An easy way to make nice profits with no hard thinking

carpanta · Mar 06, 11:06 AM 2011

An easy way to make nice profits with no hard thinking but a nice bankroll required.
Here you are:

Bet on last dozen or column spun to repeat. Use Victor's pluscoup progression till you are in positive +1 unit or more. Once goal achieved start again with 1 unit bet.
From B&M German Casino.
Play is on columns in this case:

30
20 1 -1
22 1 -1 -2
34 1 +2 0
34 2 +4 +4
31 1 +2 +6
6 1 -1 +5
27 1 +2 +7
8 1 -1 +6
23 1 +2 +8
27 1 +2 +10
15 1 +1 +12
0 1 -1 -11
15 2 +2 +13
0 1 -1 +12
12 1 +2 +14
20 1 -1 -13
21 1 -1 -12
15 1 +2 +14
3 2 +4 +18
35 1 -1 +17
15 1 -1 +16
8 1 -1 +15
21 1 -1 +14
4 1 -1 +13
8 1 -1 +12
19 1 -1 +11
31 1 +2 +13
14 2 -2 +11
10 2 -2 +9
21 2 -2 +7
2 2 -2 +5
22 2 -2 +3
14 2 -2 +1
23 2 +4 +5
33 3 -3 +2
24 3 +6 +8
6 4 +8 +16
9 5 +10 +26
16 1 -1 +25
17 1 -1 +24
21 1 -1 +23
9 1 + 2 +25
26 2 -2 +23
11 2 +4 +27
7 1 -1 +26
15 1 -1 +25
26 1 -1 +24
3 1 -1 +23
36 1 +2 +25
21 2 +4 +29
16 1 -1 +28
22 1 +2 +30
24 1 -1 +29
14 1 -1 +28
12 1 -1 +27
25 1 +2 +29
36 2 +4 +33
5 1 -1 +32
36 1 -1 +31
36 1 +2 +33
33 2 +4 +37
35 1 -1 +36
23 1 +2 +38
22 1 -1 +37
34 1 +2 +39
36 1 -1 +38
4 1 -1 +37
22 1 +2 +39
17 2 -2 +37
19 2 -2 +35
18 2 -2 +33
25 2 -2 +31
26 2 -2 +29
19 2 -2 +27
13 2 +4 +31
22 3 +6 +37
3 4 -4 +33
3 4 +8 +41
18 1 +2 +43
26 1 -1 +42
10 1 -1 +41
26 1 -1 +40
18 1 -1 +39
7 1 -1 +38
0 1 -1 +37
16 1 +2 +39
10 2 +4 +43
13 3 +6 +49
and so on

Cheers,
Carlos.

carpanta · Mar 06, 12:37 PM 2011

Since this sistem designed to bet on repets back to back is based on a major randomness principle it has to perform well. No matter you play it on RNG if it is not rigged which i doubt very much.
To play it safely a 800 chip units bankroll (more than enough) is required. So as to succeed you have to bet as indicated dont try weird twists on the pluscoup progression all you have to do is to be ahead one minigame after another. Patience will reward you. Greed is the worst enemy. And dont forget: b***s needed to take the progression to iits last consecuences!!!

Cheers,
Carlos.

iggiv · Mar 06, 01:41 PM 2011

it can work for some time, but it is gonna lose sooner or later. By lose i mean - it is gonna lose everything it won. There will be a time when u encounter no repeat cycles a few times in a row. That's how random works. It won't give u nice repeats all the time.

carpanta · Mar 06, 01:58 PM 2011

Thanks for the reply, Iggiv. Yes, there will be very tough runs but it recovers very well despite them.
There is a point when repeats alternates with no repeats as you are playing 1 column then you recover from these runs too.
I know what im tallking about but i understand your wariness all the same.
Look, this is a troublesome piece of permanence just as an example:

13
6 1
20 1
15 1
28 1
10 1 +2 -2
20 2
14 2 +4 0
9 2
28 2
6 2
9 2 +4 -2
19 3
10 3 +6 +1
5 1
6 1
24 1 +1
0 2
-- -- --
3 2 +3
16 1
23 1
1 1
13 1 +2 +2
17 2
33 2
9 2 +4 +2
28 3
36 3
3 3 +6 +2
25 4
8 4
22 4
29 4
36 4
25 4
33 4
17 4
28 4
23 4
32 4 +8 -30
1 5
14 5
27 5
16 5
9 5
33 5 +10 -45
18 6 +12 -33
-- -- --
11 7
13 7
18 7
13 7
31 7 +14 -47
8 8
20 8 +16 -39
30 9
10 9
17 9
12 9
7 9
2 9
34 9
16 9 +18 -84
30 10
1 10
28 10 +20 -84
24 11
33 11 +22 -73
2 12
3 12
18 12 +24 -73
-- -- --
5 13
30 13
13 13
8 13
36 13 +26 -99
15 14 +28 -71
18 15 +30 -41
30 16 +32 -9
3 17 +34 +25
18 1 +2 +27
32

Cheers,
Carlos.

atlantis · Mar 06, 02:36 PM 2011

Hi Carlos,

Thanks for posting. I tried a session a BetVoyager NoZero Roulette and ended at +21 after a fluctuating position where the worst drawdown was -26

A.

carpanta · Mar 06, 03:14 PM 2011

Atlantis, you have a pleasant play if you went only -26 to be +21 in the end. Believe me you are to encounter steep hills to make a profit from time to time. But it may surprise you how well it recovers.
The explanation could be that last repeats can be under average outcome during many spins but when they decide to show they may do it in clusters letting a nice recovery in few spins. Most important is not get scared by a big drawdown and go on playing till last consecuences.

In this game one cannot say NEVER this or that will not happen. One is bound to lose a big bankroll when one doest's expect it. All the same it is not easy task for the game to take your bankroll away playing this way. It is such an apparent regular strategy that first sight tells you THIS CANNOT WORK AT ALL.
Alll I know, years ago Atila (forums nickname for a famous spanish roulette player)who has my full respect once told me that an italian guy, friend of him, made a living playing this system in land Casinos. It was said he played a negative progression 1,2,3,4,5,6 etc till he was in plus. But I consider it could be more dangerous than this pluscoup progression since this is a positive one.

Cheers,
Carlos.

iggiv · Mar 06, 05:02 PM 2011

I can give you some tweak ideas bud. Roulette hates consistent betting patterns
so.

1) make it hit -n-run as much as possible. wait after each "mini-cycle" (i mean betting the same dozen till you win or lose) as many spins as possible

2) try to introduce betting previous single dozen/column (for example you get 1, 3, 2 -- you bet dozen/column 3, if you get 1, 3, 3, 2 -- you don't bet 3). don't make consistent patterns like betting dozen/column/dozen/ or betting previous/last/previous/last. try to break your consistent betting patterns as much as possible

GLC · Mar 06, 05:41 PM 2011

Carpanta mate,

I want to begin by saying that this may go beyond your idea of no hard thinking, but I don't think so. If you do, please feel free to delete this post.

Iggiv makes good sense in his last post. I have tried a million bet methods playing for a repeat in the 2:1's and they all come to an unwelcome point. You may be able to stay ahead of the losses for a while and if you're lucky, for quite a while. But we're looking for something other than luck.

So, fortunately, you posted this system right when I am hot on the trail of a new bet selection method. It may turn out to be useless, but maybe not.

It is an adaptation of my Even Chance running total system that shows whether an E.C., such as R/B, is following-the-last or chopping.

For dozens/columns I am also using Colbster's resurected idea of tracking movement to the Right and the Left by 2:1 sections.

Here is my adaptation to 2:1 bets. I have arbitrarily selected movement to the right as +1 and movement to the left as -1. Repeats and zeros are neutral.

We begin by starting a running total line based on how our dozens/columns are hitting. This direction 1-2-3-1 = +1 and this direction 1-3-2-1 = -1.

Example:

Doz R/L Total

1
3 L -1
1 R 0
2 R +1
2 NA
3 R +2
1 R +3
2 R +4
0 NA
1 L +3
2 R +4
1 L +3
1 NA
3 L +2
1 L +1
2 R +2
2 NA
3 R +3
2 L +2
3 R +3
1 R +4
3 L +3
2 L +2
3 R +3

The above spins show us that the trend is for the next dozen to be to the right of the last dozen. I haven't come to a conclusion how the best way to play this is. I was thinking that maybe betting on 2 dozens would be best because you would also get a win when a dozen repeats. But, from my experience, it's very difficult to stay ahead when betting 2 dozens.

Just putting the idea out there for consideration. None of this is firm.

Any suggestions are welcome.

BTW, could you please give us the link to Victor's pluscoup bet method?

Thanks,

George

VLS · Mar 06, 06:42 PM 2011

"Victor's pluscoup progression" => Rise +1 on a WIN and when deficit is lower than unit size, then lower unit size to the exact amount of deficit.

I call it "conscious pluscoup".

In other words: if you are betting 10 by pluscoup and you only need 7 to cover deficit, then by all means, use 7, not 10!

Cheers!
Victor

carpanta · Mar 06, 06:47 PM 2011

Quote from: iggiv on Mar 06, 05:02 PM 2011
I can give you some tweak ideas bud. Roulette hates consistent betting patterns
so.

Fine, mate. Indeed roulette does hate consistent betting patterns coz it cant help produces consistent patterns BY CHANCE or if you prefer in a casual way.

Quote1) make it hit -n-run as much as possible. wait after each "mini-cycle" (i mean betting the same dozen till you win or lose) as many spins as possible
2) try to introduce betting previous single dozen/column (for example you get 1, 3, 2 -- you bet dozen/column 3, if you get 1, 3, 3, 2 -- you don't bet 3). don't make consistent patterns like betting dozen/column/dozen/ or betting previous/last/previous/last. try to break your consistent betting patterns as much as possible

When I wrote the post i planned to share the original version with a different progression, instead of a negative one useing a possitive one.
If you like a more skilled and surely more profitable method then you can try to follow the timing of the outcomes when they are consistent. Naturally you can see last dozen/column not repeating for many spins, then it is not a smart decision to bet that during such improductive periods. Then it is when you can decide to be more subtle and dont lean on the brute force of your large bankroll.

Cheers,
Carlos.

carpanta · Mar 06, 06:53 PM 2011

Quote from: VLS on Mar 06, 06:42 PM 2011
"Victor's pluscoup progression" => Rise +1 on a WIN and when deficit is lower than unit size, then lower unit size to the exact amount of deficit.

I call it "conscious pluscoup".

In other words: if you are betting 10 by pluscoup and you only need 7 to cover deficit, then by all means, use 7, not 10!

Agreed, Victor. It makes sense when you want to decrease steps in the progression. Thanks for the idea.

Cheers,
Carlos.

carpanta · Mar 06, 07:41 PM 2011

Quote from: GLC on Mar 06, 05:41 PM 2011
I want to begin by saying that this may go beyond your idea of no hard thinking, but I don't think so. If you do, please feel free to delete this post.

No problem mate. We are here to have fun, arent we? No hard thinking while playing roulette doesnt mean neccessarily to have a lossing plan but a large bankroll like in this case.LOL Believe me it is not luck just bankroll and let randomness do what it has to do earlier or later.

QuoteIggiv makes good sense in his last post. I have tried a million bet methods playing for a repeat in the 2:1's and they all come to an unwelcome point. You may be able to stay ahead of the losses for a while and if you're lucky, for quite a while. But we're looking for something other than luck.

So, fortunately, you posted this system right when I am hot on the trail of a new bet selection method. It may turn out to be useless, but maybe not.

It is an adaptation of my Even Chance running total system that shows whether an E.C., such as R/B, is following-the-last or chopping.

For dozens/columns I am also using Colbster's resurected idea of tracking movement to the Right and the Left by 2:1 sections.

Here is my adaptation to 2:1 bets. I have arbitrarily selected movement to the right as +1 and movement to the left as -1. Repeats and zeros are neutral.

We begin by starting a running total line based on how our dozens/columns are hitting. This direction 1-2-3-1 = +1 and this direction 1-3-2-1 = -1.

Example:

Doz R/L Total

1
3 L -1
1 R 0
2 R +1
2 NA
3 R +2
1 R +3
2 R +4
0 NA
1 L +3
2 R +4
1 L +3
1 NA
3 L +2
1 L +1
2 R +2
2 NA
3 R +3
2 L +2
3 R +3
1 R +4
3 L +3
2 L +2
3 R +3

The above spins show us that the trend is for the next dozen to be to the right of the last dozen. I haven't come to a conclusion how the best way to play this is. I was thinking that maybe betting on 2 dozens would be best because you would also get a win when a dozen repeats. But, from my experience, it's very difficult to stay ahead when betting 2 dozens.

Just putting the idea out there for consideration. None of this is firm.

Any suggestions are welcome.

by the way, could you please give us the link to Victor's pluscoup bet method?
quote]

Look George. What you are sharing i think has nothing to do with what i started showing in this post. If you want to discuss it we could carry it on here if you dont mind:

link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/know-how-to-play-so-as-to-succeed-in-roulette/

Or if you prefer in another thread though the above link is much more related with your idea.

My conclusion is betting 2 dozens, 2 columns and 2 sectors in the wheel (inside bets on 8 numbers) but you can do it on the layout table with inside bets too.

I cant make out why nobody showed interest to discuss that thread where there is very good ground to develope a strong strategy to play roulette decently at least.

Here you are, the pluscoup progression link:

link:://rouletteforum.cc/money-management/pluscoup-progression/

Cheers,
Carlos.

marivo · Mar 07, 08:55 AM 2011

BetVoyager no zero, fun play, aggressive Victor's pluscoup progression as you describe in your first post (not the one Victor suggested in his post), I lost 800 units bankroll:

287 spins, 4291 units bets, 796 units lost, at bet step 47 units, playtime about 52 min.

I played further (planed to stop at bankroll lost of 2000 units) and I got down to about -1250 units and after that recover to win +119 units. Finally:

367 spins, 9142 units bets, min. about -1250 units, win 119 units, at bet step 77 units, playtime 1h 12 min.

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carpanta · Mar 07, 10:41 AM 2011

Hi Marivo,

I've got a doubt, 287 spins in 52 min. you have a mean of 1 spin every 6 seconds. Is it a RNG?
Did you play minigames? when you were in plus from last positive minigame did you start again the progression or you keep on the stepladder progression?

Thanks for testing.

Cheers,
Carlos.

carpanta · Mar 07, 10:46 AM 2011

This is a very tough run where ive got a big drawdown:

14
36
6
22 1
3 1
19 1
34 1 +2
9 2
29 2
3 2
7 2
14 2
33 2
33 2 +4
8 3
6 3
28 3
28 3 +6
22 4
33 4
19 4
26 4
16 4
20 4
7 4
10 4 +8
29 5
2 5 +10
31 6
5 6
17 6 +12
31 7
36 7
18 7 +14
20 8
25 8
14 8
29 8 +16
16 9
20 9
16 9
32 9
36 9
30 9 +18
22 10
25 10 +20 -57
14 11
10 11
11 11
10 11
0 11
5 11
1 11
6 11
26 11
27 11
12 11 + 22 -145
13 12
9 12
30 12 +24
23 13
13 13
1 13 +26
22 14 +28 -117
29 15
7 15
2 15
9 15
24 15 +30 -147
23 16
7 16
5 16
15 16
12 16 +32 -179
29 17
25 17
27 17
36 17 +34 -196
34 18
14 18
13 18
11 18
3 18
26 18
28 18
5 18
5 18 +36 -304
3 19
28 19
23 19
3 19
20 19
32 19 +38 -361
36 20
20 20
11 20 +40
14 21 +42
23 22 +44
35 23 +46 -209
16 24
29 24
32 24 +48
19 25
6 25
17 25
13 25
12 25
20 25
8 25 +50 -309
28 26
26 26
20 26 +52
25 27
21 27
12 27 +54
27 28 +56
13 29
10 29 +58
11 30
12 30
9 30 +60 -224
29 31
9 31
10 31
17 31
12 31
1 31
30 31
13 31
14 31
23 31 +62 -451
19 32
32 32
15 32
32 32
30 32
31 32
35 32
19 32
4 32 +64 -645
1 33 +66
19 34 +68
10 35 +70
17 36
26 36 +72
2 37 +74 -275
34 38
15 38
11 38
13 38
33 38
9 38 +76 -383
13 39
2 39
32 39 +78
12 40
27 40 +80 -343
0 40
0 40
6 40 +80
23 41
18 41
24 41 +82
25 42
34 42 +84
21 43
7 43
34 43 +86
35 44
11 44 +88 -257
15 45
13 45
6 45
35 45
6 45
9 45 +90 -392
22 46
8 46
20 46 +92
32 47 +94 -298
30 48
11 48
0 48
24 48
20 48
34 48
9 48
30 48 +96 -548
32 49
18 49
21 49 +98
0 50
25 50
25 50 +100
2 51
35 51 +102
32 52 +104
11 53 +106 -287
10 54
8 54
8 54 +108
13 55
15 55
9 55 +110
27 56 +112
29 57
20 57 +114
35 58 +116 +285
27 2
21 2 +4 0
1 1
11 1
29 2 +4 +2
32
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