Roulette can't be beaten

[MauiSunset]

I play Roulette as a break from playing Black Jack at casinos.   

I play for 1 hour and try to get as many free drinks as possible and play as slow as possible and hope not to get too many Green "0" and "00".   

I believe in the following:

1) Patterns can't be found in random numbers which forecast future outcomes
2) I believe in the Gamblers' Fallacy - the "universe" doesn't need to spin more Reds than Blacks just because the marquee shows all Blacks
3) Progressive betting is no magical answer - it is no better than flat betting
4) 100% of all the "systems" for sale are phony
5) Money management might hold a key to making Roulette profitable - I've seen no proof but that's my gut feeling

I have challenged many folks to demonstrate a 2-hour session played live, and find out just how much money can be made or lost using there system.     Only one person has ever taken up my challenge and the results were a loss - but I do give credit that person who took the challenge.   

That's how I look at Roulette and I'm looking at money management techniques here and elsewhere.   

If I should offend your beliefs in Roulette, I apologize ahead of time.   .   .   .   

[winkel]

Nothing works but you are looking for something.

IsnÃ,´t that a contradiction?

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winkel

[Fripper]

Nothing works but you are looking for something.

IsnÃ,´t that a contradiction?

It is indeed..

[MauiSunset]

Nothing works but you are looking for something. 

IsnÃ,´t that a contradiction?

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winkel

Not at all. 

I don't believe that Roulette can be beaten by science or math - Roulette is just too simple of a game to be beaten - you have so little control of the game to allow systems to work.

I have a gut feeling that money management might make Roulette profitable - it's 100% math; but it's just a gut feeling. 

On that slim chance I've spend time on various chat-rooms looking for money management ideas. 

But voodoo science or math can't be used to beat Roulette.  .  .  . 

[Fripper]

"Roulette can't be beaten"

Is your subject. But you do think that it can be beaten by money management?

If you are interested in new thinking and a very powerful progression than look in this thread.
The possibilities to tweak it is enormous.

link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/beating-roulette-with-math/

Btw, Welcome to the forum

[Colbster]

Maui seems to get great pleasure from telling us about his cheap-skate drinking habit and his inability to find a winning method, despite his degree that he likes to flaunt as why we should believe that we cannot find a method of winning without such great credentials as his.  For instance, he criticized my system because I was just a "home-grown" mathmetician without a degree to match his.  I guess we should stop using Microsoft products, reading books by Tolstoy or Shakespear, or utilize any of Benjamin Franklin's inventions (as he only attended formal school through age 10).  Humans will never run a 4-minute mile, put a man on the moon, or talk to another person anywhere in the world without being tethered to wires.  These are the weak excuses of someone who cannot find an answer on his own, but it is easy to claim the answers never will exist.  Maui - if you want a 2-hour test done, do it yourself.  The people that post on these forums (excepting those who sell their systems) gain nothing from having people believe or disbelive them.  I don't care if you like my system, or if anyone else does.  I like it, it is profitable for me, and I would rather spend two hours playing my system for real money and profit than trying to prove to a bitter person like yourself that it plays as well as I know it does.  2 hours are hard for me to find at any given time - I squeeze in short rounds when I get a chance.  Your constant criticisms might make you feel good, but they certainly don't make you look any smarter.  

[MauiSunset]

"Roulette can't be beaten"

Is your subject.  But you do think that it can be beaten by money management?

If you are interested in new thinking and a very powerful progression than look in this thread. 
The possibilities to tweak it is enormous. 

hxxp: rouletteforum. cc/general-discussion/beating-roulette-with-math/

by the way, Welcome to the forum

Labouchere never has ever made any sense to me - I put down how much I want to make and it simply keeps track of my daydream.

I threw out Labouchere 5 minutes after I first learned of it many decades ago - don't know why anyone uses it.   Breaking it into "chunks" and playing with the numbers is nonsense.

But thank you for the link.

[MauiSunset]

Maui seems to get great pleasure from telling us about his cheap-skate drinking habit and his inability to find a winning method, despite his degree that he likes to flaunt as why we should believe that we cannot find a method of winning without such great credentials as his.    For instance, he criticized my system because I was just a "home-grown" mathmetician without a degree to match his.    I guess we should stop using Microsoft products, reading books by Tolstoy or Shakespear, or utilize any of Benjamin Franklin's inventions (as he only attended formal school through age 10).    Humans will never run a 4-minute mile, put a man on the moon, or talk to another person anywhere in the world without being tethered to wires.    These are the weak excuses of someone who cannot find an answer on his own, but it is easy to claim the answers never will exist.    Maui - if you want a 2-hour test done, do it yourself.    The people that post on these forums (excepting those who sell their systems) gain nothing from having people believe or disbelive them.    I don't care if you like my system, or if anyone else does.    I like it, it is profitable for me, and I would rather spend two hours playing my system for real money and profit than trying to prove to a bitter person like yourself that it plays as well as I know it does.    2 hours are hard for me to find at any given time - I squeeze in short rounds when I get a chance.    Your constant criticisms might make you feel good, but they certainly don't make you look any smarter.   

I'm sorry if I've ruffled your feathers - accept my apology please. 

I am just expressing my views on Roulette and if it differs from yours, well that's what chat rooms are all about. 

As to criticism, I simply ask folks who sell systems and who say they have winning systems to simply demo them in real time for 2 hours - about 100 spins.    This should be enough time to demonstrate a system/method that actually works. 

I believe good hearted folks have just fooled themselves and have nothing in the way of a system.    There is a big difference between playing with play money in the quite of their homes and demonstrating their skills in real time before an audience that doesn't believe in Mulligans.  .  .  .  . 

P. S.
I actually believe I use Roulette as it was intended - betting alternative Red and Black and getting free drinks.

I haven't seen anyone do better with Roulette over a long run - I'm proud to say I've been doing this for years and I know I get more in free drinks than what I lose.

And I guess I could demo my system but only I would have a good time. . . .

[Colbster]

That said, not only do I accept your apology, I tip my hat in agreement with your comment about system sellers.  When so many give away their systems freely, there should be a higher level expected from those commercial interests that work through these boards.  While I do not have a math degree, I am an enthusiast towards the indeniablity of math.  I am perfectly willing to conced that a single spin on a roulette wheel (barring the no-zero online tables) will always lose to the house advantage from a mathmatical standpoint.  I would enjoy having a conversation about my system with you in a chat setting, because I think someone who values math like you do would appreciate the simplicity and absolute way that my betting system overpowers the house advantage.  For any who view math as the immutable law of the physical world (and I consider myself among those), my system has an undeniable edge.  You would probably appreciate the accomplishment more than most, if we can take a couple minutes without the automatic reaction of disbelief.  My system is based on math, explained by math, and supported by math.  I think you would approve.

[MauiSunset]

That said, not only do I accept your apology, I tip my hat in agreement with your comment about system sellers.   When so many give away their systems freely, there should be a higher level expected from those commercial interests that work through these boards.   While I do not have a math degree, I am an enthusiast towards the indeniablity of math.   I am perfectly willing to conced that a single spin on a roulette wheel (barring the no-zero online tables) will always lose to the house advantage from a mathmatical standpoint.   I would enjoy having a conversation about my system with you in a chat setting, because I think someone who values math like you do would appreciate the simplicity and absolute way that my betting system overpowers the house advantage.   For any who view math as the immutable law of the physical world (and I consider myself among those), my system has an undeniable edge.   You would probably appreciate the accomplishment more than most, if we can take a couple minutes without the automatic reaction of disbelief.   My system is based on math, explained by math, and supported by math.   I think you would approve.

How do we proceed?

I have my beliefs but I'm human and I make mistakes all the time.   

I am spending 2011 learning Roulette and investigating concepts that might not make sense to me but give me a spark in another direction.

[Colbster]

I'm in chat now - would love for you to join me 

[Johnlegend]

I play Roulette as a break from playing Black Jack at casinos.   

I play for 1 hour and try to get as many free drinks as possible and play as slow as possible and hope not to get too many Green "0" and "00".   

I believe in the following:

1) Patterns can't be found in random numbers which forecast future outcomes
2) I believe in the Gamblers' Fallacy - the "universe" doesn't need to spin more Reds than Blacks just because the marquee shows all Blacks
3) Progressive betting is no magical answer - it is no better than flat betting
4) 100% of all the "systems" for sale are phony
5) Money management might hold a key to making Roulette profitable - I've seen no proof but that's my gut feeling

I have challenged many folks to demonstrate a 2-hour session played live, and find out just how much money can be made or lost using there system.     Only one person has ever taken up my challenge and the results were a loss - but I do give credit that person who took the challenge.   

That's how I look at Roulette and I'm looking at money management techniques here and elsewhere.   

If I should offend your beliefs in Roulette, I apologize ahead of time.   .   .   .   

Then you better tune in to the main systems section on saturday, I am about to blow negative thinking out of the water. With the method to rule all methods. Read the new thread on Saturday called MIRROR 6. Test it then tell anyone the game is unbeatable. You wont be able to.

[MauiSunset]

Then you better tune in to the main systems section on saturday, I am about to blow negative thinking out of the water.  With the method to rule all methods.  Read the new thread on Saturday called MIRROR 6.  Test it then tell anyone the game is unbeatable.  You wont be able to. 

Sadly, or really happily, we leave to a 2 week vacation to Maui starting Saturday at 8 am Central time - I will try to catch up later in the week.

[MauiSunset]

I'm in chat now - would love for you to join me  :)

Thank you for pointing out an area that I never caught on with your method.   I will research and get back later.

Thanks again. . .

[esoito]

Nice to see a couple of members dealing with their differences of opinion in such a civilised manner. Well done 

That's what makes this forum very special...


@Colbster

Don't be too surpised if some of the mathematical devotees come knocking at your door, wanting to learn about your method.

I must confess I'm interested, too!   

You might even consider starting up a thread about it...