Riding the waves.

[GLC]

This is a bet selection method that is just a tad bit difficult to explain but is worth the effort.

We are going to keep track by giving a numeric value to an even chance repeating and another numeric value to an even chance alternating.

Streak is what I will call repeating.
The numeric value for a streak is +1.
RR is a streak and is a +1 numeric value.

Chop is what I will call alternating.
The numeric value for a chop is -1.
RB is a chop and is a -1 numeric value.

We will track by keeping a running total of our +1' and our -1's.

RRB = the numeric value for these 3 results is +1 for the RR and -1 for the RB.
Our numeric line would look like this: +1,0.  In other words we keep a running total for a line.

RRBRBBRB Numeric values are: +1-1-1-1+1-1-1
Running total for RRBRBBRB is +1,0,-1,-2,-1,-2,-3

We keep our chart vertically, like this:


R
R   +1
B     0
R   -1
B   -2
B   -1
R   -2
B   -3

We don't bet every spin like with most of my systems.  Although, as you will see, there are going to be plenty of betting opportunities.

Our betting opportunities come after there is a change in direction.  If we have the following line

+1
0
-1
-2
-1
-2
-3
-2   Right here is a change in direction and is a trigger for a bet.
-1   Right here is a bet that won because we always bet that the change in direction continues.
0
+1
+2
+1   Right here is another change in direction and a trigger for a bet
+2   This bet lost because there was another change in direction

With our 1st trigger above, we were in a streaking stage.  We know that because our line was moving in a positive direction.  That means  that whatever color brought us to -2 is the color we bet on to take us to -1

Our line looks like this:

R 
R  +1
B   0
R  -1
B  -2
B  -1
R  -2  Right here we are climbing a wave
B  -3  Right here is the top of the wave
B  -2  Right here is the trigger that we have started down the wave
B  -1  Right here is our bet that we will continue down the wave
B  0
B  +1 
B  +2  Right here is the bottom of the wave
R  +1  Right here is the trigger that we have started up the wave
R  +2  Right here is where we lost our bet because we always bet that the change in direction will continue and in this case it didn't.  Can't win them all.

There is 1 rule I haven't mentioned yet.  We must have a least 2 steps either up or down the wave before we can bet after it turns.

The following has an example of where we can't bet.

 
R  +1 
R  +2  This is the 1st movement in a direction
R  +3  This is a 2nd movement in the same direction
B  +2  This is a trigger for a change in direction and a bet
R  +1  This bet wins because the change in direction continues
R  +2
B  +1  This indicates a change in directions but no bet because only 1 step in the direction
R   0

This bet selection method is based on the idea that the spins of the roulette wheel move up and down creating the outline of a mountain range.  We know that eventually a movement in one direction has to come to an end and very often it goes in the other direction for a while.  Then, it changes again and goes back in the previous direction for a while.

We're just trying to catch the change in direction.  We're betting that the change in direction will last at least 2 spins.

The 2 step requirement before we can bet if there is a change in direction is fairly aggressive and can be extended to 3 spins or even 4 spins in a direction before we can bet on a turn around.  This will give us fewer bets, but is a little safer.

Once you get familiar with tracking this method on 1 even chance, you can add a second even chance to track also and this will give you twice the betting opportunities.  Then, add the 3rd even chance and you will have 3 times the number of betting opportunities.  This will keep you hopping, but is doable and is recommended so as to maximize your time at the wheel.

My limited testing of this method indicates that a flat bet has a good chance of winning.

I can also recommend my "Ratio Betting" method listed under "Money Management" as another bet method.

Test it with a flat bet first before going to a progression.  You may decide that the risks associated with a progression are not necessary to stay ahead of the game with this method.

Tell me what you think,

George

[GLC]

I have been thinking about using the +1/-1 designation with this system and all it is doing is telling us when a streak ends and chops begin.  It would be easier to just follow the e.c. until it either streaks for 3 or more in a row or chops for 3 or more in a row and then changes.  Once it changes from say streak to chop, we bet that it will follow the change for at least 2 spins. 

The first chop is our trigger to bet for a 2nd chop.

The real reason I started looking at the +1/-1 was to try to come up with a concrete method of being able to tell when an e.c. is trending.  With the +1/-1 method anytime our running total is positive, we have had more streaks than chops and anytime is is negative, more chops than streaks.

My idea was to track all 3 e.c.s and flat bet on any or all of them for streaks whenever they have a positive running count.  Then I thought that there's no reason to be partial to the streaks because we can bet for chops just as effectively when the running count is negative.

My problem is that if we have a good run of streaks, our count becomes very positive and can stay that way for quite a while but not be streaking because it will take a while for the chops to finally bring the value below zero.  That means if we are betting for streaks because the value is positive, we are actually betting opposite what the trends are doing while the positive running count is moving toward the zero.

If anyone is interested in this idea and can make some suggestions for how to use this information effectively for a system, I'd appreciate your input.

Thanks,

George

[malcop]

I have been thinking about using the +1/-1 designation with this system and all it is doing is telling us when a streak ends and chops begin.  It would be easier to just follow the e.c. until it either streaks for 3 or more in a row or chops for 3 or more in a row and then changes.  Once it changes from say streak to chop, we bet that it will follow the change for at least 2 spins.  

The first chop is our trigger to bet for a 2nd chop.

The real reason I started looking at the +1/-1 was to try to come up with a concrete method of being able to tell when an e.c. is trending.  With the +1/-1 method anytime our running total is positive, we have had more streaks than chops and anytime is is negative, more chops than streaks.

My idea was to track all 3 e.c.s and flat bet on any or all of them for streaks whenever they have a positive running count.  Then I thought that there's no reason to be partial to the streaks because we can bet for chops just as effectively when the running count is negative.

My problem is that if we have a good run of streaks, our count becomes very positive and can stay that way for quite a while but not be streaking because it will take a while for the chops to finally bring the value below zero.  That means if we are betting for streaks because the value is positive, we are actually betting opposite what the trends are doing while the positive running count is moving toward the zero.

If anyone is interested in this idea and can make some suggestions for how to use this information effectively for a system, I'd appreciate your input.

Thanks,

George

Hi George,

That is really funny I came to that very same conclusion a few hours ago and was playing around with the very same idea!

Great minds think alike  

I did try a session your way first though it went a high of +4 then went to 0, playing all EC's at the same time.

I stopped playing it because I had to end the session, one thing I noticed and it happens quite a lot when playing all EC's is streaks of 4 or more if you look streaks of 4 formed on all EC's at some point or another I would have normally implemented what I call my 4 streak rule, which simply put means if I see a streak of 4 develop jump on it and ride the streak for as long as I can.

If I had done that in this session it would have ended more than +10!

by the way I'm sure I may have maid a few mistakes  by betting too early  

Thanks

malcop

[GLC]

Malcop,

Your riding the 4s is a good idea to eliminate some of the choppiness experienced by betting earlier.

I have been testing this tracking method with my system ROL vs BEH where I bet all 3 even chances at the same time.  I'm using a bet progression of +1/-1 Alembert.  I also only bet and e.c. if the running total is positive.  This has been working fine.  Don't know if it's any better than my original way of playing ROL vs BEH. 

I still have to come to a decision regarding when to play for streaks even when the count is negative but is streaking on it's way to positive and vice versa.  I can see that I'm losing a good section of bets when that happens.

I've been thinking of something like if I'm negative say -6 and I have get to -4 or -3 within say 5 spins, I begin betting for streaks because it has to be streaking to move to the positive so why wait until it reaches +1 to start betting for streaks.  You will have already passed up some winners.

Thanks for your help.

George

[malcop]

Hi George,

This is what I was thinking of when waiting for a streak or chop of 3 to break and betting once for the new patter to continue, and also riding a streak of 4 or more.

Just betting for streak or chop of 3 or more +4
Adding riding a streak of 4 or more +16

Thanks

Philip

[Big EZ]

Hi George,

I was reading over the new method you posted. I cant help but think I have heard about this somewhere before so I started to rack my brain and I finally put my finger on it. This is what Winwithmath aka James Albert Wendel used to say was his first dimension in his 'new maths' concept.

Hope you do well with it. I will be looking in to see how the testing goes.

[GLC]

Hi George,

I was reading over the new method you posted. I can't help but think I have heard about this somewhere before so I started to rack my brain and I finally put my finger on it. This is what Winwithmath aka James Albert Wendel used to say was his first dimension in his 'new maths' concept.

Hope you do well with it. I will be looking in to see how the testing goes.

Big EZ,

I've been scratching my head trying to remember where I frist came across this idea and I finally remembered.  Winwithmath may have posted it also, but I got the idea from a system published by Izak Matatya.  It's one of his 5 easy Even Chance systems.  It's not exactly like his system, but the basic way of charting the streaks vs chops is the same.  It's like there's nothing new under the sun (where have I heard that before?).  I've read and thought about so many different ideas that it's hard to always give credit where credit is due.  Sometimes we give credit to someone for an idea only to discover that they plagerized it from someone else.  This idea is probably older than copyright laws.  Hey, if we can get it to work, who cares where it came from.

I hope with a little tweaking we can improve on the basic idea.

We'll keep you posted.

George

[GLC]

Malcop,

Looks positive.

Those runs on Odd and Low were sweet.

Maybe this is the way to play it.

I'll try a session tonight and let you know how it goes.

G

[ZigZag]

Hi GLC

Very interesting bet selection. I did just a little session. Can you tell me if I have done this right? I bet for both the streaks and the chops?

R
R  +1
B    0
B  +1
R    0
B   -1
B    0
R   -1
B   -2  
B   -1  Bet B
B   -0  Win  + 1
R   -1
R   -0
R  +1
R  +2
B  +1 Bet Red
R   -0 Win  + 2
R  +1
B   -0
B  +1
R   -0
B   -1
B   -0 Bet B
B  +1 Win + 3


stop-win/loss of + 3 and - 6 if flat beting maybe?

[GLC]

Hi GLC

Very interesting bet selection. I did just a little session. Can you tell me if I have done this right? I bet for both the streaks and the chops?

R
R  +1
B    0
B  +1
R    0
B   -1
B    0
R   -1
B   -2  
B   -1  Bet B
B   -0  Win  + 1
R   -1
R   -0
R  +1
R  +2
B  +1 Bet Red
R   -0 Win  + 2
R  +1
B   -0
B  +1
R   -0
B   -1
B   -0 Bet B
B  +1 Win + 3


stop-win/loss of + 3 and - 6 if flat beting maybe?

Looks right to me zigzag.  I was thinking of a little higher win target than 3, but if the unit size is large enough, 3 should be plenty.

I also ran a test tonight, but I don't have the time to list out each spins, so here's a break down of my session.

I used Malcop's tweak of waiting for 3 in a direction and then a change and then 1 bet and if I have 4 in a direction, I bet for the streak of 4 to conitnue to 5,6,7 etc... until it finally stops.
One drawback of following a streak is that you know you are going to end with a loss.  I always hated that.  But so far we're getting more wins than losses, so I'll just have to deal with it.
I'm tracking all 3 e.c.s so as to get as many bets as possible.

41 Spins
47 Bets
27 wins
22 Losses
+7  Flat betting
-2  Largest drawdown

I was at +11 at one point, but ended on a bad couple of bets.

So far so good.

G

[ZigZag]

Hi GLC really liking this bet selection, but i will have to find a slower wheel to play as where i play now they spin every 40 seconds and i'm finding it difficult to track with pen and paper / look for the triggers and place bets without making mistakes  maybe i will deposit some money into Supercasino for this.

I have tried using just tracking 1 EC but its not half as effective as playing all 3 ECs together i find.

Great flat bet method though 

[GLC]

Hi GLC really liking this bet selection, but I will have to find a slower wheel to play as where I play now they spin every 40 seconds and i'm finding it difficult to track with pen and paper / look for the triggers and place bets without making mistakes  maybe I will deposit some money into Supercasino for this.

I have tried using just tracking 1 EC but its not half as effective as playing all 3 ECs together I find.

Great flat bet method though 

You're right, 40 seconds is pretty quick to play all 3.  I'm sure that with practice you'll be able to get quicker, but you don't want to be making mistakes.  It screws your head up when you pass up wins or misbet and get a loser.  This games hard enough at best.

Good luck.

G

[ego]

Great post ... i find it when i was searching for Magic Five system...
I will try this and get back with results.

How much different is this ,,, then the original ...

CHeers

[Colbster]

A few years ago, I did an extensive study of apply technical analysis investment tools to roulette on the basis that, if stock prices were random like some have argued but that they can be tamed with technical analysis, roulette should be tamable by the same sort of tools.  I experimented with stochastic indicators, moving averages, Bollinger bands, all sorts of things.  What you are doing could easily be translated to a charting method called Point & Figure charting.  It's a great way of identifying shifts in trends and entry and exit points into and out of those trends.  Like Gizmotron always used to say, it was all about getting into and out of trends at the right time, and he was at least right about that.

Using your idea, coupled with some of the indicators that come from this charting method, you might be able to grab some very interesting short- to medium-term trends and maximize the profits.  Just a thought.

Here is an article that explains what I'm talking about to anyone who isn't familiar with this method of investment analysis.
link:://:.investopedia.com/articles/technical/03/081303.asp

[ego]

A few years ago, I did an extensive study of apply technical analysis investment tools to roulette on the basis that, if stock prices were random like some have argued but that they can be tamed with technical analysis, roulette should be tamable by the same sort of tools.  I experimented with stochastic indicators, moving averages, Bollinger bands, all sorts of things.  What you are doing could easily be translated to a charting method called Point & Figure charting.  It's a great way of identifying shifts in trends and entry and exit points into and out of those trends.  Like Gizmotron always used to say, it was all about getting into and out of trends at the right time, and he was at least right about that.

Using your idea, coupled with some of the indicators that come from this charting method, you might be able to grab some very interesting short- to medium-term trends and maximize the profits.  Just a thought.

Here is an article that explains what I'm talking about to anyone who isn't familiar with this method of investment analysis.
link:://:.investopedia.com/articles/technical/03/081303.asp

I like this very much.
Is not every day you have a discussion about flat betting.

I have the point and figure charting PDF and will attach the file to this topic.
I also have the Magic Five system wish this topic is based upon.
Let me know if some one wants a copy.