Roulette can't be beaten

[Colbster]

Esosito,
My basic premise is presented in link:://rouletteforum.cc/roulette-and-gambling-framework/the-eggleston-betting-system/.  Please look at the math I present in the beginning post without concern for how I select which dozens to play.  I give an overly simplified example just for the sake of explanation, but that is not the method that I play (although it is actually related to how I play).  I welcome the math guys because they should be the quickest to recognize that the traditional house advantage has been overcome and then some.  Thanks for the interest!

[GLC]

Colbster,

Your 2-hour challenge is pretty weak.

There are numerous systems on this forum that can easily win for 100 spins.

That doesn't prove they are winners for 1000 spins.  Now that is a real test of a system.

100?  Just throwing chips on the table can win in a 100 spins with a little luck.

Now if you challenge someone to a $1000 wager that their system will lose in the next 100 spins, I doubt that you would get too many takers.

100 spins is just too few to prove anything.

Although, thanks for sharing your perspective.

G

[MauiSunset]

Esosito,
My basic premise is presented in hxxp: rouletteforum.  cc/roulette-and-gambling-framework/the-eggleston-betting-system/.    Please look at the math I present in the beginning post without concern for how I select which dozens to play.    I give an overly simplified example just for the sake of explanation, but that is not the method that I play (although it is actually related to how I play).    I welcome the math guys because they should be the quickest to recognize that the traditional house advantage has been overcome and then some.    Thanks for the interest!

OK, I've reread your system and I just don't see anything to the system. 

You pick 2 dozen or 24 out of 37 numbers covered and win 1 unit 24 out of 37 spins and lose 26 out of 37 spins (lose 2 units on the open dozen plus 2 units on Green 0) - net loss of 2 units in 37 spins. 

What am I missing here?

[furple]

Roulette can be beaten, just not all the time. One should not get too hung up about roulette and treat it more like a hobby and not a means. There are people that do win consistently but are few and far between. Have fun with it as roulette is an enjoyable pastime. 

[MauiSunset]

Roulette can be beaten, just not all the time.  One should not get too hung up about roulette and treat it more like a hobby and not a means.  There are people that do win consistently but are few and far between.  Have fun with it as roulette is an enjoyable pastime.   :thumbsup:

That's exactly how I view Roulette - I get free drinks which cost more than what I lose.

This is the maximum I've been able to get out of Roulette over the years.

Can I get more?  That's why I haunt these chatrooms. . . .

[Colbster]

Colbster,

Your 2-hour challenge is pretty weak.

There are numerous systems on this forum that can easily win for 100 spins.

That doesn't prove they are winners for 1000 spins.  Now that is a real test of a system.

100?  Just throwing chips on the table can win in a 100 spins with a little luck.

Now if you challenge someone to a $1000 wager that their system will lose in the next 100 spins, I doubt that you would get too many takers.

100 spins is just too few to prove anything.

Although, thanks for sharing your perspective.

G

For the record, the 2-hour system has nothing to do with me.  That was MauiSunset's ongoing challenge to anyone who wanted to present a system.  I completely agree with you that 100 spin sessions do not prove the merit, or lack thereof, of any system.  I just feel that having mechanical rules by which I play helps me keep my emotions out of the equation, preventing me from making poor decisions that cost me money in the long run.  I have played my system for tens of thousands of spins, both play and real money, both RNG and a tiny bit on the real wheel.  I am a consistent (but not every single session) winner who has a great win-loss ratio that suits me just fine.  I understand that my betting methods are not suitable for everyone, as everyone has a style that fits their personalities.  As I have stated frequently in my own thread, I wanted to highlight the mathematical advantage I have identified, hoping that it can be incorporated with other players systems for maximum gain.

[albalaha]

Well I can say that roulette can't be beaten absolutely and finally without any doubt and under all probailities simply because of the house edge involved, but we can earn more and lose less for sure if we know how to do that. In vlsroulette.com and in this forum I have thrown an open challenge to all roulette experts and veterans (to all non-believers) to provide me 10 sessions of 500 spin each and I will have 1000 units bankroll for each session. I will play all and come out with 500 units profit averagely from every session. vlsroulette.com's admin. Steve said that he can do that too, I invited him to prove and he got scared and banned me.
         See my exclusive section in this forum to see proofs of my winnings upon deposits and even no deposit bonuses fulfilling enormous wagering conditions also.
If you seriously feel there is no way out to win money from roulette, you are wasting your time and that of ours here.

[esoito]

"If you seriously feel there is no way out to win money from roulette, you are wasting your time and that of ours here."

It's never a waste of time to debate concerns and to share perspectives, whether or not we agree with the views expressed.

That's the purpose of a forum.

I certainly don't feel it's a waste of my time to read others' points of view.

[albalaha]

Dear Esoito,
          I am giving my opinion and not a verdict. There have been many topics on this issue in all forums. If someone has a firm belief that roulette can't be beaten, instead of joining a forum to speak this again and again, that person should be just a guest or rather he should avoid thinking about the roulette itself. As our forum's punchline:- Rouletteforum.cc-roulette system players' forum.

[esoito]

Dear Esoito,
          I am giving my opinion and not a verdict. There have been many topics on this issue in all forums. If someone has a firm belief that roulette can't be beaten, instead of joining a forum to speak this again and again, that person should be just a guest or rather he should avoid thinking about the roulette itself. As our forum's punchline:- Rouletteforum.cc-roulette system players' forum.

You make some good points 

Food for thought...

[VLS]

Good point dear Albalaha,

The best option would be to use the forum's dissenting area:

link:://rouletteforum.cc/dissenting-area/

Open a topic on why he/she believes a determined system doesn't work and have a SINGLE link in the actual  system's thread pointing to it, as to allowing others who may like to dissent to join and not hijack the original thread where people is brainstorming in peace.

There's room to dissent from methods in our forum, but politely.

[MauiSunset]

Each year I pick another casino game to master - I spend the entire year learning it.

This year it's Roulette; up until now I play Roulette simply as a 1-hour break from playing Black Jack which I just love and spend most of my time playing.

Roulette is simply a fancy version of just flipping a coin.  It's too simple in order to build any kind of a system that works.  This is not to say that money management might not work.  With MM Roulette is complex enough to develop some interesting techniques - the reason I'm here.

I don't believe in what I call the UFO technology - patterns in random numbers, ballistics of the wheel and ball and signatures of the guy spinning the ball.  I have no doubt this is all junk science but it has an allure to it.

Can I be wrong?  Of course I can, I've been down this path many times before trading stocks and commodities - 99% of what's out there is just junk but that 1% is enough to keep me looking.....

[albalaha]

Every form of gambling has uncertainity associated with it to some extent. Roulette is no exception. It doesn't mean u can't earn from it. You might have got frustrated by losing always in roulette but there are ways to earn. To be a winner, try to be a good listener on this forum than speaker. There is no magic wand or Mantra of winning.

[malcop]

I think trying to beat Roulette or Baccarat for that matter is a wast of time.  You can't beat any casino game long term it just can't be done!

But you can win more money than you lose and that is what you should be concentrating on.

Playing a system/method for 1000's of spins non-stop is a total wast of time and it does not prove anything.

I mean who do you know that will sit a a roulette table and play non-stop for days on end!

This is the way I look at it you have good spots and bad spots, just like you have good days and bad days, have you ever had a day when you just could not do anything wrong, but on the flip side had days where everything you seem to do just goes wrong.

Well that is the way I look at gambling at casino games, I hope when I sit down to play it is one of those days where luck in on my side, and if it is not then I get out with as little damage to my bankroll as possible.

I make far more than I lose at the moment and it has been that way for a long time now, it is not that hard you just have to pick you battles and know when you are beat, live to fight another day.

I know I can not be the only one on this forum that makes more money than they lose.

Thanks

malcop

[hamsup_sotong]

I think trying to beat Roulette or Baccarat for that matter is a waste of time.  You can't beat any casino game long term it just can't be done!

But you can win more money than you lose and that is what you should be concentrating on.

Playing a system/method for 1000's of spins non-stop is a total waste of time and it does not prove anything.

I mean who do you know that will sit a a roulette table and play non-stop for days on end!

This is the way I look at it you have good spots and bad spots, just like you have good days and bad days, have you ever had a day when you just could not do anything wrong, but on the flip side had days where everything you seem to do just goes wrong.

Well that is the way I look at gambling at casino games, I hope when I sit down to play it is one of those days where luck in on my side, and if it is not then I get out with as little damage to my bankroll as possible.

I make far more than I lose at the moment and it has been that way for a long time now, it is not that hard you just have to pick you battles and know when you are beat, live to fight another day.

I know I can not be the only one on this forum that makes more money than they lose.

Thanks

malcop

this my friend is sound advice

Nicely articulated. When luck is smiling on u hit them hard, when its not , make sure its damn hard for them to take back your $$$. Its damn near impossible to win every session, what we're all looking for is a plus at the end on the month.


hamsup