4 Sectors of the wheel

[catalyst]

hi carsch
your system is indeed a good one.
could you please identify the largest drawdown in flatbetting, so that we can guess the appropriate bankroll.
thanks

[Carsch]

Hi carsch
your system is indeed a good one.
could you please identify the largest drawdown in flatbetting, so that we can guess the appropriate bankroll.
thanks

I checked with the 1,000-spin test I did, the most I was down at one time (flatbetting) was something close to 45 losses (that included a 17 straight losses I had).

That's 45x8= 360 units
or 45x9= 405 units (if playing 9 numbers)

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These are my results for the 1,000 spins (american wheel....it's tougher):

W: +684 units flat bets
W: +1,244 with progression (one bust with 16 straight losses)

[ausjase]

have you tested it on european wheel instead of american

[catalyst]

Hi carsch
thanks for your efforts.
do you like to consider your progression instead of flatbet? in this case Attila's progression once suggested by Victor could be useful. for your convenience i just paste it here:

"This money management is named after a Spanish-speaking player. He explained his belief that with the right progression any bet selection can become profitable.

Atila himself used it with 9 numbers. We wonââ,¬â,,¢t enter into the selection of those numbers, it can be any 9-number group according to him, although he said to have once used numbers 9-12-15-18-21-24-27-30 and 33, but in his own words, -for him- bet selection doesnââ,¬â,,¢t matter too much.

The basic layout for the 9 numbers goes this way:
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1On a lose, then only 1 number gets a rise, making it:
2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1

If another lose, then another number gets risen, while keeping the former one rose:
2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1

Always on a lose, the next number rises, one at a time.
2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2

When you finish rising this line with 2ââ,¬â,,¢s, then you move to the 3ââ,¬â,,¢s.

3.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2

The formula is constant:

3.3.2.2.2.2.2.2.2

Term by term. +1 on a lose.

3.3.3.2.2.2.2.2.2
3.3.3.3.2.2.2.2.2
3.3.3.3.3.2.2.2.2
3.3.3.3.3.3.2.2.2
3.3.3.3.3.3.3.2.2
3.3.3.3.3.3.3.3.3

And the process keeps on with 4

4.3.3.3.3.3.3.3.3
4.4.3.3.3.3.3.3.3
4.4.4.3.3.3.3.3.3
4.4.4.4.3.3.3.3.3
4.4.4.4.4.3.3.3.3
4.4.4.4.4.4.3.3.3
4.4.4.4.4.4.4.3.3
4.4.4.4.4.4.4.4.4

Well, you should have it learned by now. After 4, it continues with 5 for the first term. And so on. Iââ,¬â,,¢ll make 5ââ,¬â,,¢s as last example:

5.4.4.4.4.4.4.4.4
5.5.4.4.4.4.4.4.4
5.5.4.4.4.4.4.4.4
5.5.5.4.4.4.4.4.4
5.5.5.5.4.4.4.4.4
5.5.5.5.5.4.4.4.4
5.5.5.5.5.5.4.4.4
5.5.5.5.5.5.5.4.4
5.5.5.5.5.5.5.5.5

I think it is enough in the example field for comprehension.


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Observations originally given:

-      Exposition in terms of units can be elevated, but if you want to win at the casino you must play with the right weapons, and one of them is to have enough bank to pull out from the systemââ,¬â,,¢s expected drawdown.
-      A minimum of 500 units as bank.
-      Win target between +50 to +100.
-      When there is a win and you are close to previous high, reset. (I.e. you get a hit and leave -10 or less units below, you go to 1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1).
-      Sometimes it is advisable to quit the session if after several tries and experiencing several drawdowns you simply canââ,¬â,,¢t get your win target done for the day.


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This is the original ATILA Money management system.

Feel free to make your own tweaks.

Best regards from a friend,
Victor."

hope it will be useful
thanks
catalyst

[Carsch]

Have you tested it on european wheel instead of american

Yep! I get better results playing the europen wheel.

[Carsch]

Thanks Catalyst. I'll look at it. With this system, i'd rather use a progression.

[Carsch]

Here is another test I just did for the European wheel. Result is for ftatbet only.

T2
Date: 2011-02-21

Betting on 9 numbers per spin
53 WINS: +1431
137 LOSSES: -1233
PROFIT: +198

Betting on 8 numbers per spin
50 Wins: +1400
140 Losses: -1220
Profit: +280

********* Gewinnzahlen ********
30
34L
6W                            
9L
30W
5L
1L
31L
11W
13W
21L
10W
30W
27W
4L
25L
4L
24L
0L
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21L
31L
7W
5L
29W
29W
1L
27L
17L
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34L
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6L
18L
25L
11L
27L
28L
12L
1W
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31W
30L
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29L
7L
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28L
26L
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32W
19W
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0L
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30L
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12W
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23L
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34L
30L
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30L
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33L
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35L
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32L
6L
30L
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32W
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36L
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0L
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25W
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33L
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6L
12W
30L
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30L
34L
16L
32L
0L
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34L
30W
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36W
25L
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27W
27W
2L
34L
23W
36W
20L
32L
18L
33L
25L
28L
31L
27L
18W
22W
10L
23L
17L
7W
26W
35W
35W
1L
28W
8L
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3W
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36L
12W
4L
30L
23L
25L
27L
32L
13L
7L
28L
20W
35L
1W
20W

36L
22L
4L
29L
7L
6L

[ausjase]

how do you choose what number 2 leave out?? and correct me if im wrong but the only time u change sectors is if you go 6 spins without a win then u swap 2 the sector that has hit the furthest back ?

[catalyst]

I checked with the 1,000-spin test I did, the most I was down at one time (flatbetting) was something close to 45 losses (that included a 17 straight losses I had).

That's 45x8= 360 units
or 45x9= 405 units (if playing 9 numbers)

-----------------------------------
These are my results for the 1,000 spins (american wheel....it's tougher):

W: +684 units flat bets
W: +1,244 with progression (one bust with 16 straight losses)

hi carsch
you mentioned 405 units lost in flatbetting which include also a straight 16 times losses. so is it your total loss at the end of 1000 spins or during your betting somewhere it went down to cut your bankroll to be -405 units (eg. if your bankroll is 500 units, then your balance is only 95 units in the midst of your 1000 spins)? then please suggest your thoughts regarding bankroll requirement for flatbetting.

as you suggested in your 1st post that your progression require 312 units. do you still suggest that amount through your experiences in travelling through blackhole?

your comments in both cases are much appreciated.
thanks
catalyst

[Carsch]

How do you choose what number 2 leave out??

I leave out the number belonging to the Sleeping Dozen, and the sleeping Col.

So let's say we have

8
13
32 <--------- last spun number

From here we know that the sleeping Doz is the first Dozen (1/12)
and the sleeping Column is the 3rd Col (3/36)

Thus you'd eliminate the number (only one in case you have 2 numbers) that belongs to the first Dozen and also belongs to the 3rd Column.

and correct me if I'm wrong but the only time you change sectors is if you go 6 spins without a win then you swap 2 the sector that has hit the furthest back ?

That's correct.

[Carsch]

hi carsch
you mentioned 405 units lost in flatbetting which include also a straight 16 times losses. so is it your total loss at the end of 1000 spins

That was the highest i was down throughout the 1000 spins.

or during your betting somewhere it went down to cut your bankroll to be -405 units (e.g.. if your bankroll is 500 units, then your balance is only 95 units in the midst of your 1000 spins)?

Yep!

then please suggest your thoughts regarding bankroll requirement for flatbetting.

Well, the drawdown was from a tough test i'd say (there were so many zeros). I don't know how much further one could lose. If i'd guess, i'd say 500 units?

as you suggested in your 1st post that your progression require 312 units. do you still suggest that amount through your experiences in travelling through blackhole?

If one is using the progression and wishes to have a stop loss, then maybe 312 units would do it. If not, one could probably double that in case one encounters 16 losses right from the beginning of the game.

[Carsch]

I want to make a note here.

When choosing the sector that have hit the least, I am thinking to stop playing that sector if it does not hit for something like 10 consecutive times. This because i've seen sectors not hitting for 25 consecutive times.

However, since we're not always playing the sector that hit the least, our chances to stumble upon that one sector that will not hit for a very long time will minimize. But better be cautious and stop betting on that sector after 10 or so consecutive losses.

[albalaha]

Dear carsch,
        I have personally faced a very big loss on a sleeper sector of 9 consecutive numbers on the wheel for 55 times. Do not bet sleepers, go opposit and earn from streaks while being safe from sleepers.

[Carsch]

Dear carsch,
        I have personally faced a very big loss on a sleeper sector of 9 consecutive numbers on the wheel for 55 times. Do not bet sleepers, go opposit and earn from streaks while being safe from sleepers.

I believe that, Albalah. I'm actually looking for ways to make this system safer. Any ideas are welcome. But then, a stop loss could help here as i'm sure one could profit more often than one could lose one's bankroll.

Now, i must be out of my mind, or else, i think i stumbled upon a gold mine system idea. I just started testing and on the 56th spin i'm already up 480 units betting on 8 numbers (nothing to do with numbers from the wheel layout). I think i'm gonna celebrate without any further testing...............i'll then finish testing later on. The feeling right now is too good to not want to celebrate. LOL 

[Carsch]

Dear carsch,
        I have personally faced a very big loss on a sleeper sector of 9 consecutive numbers on the wheel for 55 times. Do not bet sleepers, go opposit and earn from streaks while being safe from sleepers.

By the way, Albalaha; was that from playing on a real wheel or was it from an RGN?