MATRIX VERTICAL *30 LIVE ATTACK*

[ZigZag]

Hi guys.  .  .  new here and this thread caught my eye.    I've read the whole thing.    Could one of you tell me if I am understanding this correctly?

Write down the dozen hit beginning left to right on a 3x10 matrix.    The trigger is the first dozen to vertically hit three consecutive times.    After the trigger bet against the next double to become a triple.  

Couple questions.  .  .  If hit on the first do you reset matrix or play out all 30 spins?  What is the max number of loss before starting again?

Also what wheel is this on euro or american?

Hi Alfgard welcome  

Your first trigger becomes the start of your 30 spins matrix. If you hit within the matrix you can wait to see if there is another trigger. About half the time you will usualy get 2 triggers within the 30. You don't reset the matrix so long as your within the 30 spin rule.

233
122
333
323
113 ----Trigger 3rd doz + start of 30 spin matrix
233
211
223 ----Win 2nd doz Now continue tracking
132
232
122 ----Trigger
223
132 ----Win 2nd doz  Note: If you lose here near bottom of matrix just continue until win
231 ---End session complets 30 spins Take 10 min break then input last 10 spins on marquee

I use a 3 stage recovery progression 1-1 2-2 7-7 + 0 but John and others use a progression where you win on each level 1-1 3-3 9-9, but I have smaller bankroll   I have just started to use Scoobys way with betting the doubles with smaller chips while waiting for triggers as you get a lot of doubles that don't form a trebles inbetween  

[Johnlegend]

Good evening people ive been VERY busy playing MATRIX VERTICAL 3. And testing something else looking very special. Ive now completed 400 games and had another loss. This is the first time the strikerate has dropped below 100/1 although only just. OKAY here are the numbers.

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 400
TOTAL GAMES WON 396
TOTAL GAMES LOST 4
CURRENT BALANCE 329 POINTS +
CURRENT STRIKERATE 99/1

STEP 1 WINS 222
STEP 2 WINS 131
STEP 3 WINS 43--LOSSES 4

400 hundred games is only a fraction of what i need to get an idea of this methods average strikerate. One thing thats becoming clear though there are healthy gaps between losses. Next update after 450 games completed...

[ZigZag]

Thanks for the update John. Still brilliant strike rate. 

Hope as you advised to play only a few sessions a day with large chips once i build up some banks 

[alfgard]

Thank you ZigZag for that explanation!

[ZigZag]

I have now gone back to the original 3 step progression

After looking at Johns strikerate my recovery progression is just not worth it.

I'm still a newbie 

Only difference is i cover zero on step 2 and 3

If lose to zero on step 1 i take the loss, retrack and start at level 1-1 bets

Zero loves me 

[Johnlegend]

Thanks for the update John. Still brilliant strike rate.  

Hope as you advised to play only a few sessions a day with large chips once I build up some banks  

Hi ZIG ZAG, yes I'm hoping for something the right side of 50/1 longterm or at least two banks to every bank lost, my winning streaks have been impressive especially the first one 172, and the most recent one 56. This would give me the confidence to double even treble my progression for ten games directly after a loss if it maintains for faster recovery.

Also I've been flat betting every double to not become a treble with fair results. What tends to happen is you get fields of doubles, 11 in a row being the longest I've recorded so far followed by two or three trebles then a shorter gap before trebles start forming again. If I take a 100 spin sample we are looking at an average strikerate somewhere in the region of 60% for doubles, with 67% being about break even point to level stakes. We would need some progression for this to work. On a positive note my sessions have shown nothing longer than five consecutive trips. And on a live wheel vertical dozens don't go beyond quads very often. There's food for thought here.

[Post]

Isnt it a good idea then to wait for two trips as a trigger since you didn't saw a single 6 treble ?

[Johnlegend]

Isnt it a good idea then to wait for two trips as a trigger since you didn't saw a single 6 treble ?

If you wanted a virtual HOLY GRAIL YES POST. On a live wheel you get TRUE RANDOM. Believe me theres a world of difference between a live wheel and an RNG. The law of averages behaves like a DREAM on a live wheel as it should. I will give you a sample of my play today to illustrate my point.

311
113
223
131
222
111
332
132
331--TRIGGER COLUMN 2 DOZ 3--WIN COLUMN 3 DOZ 2
213
133
313--TRIGGER COLUMN 3 DOZ 3
213
311--STEP 1 LOST--COLUMN 2 DOZ 1
322
213--WIN COLUMN 1 DOZ 3

Nothing out of the ordinary for the MATRIX 3 RESULTS. But look at the first column, you have a line of 13 unmatched dozens. That will rarely if ever happen on an RNG. True random within the matrixes works so beautifully. And balances out with the law of averages. Proof of the pudding is how long I can go without even getting a 4 trip. and I have never seen a 6 trip yet. On an RNG I see 4 trips way too often and have seen 2 6 trips aswell.

[ZigZag]

Hi John i was reading your post in template 7

Heres a simple example if you wrote down a set pattern like this for dozens 313313
Now you wrote down random spins in rows of six directly under that pattern

Matrix 3 would be

313 -----Trigger
       <--- Now bet against 313

maybe using set triggers such as
121
131
212
232
313
323

I will have a look at a 1000 spins over weekend to see if this could be profitable

[Johnlegend]

Hi John I was reading your post in template 7

Matrix 3 would be

313 -----Trigger
       <--- Now bet against 313

maybe using set triggers such as
121
131
212
232
313
323

I will have a look at a 1000 spins over weekend to see if this could be profitable

Hi Zig Zag with a pattern like 313 you would average a strikerate of about 30/1 to cover all three spins would take 26 units. But I have seen this pattern twice in a row then not again for 50 lines thats the nature of true random.



                                             

[ZigZag]

Hi Zig Zag with a pattern like 313 you would average a strikerate of about 30/1 to cover all three spins would take 26 units. But I have seen this pattern twice in a row then not again for 50 lines that's the nature of true random.

Cheers John i will continue to play original way then. 

[Johnlegend]

Good evening people, It is now getting to a point with this method where I have absolute confidence in it ON A LIVE WHEEL (LETS MAKE THAT CLEAR) After 454 completed games it is maintaining a very impressive consistency, with still just four lost progressions of 26 POINTS. Here are the latest results...

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 454
TOTAL GAMES WON 450
TOTAL GAMES LOST 4
CURRENT BALANCE 383 POINTS PLUS
CURRENT STRIKERATE 150/1

STEP 1 WINS=249
STEP 2 WINS=150
STEP 3 WINS=51--LOSSES=4


NEXT UPDATE Around the 500 game mark...

[Twisteruk]

Good evening people, It is now getting to a point with this method where I have absolute confidence in it ON A LIVE WHEEL (LETS MAKE THAT CLEAR) After 454 completed games it is maintaining a very impressive consistency, with still just four lost progressions of 26 POINTS. Here are the latest results...

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 454
TOTAL GAMES WON 450
TOTAL GAMES LOST 4
CURRENT BALANCE 383 POINTS PLUS
CURRENT STRIKERATE 150/1

STEP 1 WINS=249
STEP 2 WINS=150
STEP 3 WINS=51--LOSSES=4


NEXT UPDATE Around the 500 game mark...

Nice one John  !


Very impressive 

[Post]

how do you play now john legend ? you wait for a triple and bet that there wont form 4 in a row?

[Johnlegend]

How do you play now john legend ? you wait for a triple and bet that there wont form 4 in a row?

Hi post, no I wait for a treble trigger then bet the following double/s don't become trebles. On an RNG this wouldnt hold up as you don't get true random you need the quad version. But on an online live wheel it works beautifully. that's how you quickly see the difference between Rngs and true random.