Second Last for D/C

[Hermes]

SECOND LAST ROULETTE SYSTEM

Simple and effective system for playing one dozen or column.
You bet always the second last dozen or column. Wait for 2 different D/C before bet decision. For example if came 2nd dozen (24) then 3rd dozen (32) the next bet would be 2nd dozen.
The proposal progression Dââ,¬â,,¢Alembert for one D/C : Win +1 unit; 3 Losses -1 unit; showed very suitable and flexible for this game. 
Short example of play:
19
17
21
34     next spin bet 1 unit on 2nd dozen
7       next spin bet 1 unit on 3rd dozen
11     next spin bet 1 unit on 3rd dozen
36     won- next spin bet 2 units on 1st dozen
35     next spin bet 2 units on 1st dozen
4       won- next spin bet 3 units on 3rd dozen
28     won- next spin bet 4 units on 1st dozen
29    next spin bet 4 units on 1st dozen
15     next spin bet 4 units on 3rd dozen
8       next spin bet 3 units on 2nd dozen
16     won- next spin bet 4 units on 1st dozen
16     next spin bet 4 units on 1st dozen
1       won- next spin bet 5 units on 2nd dozen
27     next spin bet 6 units on 1st dozen
7       won- next spin bet 7 units on 3rd dozen and so onââ,¬Â¦

We normally donââ,¬â,,¢t bet that aggressive Dââ,¬â,,¢Alembert but have 2 other choices:
A/ Economical: every time we get + (plus) result reset to 1 unit.
B/ Common sense: every time we get +10 units reset to 1 unit.

I am looking for constructive improvement from you experienced gamblers.

Cheers Hermes

[Kattila]

Hi  Hermes, you know I already have some experience with this(and similars methods)
thanks to you.  Until now I only can add to this one a few  things:

When start session wait one virtual W, then start to bet.
When hit L1L2L3L1L2L3  stop, wait virtual  W and  bet again (use the next progr. level)
Also when bet high (ex: 8 units on doz) and  hit L1L2L3WL1L2L3   stop ,wait virtual W...


D= dozen



17  virtual play
23
34  bet D2
32  L1  bet D2
22  W   bet D3/1u   Start Real Play
5    L1 -1   bet D2/1u
22  W  +1  bet D1/2u    
18  L1  -1  bet  D1/2u
1    W  +3  ...  D2/3u
7    L1   0     D2/3u
9    L2  -3     D2/3u
16  W  +3     D1/4u
21  L1  -1     D1/4u
26  L2  -5     D2/4u
22  W  +3     D3/5u
34  W  +13    D2/1u  Reset
9    L1  +12    D3/1u
13  L2  +11    D1/1u
23  L3  +10    D1/1u
9    W  +12    D2/2u
29  L1  +10    D1/2u
14  L2  +8      D3/2u
23  L3  +6      D3/1u
8    L1  +5      D2/1u
7    L2  +4      D2/1u
15  W  +6      D1/2u
30  L1  +4      D2/2u
31  L2  +2      D2/2u
6    L3    0      D3/ 1u
35  W   +2     D1/2u
1    W   +6     D3/3u  
29  W  +12    D1/4u
10  w  +20     D3/1u  Reset
...and so on....

[Kattila]

The enemys are the chops 31223123....and the repeat of the same
dozen  3211111332....this is why i say to stop after L1L2L3L1L2L3...
what do you think Hermes ?

[Hermes]

balint suggested the same approach like you kattila you must be twins, ha , ha, ha...
We could apply also the WL strategy. But we could bet it also this way.
1D 2D 3D
X
     X
X
     X
          X
     X
          X      A
X
          X
X     
          X
X
          X
X
----------------------------
X
X 
X               B
X   
------------------------------
X   
     X
          X     C
X
     X
-----------------------------
We profit at A formation but not at B or C. If one D/C sleeps we get mostly formation A and less B.
Other possibility would be to bet zick zacks and doubles but when triple shows up stop and wait for different D/C. Eg:
1D 2D 3D
X
      X            next bet 1st D 1u.
X                  won- next bet 2D 2u.  +2
X                  lost- next bet 2D 2u.     0
      X            won- next bet 1D 1u.  +4 reset
X                  won- next bet 2D 1u.  +2
X                  lost- next bet  2D 1u.  +1
X                  lost- next bet 2D  1u.    0
?    ?    ?       Stop and wait for diff. D/C!

Doubles come very often but triples not so often that's why we could bet against doubles also. Sometimes comes even 10 doubles before one longer streak.
Cheers Hermes

[Kattila]

Yes Hermes, * identical twins*    

And  right,  when one dozen sleeps  we get mostly formation A,
and good advice to wait  different  D/C  after three same D/C.


another session:

Bet the second last
+1 at W/ at 3LLLs -1  (after  L1 and L2 bet same units)
reset at new ( you own) profit
when 3 same D/C wait different D/C
when  hit  twice L1L2L3 stop wait virtual W, bet next progr. step


27
22  bet D3/1u
1    L1  -1   bet D2/1u
27  L2  -2   D1/1u
26  L3  -3   D1/1u
1    W  -1    D3/2u
35  W  +3   D1/2u
12  W  +7   D3/1u  reset
0    L1  +6   D1/1u
25  L2  +5   D1/1u
30  L3  +4   D1/1u
10  W  +6    D3/2u
16  L1  +4   D1/2u
24  L2  +2   D1/2u
12  W  +6    D2/3u
13  W  +12  D1/1u  reset
36  L1  +11  D2/1u
20  W  +13   D3/2u
19  L1  +11  D3/2u
9    L2  +9    D2/2u
34  L3  +7    D1/1u
20  L1  +6    D3/1u
9    L2  +5    D2/1u
9    L3  +4    wait  virtual W (because twice L1L2L3)
5
31
22
5
15  W(virtual)  trigger  bet D1/2u
18  L1  +2    D1/2u
19  L2   0     wait  different D (because hit 3 times D2)
32          bet D2/2u
31  L1  -2     D2/2u
16  W  +2     D3/3u
29  W  +8     D2/4u
7    L1  +4     D3/4u
1    L2    0     D3/4u
28  W  +8     D1/5u
4    W  +18   D3/1u    reset
9    L1  +17   D3/1u
5    L2  +16   wait  diff. D ,because  hit 3 times D1
20  bet          D1/1u
15  L1  +15   D1/1u
5    W  +17    D2/2u
19  W  +21    D1/3u
20  L1  +18   D1/3u
1    W  +24    D2/1u    reset
1    L1  +23    D2/1u
10  L2  +22    wait  diff.  D
10  
12
11
4
15  bet          D1/1u
5    W  +24    D2/2u
21  W  +28    D1/3u
32  L1  +25    D2/3u
31  L2  +22    D2/3u
2    L3  +19    D3/2u
30  W  +23     D1/3u
30  L1  +20    D1/3u
20  L2  +17    D3/3u
27  W  +23    D2/4u
16  W  +31     D3/1u    reset
10  L1  +30    D2/1u
33  L2  +29    D1/1u
14  L3  +28    D3/1u
22  L1  +27    D3/1u
30  L2  +26    D2/1u
16  W  +28     D3/2u
11  L1  +26    D2/2u
21  W  +30     D1/3u
9    W  +36     D2/4u
10  L1  +32     D2/4u
14  W  +40     D1/1u    reset
29  L1  +39     D2/1u
24  W  +41     D3/2u
26  W  +45     D2/3u
14  W  +51     D3/1u   reset
11  L1  +50    D2/1u
30  L2  +49    D1/1u
1    W  +51     D3/2u
15  L1  +49    D1/2u
10  W  +53     D2/3u
4    L1  +50    D2/3u
10  L2  +47    wait diff.  D
11
22  bet          D1/3u
11  W  +53    D2/4u
15  W  +61    D1/1u    reset
33  L1  +60    

end  session

And if we use Lw s ?
Play virtual  and bet only after LL and keep bet for Ws
until hit L1L2L3, stop, now wait virtual  WLL   and bet again.
I will try.

[Hermes]

Balint you are genius! You can read my thoughts! My last version is bet after LL, if streak wait for different D/C, almost unbeatable! Mostly the 3rd spin is second last. Bingo! Now we have to find the best suitable progression for it.
Other possibility would be to use progression from Golden Roulette: Reset to one unit at +12 or -6 units.
Hermes

[Kattila]

I will try with that Golden R.  progression  next days.
Now  see  session  with trigger LL and progrs.  +1 at W/ 3LLLs -1




Bet the Second last
Trigger   LL  , at L1L2L3L4L5L6 stop  wait new trigger LL, and bet next progr. step(up)
Progression  +1 at W / at 3Ls -1  ( after L1 and L2  bet same).
Reset at 1u  when  new profit (Ex:  +5 or +10 )
Also reset when recover from (Ex: -10 ) to break even or + something (Ex: +5)
Important:
Real play start only when  in plus ( ex: +1)






21  
3    
24  W  
33  L
3    L  trigger bet D3/1u
26  W  +2     D1/2u
6    W  +6     D3/3u
35  W  +12   D1/1u  reset
0    L1  +11   D1/1u
16  L2  +10   D3/1u
11  L3  +9     D2/1u
10  L4  +8     D2/1u
31  L5  +7     D1/1u
1    W  +9     D3/2u
17  L1  +7    D1/2u
23  L2  +5     D1/2u
20  L3  +3     D1/1u
26  L4  +2      D2/1u
7    L5  +1      D3/1u
31  W  +3       D1/2u
14  L1  +1      D3/2u
12  L2  -1       D2/2u  
16  W  +3       D1/3u
10  W  +9       D2/1u  reset
26  L1  +8      D1/1u
15  L2  +7      D3/1u
20  L3  +6       D3/1u
35  W  +8       D2/2u
9    L1  +6       D3/2u
0    L2  +4       D3/2u
29  W  +8       D1/3u
23  L1  +5       D3/3u
20  L2  +2       D3/3u
35  W  +8       D2/4u  
5    L1  +4       D3/4u
23  L2    0       D1/4u
7    W  +8       D2/5u
6    L1  +3       D2/5u
19  W  +13      D1/1u  reset
34  L1  +12     D2/1u
9    L2  +11     D3/1u
29  W  +13     D1/2u
3    W  +17     D3/3u
7    L1  +14     D3/3u
14  L2  +11     D1/3u
33  L3  +8       D2/2u
33  L4  +6       D2/2u
8    L5  +4       D3/2u
6    L6  +2       wait
28  W
28  L
22  L  trigger  bet D3/3u
33  W  +8       D2/4u
19  W  +16      D3/5u
26  W  +26      D2/1u   reset
16  W  +28      D3/1u
20  L1  +27     D3/1u
7    L2  +26     D2/1u
10  L3  +25     D2/1u
29  L4  +24     D1/1u
2    W  +26     D3/2u
31  W  +30     D1/3u
5    W  +36     D3/1u  reset
17  L1  +35     D1/1u
31  L2  +34     D2/1u
36  L3  +33     D2/1u
18  W  +35     D3/2u
20  L1  +32     D3/2u
25  W  +36      D2/3u
14  W  +42      D3/1u  reset
29  W  +44      D2/2u
16  W  +48      D3/1u  reset
20  L1  +47      D3/1u
16  L2  +46      D3/1u
32  W  +48       D2/2u
36  L1  +46      D2/2u
30  L2  +44      D2/2u
22  W  +48       D3/3u
25  W  +54       D2/1u  reset
14  W  +53       D3/1u
10  L1  +52       D2/1u
11  L2  +51       D2/1u
10  L3  +50       D2/1u
0    L4  +49       D2/1u
5    L5  +48       D2/1u
1    L6  +47       wait
6    L
26  L  trigger bet D1/2u
27  L1  +49      D1/2u
12  W  +53       D3/3u
13  L1  +50      D1/3u
9    W  +56      D2/1u  reset
 

end  session

[Kattila]

Bet the Second last
Trigger   LL  , at L1L2L3L4L5L6 stop  wait new trigger LL, and bet next progr. step(up)
Progression  +1 at W / at 3Ls -1  ( after L1 and L2  bet same).
Reset at 1u  when  new profit (Ex:  +5 or +10 )
Also reset when recover from (Ex: -10 ) to break even or + something (Ex: +5)

Important:
Real play start only when  in plus ( ex: +1)


23   Virtual play
13  
1    bet D2
22  W  bet D1
29  L          D2
7    L  trigger  bet D3/1u
2    L1  -1    D3/1u
9    L2  -2    D3/1u
34  W   0     D1/2u
23  L1  -2    D3/2u
7    L2  -4    D2/2u
5    L3 -6     D2/1u
15  W  -4     D1/2u
12  W   0     D2/3u
29  L1  -3    D1/3u
25  L2  -6    D1/3u
27  L3  -9    D1/2u
31  L4  -11  D1/2u
13  L5  -13  D3/2u
14  L6  -15  wait
11  L
3    L  trigger bet D2/3u
26  L1  -18   D1/3u
5    W  -12    D3/4u
5    L1  -16    D3/4u
3    L2  -20    D3/4u
28  W  -12     D1/5u
23  L1  -17    D3/5u
3    L2  -22    D2/5u
20  W  -12    D1/6u
32  L1 -18     D2/6u
20  W  -6      D3/7u
11  L1  -13    D2/7u
14  W  +1      D1/1u      Start real play
23  L
35  L  trigger bet D2/1u
16  W  +2     D3/2u
29  W  +6     D2/1u  reset
32  L1  +5    D2/1u
19  W  +7    D3/2u
6    L1  +5    D2/2u
17  W  +9    D1/3u
13  L1  +6    D1/3u
12  W  +12   D2/1u   reset
20  W  +14   D1/2u
8    W  +18   D2/1u   reset
28  L1  +17   D1/1u
26  L2  +16   D1/1u
20  L3  +15    D3/1u
25  W  +17    D2/2u
21  W  +21    D3/1u  reset
12  L1  +20   D2/1u
27  L2  +19   D1/1u
13  L3  +18   D3/1u
10  L4  +17   D2/1u
11  L5  +16   D2/1u
12  L6  +15   wait
10  L
27  L  trigger bet D1/2u
12  W  +19    D3/3u
1    L1  +16    D3/3u
19  L2  +13    D1/3u
13  L3  +10    D1/2u
14  L4  +8      D1/2u
23  L5  +6      D1/2u
19  L6  +4      wait
3    W
15  W
32  L
30  L  trigger bet D2/3u
31  L1  +1   D2/3u
35  L2  -4    D2/3u
19  W  +2   D3/4u
4    L1  -2    D2/4u
1    L2  -6    D2/4u
19  W  +2    D1/5u
10  W  +12   D2/1u   reset
17  W  +14   D1/2u
26  L1  +12   D2/2u
2    L2  +10  D3/2u
34  W  +14

and so on....

[Kattila]

Hermes and all,

what do you think if we use trigger LL and also
use swich  metod D/C  and C/D   ?(see excel file)   
Also this(bet second last) could work  with an negative progression
like fibo 1,1,2,3,5,8......but again  use trigger LL(or LLLL)or trigger ...LLW   and
swich to the other one after 4Ls ?.

cheers

[Hermes]

kattila (atila), the LL strategy could be like that where LL is a trigger to bet:
1D 2D 3D
X
     X
           X   L 1 virtual
X              L 2 virtual
           X   W real bet on second last, if lost bet negative progression on second last with Fibo.

All other recommendations you proposed could work but must be tested first. Some will be more successful some less.
Medo on old VLS forum proposed to bet all 3 D simultaneously. I tested it and it works also. Check it. Only problem is that he couldn't explain his idea easily.
Hermes

[F_LAT_INO]

Kattila (atila), the LL strategy could be like that where LL is a trigger to bet:
1D 2D 3D
X
     X
           X   L 1 virtual
X              L 2 virtual
           X   W real bet on second last, if lost bet negative progression on second last with Fibo.

All other recommendations you proposed could work but must be tested first. Some will be more successful some less.
Medo on old VLS forum proposed to bet all 3 D simultaneously. I tested it and it works also. Check it. Only problem is that he couldn't explain his idea easily.
Hermes

How could he when English is his third lingua,but as long as you got it.

[Hermes]

Kako si Lat Ino? Ha, ha, ha...
Then medo must be a Gaddafi's brother?

[Hermes]

Yes, medo is Gaddafi's son!
When I say bet after LL I mean that:

25
14       bet virtually 3rd next spin
18   L  bet virtually 3rd next spin
7     L  bet real 2nd next spin, because 2L are trigger to bet
31   L  wait for 2Ls as a trigger but use progression.
36
20   L  first virtual loss   
5     L  second virtual loss, next spin bet 2nd 2 units (use Fibs)
17   W back to 1 unit but wait for 2 Ls.
Hermes

[Kattila]

Ok , thanks Hermes , I think I got it now( use interrupted progression):


L
L  trigger  bet 1u
L1  stop/wait
L
W
L
L  trigger bet 2u
L2  stop/wait
L
W
W
L
W
L
L  trigger  bet 3u
W  stop/wait new trigger/back to 1u
L
W
L
L trigger bet 1u
and so on.....

Question :

after  LLL1 comes LL ( so LLL1LL) this two Ls are trigger or has to be
at least one virtual W there like  LLL1LWLL trigger  ?

thanks

[Hermes]

Should be one W between like WLL because it could be even 5 LLLLL in row. Penthouse progression for one D/C looks best! Example: 1-1-1-2-2-2- play 3 times the same units after loss before rise and after win cross winner and 2 more numbers up the column until you are 1u.
1    L
1    L
1x  L
2x  L
2x  W after win cross 2-2-1 and stay only 1-1 next bet 1 unit. It is the best progression for one D/C and also ECs but at ECs 1-1-2-2-3-3 after win you cross only winner and one number! 2 losses rise one unit.
Hermes