Roulette can't be beaten

[MauiSunset]

Mauisunset there are a few methods that beat roulette overall. The problem with you is you're a closed book you arent really interested in finding out. Otherwise youd take a solid method like MATRIX VERTICAL 3 and test for YOURSELF. Instead of putting up a comical challenge that no pro will take seriously.

You anwser your own assumptions. If someone had a genuine winning method theyd never share it on a forum you cry. Its safe if you advertised it online, on TV, in every newspaper. Had aeroplanes flying with banners, WHYÂÃ,¿?

Because 99% of people are as jaded and sceptical as you, if you gave them THE HOLY GRAIL itself they wouldnt know it, appreciate it. Theyd just carry on playing the lottery dreaming of that INSTANT FORTUNE.

So you need to re-think your attitude on human nature, you're reading it completely wrong. People are lazy and greedy when it comes to gambling. Neither attributes will get you very far if you want to be a successful player.

I've been down this exact path researching stock trading system for 20+ years - they too are all phony.  I've invested lots of money and time and thought everyone else was making huge profits while I ran around buying systems and listening to "experts".

So the same old cries here I've heard hundreds/thousands of times before.

The stock market can't be forecaster but by a very simple average - the DJIA average of 12%+ compounded yearly for 120+ years.  No stock system or stock guru can beat that.  That is the Holy Grail for the stock market.

In the game of Roulette no one can predict the future either - not by looking at past numbers, or using any kind of crazy scheme - Roulette has not be beat in 300 years of it's history and it will be here 300 years from now.  Roulette is just too simple of a game.

Money management is a totally different concept and hold some promise - but that's just a guess on my part; I've seen no MM techniques that work yet.

You guys can make all the noise you want - I know that there isn't anything to it - simple demo it in real time and you will quickly come to the same conclusion.

That's what 2.5 months at investigating Roulette has shown me - all phonies so far....

[esoito]

@ MauiSunset

So just to clarify...Basically you play randomly, do you?

If yes, are you in profit since you started playing roulette randomly?

If no, then how do you play?

Finally, what advice would you give to newbies based on your experience?

[darrynf]

i wouldnt be so quick to believe maui on anything. he slags every system in vls.

the guy just wants a easey system without the work. i wouldnt give the time of day for this guy.

[MauiSunset]

@ MauiSunset

So just to clarify...Basically you play randomly, do you?

If yes, are you in profit since you started playing roulette randomly?

If no, then how do you play?

Finally, what advice would you give to newbies based on your experience?

First, let me state that I am a Black Jack player - that's why I go to Vegas and casinos in St. Louis; I have spent many years studying it and I just like Black Jack.  I play 2 hour sessions and then need to take a break.

Second, I take a 1 hour break and try some new table game; 2011 is Roulette's turn.  I have spent 2.5 months so far and have yet to find anything that allows me to play more than for drinks.

In the past I play Roulette for just drinks - I play as slow as possible and drink as fast as possible; then it's back to Black Jack.

Third, Roulette is 300 years old and has not be beaten by anyone - sure there are a few stories here and there but no proof exists that Roulette can be beaten in 300 years - I have very low expectations that I can find something in 2011.

Forth, I play Roulette by simply looking at the last color, look at the second hand on my digital watch and if I see an even second I bet the last color, if I see an odd second I bet the opposite color.

That's all I do, I make no decisions, random luck drives my game.  This is important since I have nothing to prove to myself - I just do what my watch tells me to do.

Fifth, my advice to anyone who want's it is simple - no evidence exists that Roulette can be beaten so play the way I do.  

Sixth, I will spend the rest of 2011 investigating Roulette but it's so full of junk science and junk math that one should assume that everyone is full of BS and play for drinks only.  Don't assume that anyone else is doing better than you are, odds are just 1% that they are - they are lying, bragging, and just blustering their claims; they are full of BS.

Seventh, bring a bankroll of 100 times table limits.  Always bet 1/100 of your BR and if you lose money you must therefore sit out spins/hands.  If you play $10 table mins then you bring $1,000 and each bet is 1/100 or $10 to start with.  If you lose $100 then you are down to $900 and can only bet 1/100 or $9.  You must skip every other bet.  If you win $100, you bet $11 per bet if you can.

Personally when I'm up 25% I cash out and put that 25% away and it never is used to gamble with again.  When I double my BR I put the winnings away and play very aggressive the rest of the night with the casino's money.

You must never bet more than table limits with your money - never.

Hope this helps.....

[chrisbis]

Personally when I'm up 25% I cash out and put that 25% away and it never is used to gamble with again.  When I double my BR I put the winnings away and play very aggressive the rest of the night with the casino's money.

These two sentences do not make sense.

Could U expand, and make light on them?

Do U +25% and go home, or do U go for +100%, and then spend who's money if U have put the winnings away!?

Which is it?

I do not get it Maui. Sorry. 

[Johnlegend]

i wouldnt be so quick to believe maui on anything. he slags every system in VLS.

the guy just wants a easey system without the work. i wouldnt give the time of day for this guy.

Point taken Darrynf, when he sobers up maybe he'll come over to the full systems section and learn something about just how beatable this game is when a good method is applied PROPERLY. There is no point trying to talk to a casual indifferent blackjack player. Just flirting with roulette for a break.

He is in the dark, whether he chooses to remain there is entirely up to him..

[MauiSunset]

These two sentences do not make sense.

Could U expand, and make light on them?

Do U +25% and go home, or do U go for +100%, and then spend who's money if U have put the winnings away!?

Which is it?

I do not get it Maui. Sorry. 

Sure, this applies to Black Jack where I do just fine.

When I'm up 25% I get up from the table and cash out at the ATM - that 25% goes in my pocket and is never gambled again.  I do this 3 more time and my original BR is now in my pocket and never gets gambled again.

Now I have my original BR but it's all the casino's money.  I play more aggressive and use a different set of money management techniques with the casino's money.

That's just my way of gambling I've adopted over the years, partly superstition and old habits.

[esoito]

@ MauiSunset

These 'money management' techniques of yours get a regular airing on this thread but we never get to learn the details.

Care to share them here?

[MauiSunset]

Point taken Darrynf, when he sobers up maybe he'll come over to the full systems section and learn something about just how beatable this game is when a good method is applied PROPERLY. There is no point trying to talk to a casual indifferent blackjack player. Just flirting with roulette for a break.

He is in the dark, whether he chooses to remain there is entirely up to him..

None of you can demonstrate you can make more money than my system of playing slowly and drinking quickly.

All talk with no proof is what many of you practice.

If that upsets you guys you have gotten away with bragging way too long without someone asking you to backup your grandiose claims which I know you can't prove in real time.

Just spend 2 hours in the live chat room with a live Roulette wheel -  all I hear are excuses after excuses after excuses.....

[MauiSunset]

@ MauiSunset

These 'money management' techniques of yours get a regular airing on this thread but we never get to learn the details.

Care to share them here?

I don't know what you mean - I play for free drinks while playing Roulette.

Black Jack is a game of skill and it can't be taught.  You can easily read the rules and find a playing card which I highly recommend you use - but you must play years and create your own playing card since the ones available on the internet, or bought in the Vegas stores, won't get you that far.

Let me know if I didn't answer your question.....

[esoito]

I don't know what you mean - I play for free drinks while playing Roulette.

Black Jack is a game of skill and it can't be taught.  You can easily read the rules and find a playing card which I highly recommend you use - but you must play years and create your own playing card since the ones available on the internet, or bought in the Vegas stores, won't get you that far.

Let me know if I didn't answer your question.....

Well...no you quite obviously didn't answer my specific question about 'money management'. 

Money management is not germane only to blackjack, of course. Its principles apply to all betting endeavours.

So the invitation to inform us about your approach to 'money management' remains open...and currently unanswered...

[winkel]

I don't know what you mean - I play for free drinks while playing Roulette.

So you are an gambling addicted alcoholic?

[MauiSunset]

Ok; let me present my money management techniques.  Money management is the key control to any system you should use - or lack of system.  It's just common sense and I will just discuss betting mechanics and not Money Management Systems.

bankroll (BR):

Normally we stay at Vegas 3-4 nights (Let's say 4 for now) and I decide, usually at the last second, how much to risk each night, If I'm not feeling that well, I bring a smaller amount, and if I feel great a greater amount.  Let's say I feel great and want to celebrate so I allocate a nightly amount that relates to something I appreciate - like a 5-star dinner for 2 or $500 per night - I put $2k in my pocket.  I never use ATMs.

Each night:
I bring ONLY each day's amount, in this case, $500 and each bet is 1/100 of the BR or $5.  If I want to play $10 tables then I must bring $1,000 or $4k for the trip.

This is important since Lady Luck runs the night - if she hates you then you will lose and each bet must be 1/100 the BR.  I play until 6 hours is up or I just give up.

Bets:
Each bet must be 1/100 BR so our first bet is $5, you lose and now have $495 BR.  Your next bet is $4.95 - well table mins are $5 so you must sit out the next hand/spin and play the next one.

You win a few times and now have $625 - when I'm up 25% I cash out and put the $125 in my pocket and return to the table/machine and deposit $500 again.  That $125 is never gambled again - I invest it.

I repeat this 3 more times until I've doubled my money and the $500 in my BR is now 100% casino money.  I get aggressive now.  Let's say I'm up to $600 now each bet is $6 (if allowed).  If I am having a fantastic night I will take my BR, say $600 and bet $100 - I still qualify for 1/100 of the BR is left and the bet is now $100.

This is how I play Black Jack, my main game - it's a 2 hour session.  I take a break and play Craps or Roulette I play for entertainment and pick the best odds bet and go with that.  I will just take $50, for instance, and waste my time at either game for an hour.

Overall Recommendations:
Let Lady Luck run your game - if she likes you you can be betting each spin/hand, if she hates you you will be skipping spins/hands and sitting them out.

Replace your money with casino money and while doing this use 1/100 of BR for each bet.  After you replace your money with casino money relax the rules if you are doing great.

Pay attention to winning and losing streaks - if you get hit over and over with losses get up and move to another table - don't fight it.  If you have a winning streak play until you get 2 losses in a row - get up and find another table.

Anyway that's how I use Money Management with Black Jack; I doubt I'll ever get this good with Craps or Roulette - the games are just too simple and skill means nothing in Roulette and means a little more in Craps.  Both pale compared to Black Jack in terms of the skill control you have over the game as it is played...

[hoper335]

I play Roulette as a break from playing Black Jack at casinos.   

I play for 1 hour and try to get as many free drinks as possible and play as slow as possible and hope not to get too many Green "0" and "00".   

I believe in the following:

1) Patterns can't be found in random numbers which forecast future outcomes
2) I believe in the Gamblers' Fallacy - the "universe" doesn't need to spin more Reds than Blacks just because the marquee shows all Blacks
3) Progressive betting is no magical answer - it is no better than flat betting
4) 100% of all the "systems" for sale are phony
5) Money management might hold a key to making Roulette profitable - I've seen no proof but that's my gut feeling

I have challenged many folks to demonstrate a 2-hour session played live, and find out just how much money can be made or lost using there system.     Only one person has ever taken up my challenge and the results were a loss - but I do give credit that person who took the challenge.   

That's how I look at Roulette and I'm looking at money management techniques here and elsewhere.   

If I should offend your beliefs in Roulette, I apologize ahead of time.   .   .   .   

I win at roulette but for me to prove it you would have to come with me since I only play at B&M casinos.

Ron.

[Johnlegend]

Lazy pessimists learn nothing. ROULETTE REQUIRES NO SKILL You have much to learn...