
24
22
5
13


32
0
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6
1
20
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33
19
0
14
8
3
34
11
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31
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5
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5
12
1
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14
32

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14
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32
11
11
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10
36
31
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32

4
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26
6
26

......




+132 units

[XXVV]

I have nearly gone as far as I am prepared to go on this bet, at this stage, but in fairness I wanted to add a few generic comments on the testing I have been doing.


As I cautioned, I sensed that there would be a move to a figure closer to +10% edge on the larger and broader grouping of session review.


Indeed after 20,000 spins the indicator is now at +10% edge, and that really serves my purpose because all I have laid out is a bare bone chassis of a bet, still in the workshop.


There are various overlays and professional level applications which can enhance this modest little bet. I have privately applied several and have turned a standard +3.5% result using the basic bet on several more difficult sessions to a more consistent and stable +30% edge. These show promise but must be rigorously checked.


I will just give a generic guide at this stage to try to help.


Keep sessions short so as to save your profit.


Flat stake.


stop-loss but don't chase losses. When its good its great, but when its bad it can re-trace needlessly.


The moving sum is a very good guide but not always correct, so be cautious. Beware false signals and if experienced stop quickly.


Target a sensible goal and stop when that has been achieved.


Any 5 numbers can be targeted.


There is so very much more I could say but am going to draw the line at this point. In due course there will be much more available.


So good fortune with your testing and application.


Best


XXVV

[XXVV]

Adding a little more.


All the 20,000 test was a grind, and played out to the end of the session ( in review) - so play stopped for other reasons and NOT to the advantage of the 5 number target.


The principle that shines through though is that even in its most basic form with a simple start stop moving sum trigger, then the method has a +7 to +10% edge.


At its best it is brilliant.


Imagine what can be done with it where other powerful overlays are in place and smart money management is applied!!!


Remember the secret of winning at roulette is to read and understand that the random series outcomes are a series of short trends, swirls and eddies in the racing and sometimes placid current.


I use at least three overlays always.


Today live here was the transformed line of spacings of win outcomes...


4
11
10
15
5
4
9
5
4
2
1


.....


key was to stop there or sooner as the next was 14.


The winning sequence was flat staked +91 units in key 25 spins.


Key was waiting/ timing the attack and the retreat.


Hope you have enjoyed this work.


In testing it in its simplest form it may disappoint you but, as always, the real power lies in knowing the bet characteristics and applying smart overlays, well tested and tuned.


More soon.  XXVV

[XXVV]

I recall the late great Mr Square Roulette once stating that the most effective bet on the table is to back one number. The more you add as targets the more you diminish your short term trend gain attack efficiency.


The worst you can do is cover the board in chips.


By playing this way, as many do, you are actually adding to the house edge way over their nominal -2.7% edge.


It is with this in mind I have featured the 5 target bet as a sensible compromise to speed things along a bit, but even then you may encounter sleepy passages of nil action recommended.


Adding to this I also add the 9 number target.


It can also be played on the trigger action of a short moving sum.


Since writing of this I have fully incorporated such into my daily play, and as we know practice soon absorbs what at first might appear difficult.


It is fast, simple and effective, so will be writing on this soon.


The signals gained from the trigger to start on the 5 number bet, actioned on say zero as centre, has had formidable positive results, as long as you close off after say three consecutive wins, or you keep a tight rein on outlays and stop before the gains you have made are eroded.


Last night I had a record +162 unit result from about 60 spins with a short trend into zero as a reaction to earlier sleep. The trigger reveals these opportunities .However caution because there can also be false signals sometimes and you must always be on guard.


In due course I will reveal even more powerful and consistent true signals to attack.


With sensible self management the original goal of compounding +10% gains on your daily bank can be realised ( see the Common Sense thread).


Best
XXVV

[XXVV]

It has been amusing to watch a recent television production that told the documentary story of a banker who went awry and stole from his trusting private investment clients over a 10 year period until publicity from the Bernard Madoff 'Ponzi Scheme' alerted one client to suspect phony financial statements. ( In this case the bank concerned repaid the $18M stolen money to the original investors).


There has been an ongoing stream of such schemes and even this week, another, involving over $300M going missing to victim investors. The sums just get bigger.


The Serious Fraud Office here advises anyone offering something that sounds too good to be true, that it almost certainly is untrue.


Reading my recent post where I talk about a daily compounding +10% bank rate, has alerted me that I may be  put me on a suspect list - lol.


Perhaps some simple qualification and explanations are in order.


The principle of which I speak is true. The rate of return is available on a daily average of returns. It does not mean the player will win all sessions.


However we are NOT dealing with millions or hundreds of thousands of dollars. We are not at this level and we are not because we do not want to destroy the source of our gain.


Every casino will have a unique alert limit, and certainly a daily profit in excess of $10,000 would be tempting attention whether a boutique outfit or even a mega Vegas unit, especially on sequential days.


My suggestion is to simply run a trendline per casino for say 2 weeks, or 7-10 days in some cases, then move on. Your 'home ' casino you particularly do not want to upset.


Consider the annual income of professional blackjack players, and this is documented on several websites. Consider professional poker players. Consider professional golfers and tennis players.  Research their incomes and their money management details where accessible.


In due course research your own money manager, but for good reason that may be best if it is you.


Keep it simple and keep it moving.

[XXVV]

After the success of the 5 number bet, I wondered whether similar principles could be applied to 9 numbers.


Indeed they can.


On first trials using a 9 number set of numbers ( say the zero section) I have tested 1500 spins and the end result is a steadily rising +350 units.  Flat staking but with caution that there can be reversals and false signals to attack and/ or pause.


My advice is to have a simple 6 step stop loss, and take profit after three consecutive wins. There are many successful sessions so when in an adverse one, stop after say two losses of stop loss. End the session. Move on.


The moving sum is the powerful tool to apply.


You can perhaps imagine how the nine number sets could be derived ( say wheel sections or table sections) and perhaps how they can also be run in tandem.


Lots of opportunities unfold for short term edge availability.


Best
XXVV

[catalyst]

My advice is to have a simple 6 step stop-loss, and take profit after three consecutive wins. There are many successful sessions so when in an adverse one, stop after say two losses of stop-loss. End the session. Move on.

  Dear Richard

I appreciate your analytical pesentation of various topics in the forum which is very satisfying to me specially those related to sectors and m/a. your analysis of cluster theory in applicable format in sector bet  remain an issue for me to pursue deeply as i have got a glimse only from the forum. 

if you please kindly send me some materials related to it to quench my thirst.

also please, if you can drop few lines regarding the 'experiences' of  required bankroll and its management, would be greatly appreciated.

grateful to you.
thanks a lot.

catalyst

N.B: this message is already sent to your email address. 

[XXVV]

@catalyst


thanks for your comments. I will go into more detail privately but can offer a few more overlay suggestions, quite simple to add to the efficiency of the simple and practical moving sum bet on 9 numbers.


This bet has different characteristics of course from the 5 number bet and the only real way to establish this knowledge is to do testing using distribution charts based on real live action results- not simulations.


I can save you some trouble by suggesting two further overalys to add for the 9 number bet anyway.


First ensure that if you get ahead by a double win, say +18 then +27 ( ie +45) and then you encounter a lengthy passage and have to spend say 4 x 9 getting nowhere. Then stop and take net profit at +9.


As you also have been advised to stop after 3 wins, that could be net +27 through to net +81.


Also if you achieve however quickly +27 and +27, take those two and close the mini session.


Or if you must carry on, do so at lesser unit value so as to make you win the most efficient possible but do not give back through Ecart swing, hard won profit.


Here is an example from a recent live game and it offers dramatic profit, as many do, so you can form your own conclusions. However adding a string of net profits is very satisfying, and more than makes up for the occasional session where you are stopped out twice in a row (-108 at worst).


You can see I am playing the 9 number bet just 6 times max then stop loss.


here is the dream example
.... and note I am playing the nine numbers centred around zero in this instance


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15 *
31
23
13
19 *
22
7
27
3 *
17
2
17
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31
30
22
27
34
25
8
27
8
10
33
34
0  *
24
27
32 *
7
11
15 *
0 *
27
9
0 *
8
32 *
35*
6
12 *
3 *
33
33
4 *
10
10
32 *
28
23
27
18
27
22
13
14
34
18
27
24
18
8
6
6
35 *
11
19 *
26*
23
32 *
35 *
28
8
15 *
23
11
26 *
34
23
24
0 *
23
22
26 *
32 *
27
1
18
7
19 *
22
2
17
18
0 *
5
33
2
33
30
8
33
35 *
12 *
1
4 *
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I will post the key to unlock those opportunities tomorrow


In the meantime
Best
XXVV

[XXVV]

Here is the code that transforms and unlocks the potential riches from the prior sequence - truly a very favourable series.


targetting 9 number set as marked...


2
4
4    10
17  25
3    24 signal to attack
3    23 hit and attack  +9
1      7 hit and attack  +27
3      7 hit and attack  +9
2      6 hit and attack  +18
1      5 hit and attack  +27
2      5 hit and attack  +18
1      4 hit and attack  +27
3      6 hit and stop     +9
3      7 pause
17  23 pause
2    22 attack
1    20 hit and attack  +27
2      5 hit and attack  +18
1      4 hit and attack  +27
3      6 hit and wait     +9
3      7 wait
4    10 wait
3    10 attack
1      8 attack              +27
5      9 wait                 -9
5    11 wait
8    18 wait
1    14 attack
2                                +18


enough


+251 units in 107 spins  - one of the best sets played live


XXVV

[XXVV]

In summary I have demonstrated in recent weeks how a simple core bet, say for example one target number, when accompanied by say from one, two or four neighbours on either side ( wheel position European Wheel), managed with say a moving sum trigger, and suitable 'overlay' controls, can be remarkably successful.


Ideally a large test sample of live data can be tested and the distribution of wins/ hits can be mapped so as to measure some 'bet characteristics'.


For each variation in bet extent ( number of targets) there will a change and the best solutions will be the most efficient and effective behaviour zone. This will tell you when to stop loss for example.


More on all this soon.


Best
XXVV

[XXVV]

Adding to that opportunity for testing study and analysis, the various 'overlay' measures can be applied and the outcomes, differences in performance, can be measured over large samples, ideally 50,000 spins plus.


For example an overlay I would now further add is to stop a mini-session ( say 20-30 spin duration often) after a first stop-loss, rather than two stop losses.


It is an obvious smaller net loss, so easier to recover, but I have noticed with increasing testing that successful micro sessions, achieving three consecutive wins at least, start strongly.


The weaker starts often result in slow of modest loss, so best to stay clear. At the first sign of trouble steer clear, and an accurate 'reading' of a session is necessary, and the elimination of false signals is essential.


The ratio of strong starts to weaker starts needs to measured, but at this stage I see the ratio as a possible additional example of 80/20. Most are strong starts, but the few weak ones leading to twin loss (if not stopped prior) can really undermine all the great growth flat staking.


By reducing the stop-loss debit then the overall bet efficiency will improve.


At this stage we are dealing with the most basic of controls and influence on bet efficiency. Multiples of 1000 spin samples will need to be tested to measure the positive skew brought on by the moving sum filter.


There are other, probably stronger, ways of influencing the outcomes consistently, and these will be measured by live spin trials and a moving window of review of play, say day by day or week by week.


The moving window can compare expectation against actual outcomes.


Best
XXVV

[XXVV]

There are several ideas I want to develop very soon on this thread and the other threads in variations.


Bet efficiency is our goal and every way we can notch further efficiency we can negate, then gradually introduce our own edge over the house.


This does not mean that you will win every session.


My personal ratio is about 80%, and from that I try to compound a string of winning sessions.


This will be further explained very soon but first here is significant seed thought where we can achieve better results ( efficiency increase  being net gain in relation between higher returns with less expenditure).


I track, amongst other things 3 vertical columns from ongoing results measuring groups of 9 numbers in cluster theory.


I measure wheel sections, finales and streets ( from many others available).


When two out of these three provide a signal to attack, I then bet with higher likelihood of success.


Sometimes three align and thats even better.


More on this soon.


What I propose to do in coming days is to outline some proven methodologies which will in due course be published in the new web site being developed. The essence of my work is to help us all win more often and more regularly, avoiding risk behaviour such as 'gambling'.


Best XXVV

[XXVV]

Greetings


Apologies for delay and also to the Moderator as I have had a technical issue with a server while in one location and all access to this site was blocked, possibly because of a technical error/ default some weeks back.


Am delighted to have this access clear now as am operating from my own facilities which screen out server errors.


So will be writing fully in coming days and fresh news on personal progress and goals.


Best


XXVV

[Skakus]

Hello XV,

Good on you for coming back and kicking on.

Just wondering, are you still "experimenting ideas for pro play", or have you settled on a particular modus operandi?

Happy festive season.

[XXVV]

Good Question and thanks.


Well, the answer is both kicking on with fresh exploration but also having found a fantastic and effective three fold strategy ( plus) spread to form 'trap bets'.


I have alluded a bit on this already but will enlarge detail step by step.


Basic warm number targets + overlays of trending clusters of streets/ sixlines, and or finales/ and or wheel section(s).


Then overlaying on top of this a 'focus strategy' which I will be outlining and providing examples for very soon also.


Always we search for greater 'efficiency' of bets, and smarter bets and now we can add, through direct testing on large samples, some remarkable ideas such as 'phase play', and improvements through triggers such as the very simple start/ stop nine number 'rolling sum' concept.


Now these techniques do not work every time, but more often than not, and at certain times, can work in concert, to give remarkable acceleration to earnings.


At other times you do well to limit the damage, and play with patience and restraint.


In order to answer critics who may say this is all very well but very vague, I will offer specific examples regularly over the coming month, here and elsewhere.


My goal is to assist us all.


Recall what I recently stated. When we achieve three consecutive coups using a trap bet with suitable loading, then this is a fantastic place/time to pause and take your profit! Its all to do with timing.


So the answers actually can be simple, but it is simplicity that has to be re-discovered after going through vast detail.


Best


XXVV