The Need for Experience

[albalaha]

Hehe...
              It is very easy to analyse a given session that this method would have worked there. Stop this post mortem and you suggest a panacea yourself because you seem to have solution of every problem associated with roulette. Why don't you provide a method which can work with every session? Please go ahead and enlighten all.

[carpanta]

A winning strategy is already provided by me. Problem is people don't feel like working hard and tend to oversee complex things and posts. An easier way is nicer but most of the times it is also worthless.
In few words I given you very good pieces of advice. You take them or not. It is up to you.
Forget you are a lawyer for a moment and don't stick on words only. Try to see further ahead.

Be lucky.
Cheers,
Carlos.

[GLC]

this was was a response to this posting. what's wrong with my questions? The guy -- he could not lie to you about betting on cold all the time? As I understand he wins consistently and explains this success as betting on cold ONLY. I understand that betting SOMETIMES on cold EC or dozens may work as hit and run, but all the time? maybe it is just a small part of his strategies...or he just tries to mislead u?

You said it yourself that he was not very willing to unveil his strategies, so it is possible that he hasn't after all. What he told you could be just not true, or just a small part of truth.

Dear Iggiv,

Now I understand.  Yes, I agree with you that we must take everything he says with a grain of salt.  Also, just because he let's me see that he's cashing out 150-200 dollars doesn't mean that he didn't put in $250 dollars and is really -$50.

He is Hispanic and says the method he uses is an old method developed in Mexico.  He acts like it's a sure win and he's under some kind of honor code not to reveal the method.

I do know that some of what he said is true, because I can see the sleepers forming and know that he is betting against the wheel.  I don't know when he jumps in or gives up if it keeps going.

It's still food for thought.

Albalaha, Carpanta,  Thanks for your thoughts on this subject.  I must admit that I am too focused on just trying to manipulate bets and bet selections in a rote fashion and it always ends up poorly. 

I have been doing better by jumping to another system when the one I'm playing starts losing, but as we all know, sometimes the new system turns bad just when you jump.

My favorite so far is MrJ's even chance method where he plays for trends and jumps from 1 e.c. to another depending on which is doing better.  It's like there's no one to blame but yourself if you don't win.  I'm starting to like the challenge of making decisions on an ongoing basis rather than just working a set method.  And, staying with basically a flat bet eliminates a lot of unnecessary bet tracking.

I keep trying to automate MrJ's idea, but so far I haven't found the exact formula, which is my old habits kicking in.  I have gotten it down to about a break even method.  The problem always is that we never know if we're testing or playing in a favorable spins series that will change soon.  These favorable spin series can go for 100's and even 1000's of spins.  That always gives me pause.

George

[iggiv]

GLC, maybe if u will keep friendly and close with him finally he will reveal some more  of his secrets to you, who knows. I don't think that he told u everything. So i would be very careful before trying those tactics with real money.

u see betting on cold is used by some professional as well, as much as i know. But that's only a small part in their arsenal, and it is always hit-n-run.

about betting against the wheel, this guy whose book u told us about, Brett Morton, he also mentioned he also bets against the wheel recently. There must be something except just bluntly betting against cold. I guess some people may not tell everything they use.

[GLC]

GLC, maybe if you will keep friendly and close with him finally he will reveal some more  of his secrets to you, who knows. I don't think that he told you everything. So I would be very careful before trying those tactics with real money.

u see betting on cold is used by some professional as well, as much as I know. But that's only a small part in their arsenal, and it is always hit-n-run.

about betting against the wheel, this guy whose book you told us about, Brett Morton, he also mentioned he also bets against the wheel recently. There must be something except just bluntly betting against cold. I guess some people may not tell everything they use.

Here's the latest.  My airball friend gave me some more info.  He said that he wins mostly by betting on the repetitive nature of the wheel.  He noticed that the ball falls onto the turning wheel at an exact spot of the non-moving part of the machine.  He tracks about 10 or so spins to see the number of positions from where the ball landed last.  He gets a 8-12 number sector and begins betting for that sector depending on which number hit last. 

Because the ball shoots out at exactly every 60 seconds and the wheel spins at a constant rate, it is possible to calculate within a third of the wheel where the ball should land.

He said that he's been hitting at a much higher rate than the odds should be.

I'm going to try it.  I have observed all the phenomenon he mentioned and I think he's on to something.  If too many people start doing it, the casino could take counter measures.  That's why he didn't want to reveal it to anyone.

I'll let you know how it goes.

George

[iggiv]

Yes, that could be a real thing. ÐÃ,¢hanx for update.

[GLC]

I got so excited thinking about the airball machine and being able to create a dealer's pattern that I left work early and went back to see if I could do it.

Here's what I know.  The wheel part spins at a constant rate.  I timed it.  15 revolutions per minute.  I don't know yet if they vary that from day to day.  The ball is shot out every 60 seconds.  This never varies from day to day. The ball is only shot in a counter clockwise direction.  The ball always falls at almost the exact spot.  In other words, the ball is shot out with the exact same force each time.  This varies from day to day so they must change the air pressure each day.  Maybe less often and maybe more often.

I tracked for 15 spins and got an average of 10 positions counter clockwise.  I would locate the number that was 10 positions counter clockwise from where the ball just landed.  I bet 11 numbers, that is 5 numbers on either side of the target number.

I played 60 spins.  1 hour's worth.  I hit 26 times out of 60 bets.  60 bets @ 11 units per bet = 660 units total bet.  26 wins @ 36 units = 936 units won less 660 units bet = + 276 units for 1 hour.

One of the things I realized while tracking in the beginning is that every now and then, the ball takes a weird bounce and can land anywhere on the wheel.  The next 11 numbers have to be determined from where the ball should have landed and not from where it actually landed. 

In thinking back on the session, I might be able to improve my hit rate if I skip the spin right after a weird bounce and let the machine get back in synchronization to where it should be.

Most of the time the ball falls pretty clean.  Sometimes it falls not exactly what I would call weird, but not clean either.  I don't know how much that effects this whole equation.

I think that I can increase my odds of winning if I increase my sector size to maybe half the wheel.  Or even to 2/3's of the wheel.

Do any of you other guys who have access to airball machines notice any of the things I'm talking about.  If you do, why not give it a try and see if you can determine a footprint for your machine.  I would be interested in your input.

I'll keep you posted.  It'll be a few days before I can get back to the casino, but when I do, I'll post my results. 

I know this is for interests sake only for most of you since you can't play on this airball machine.  Sorry, but if it works on this one, it should work on others also.  Airball machines should be available to a lot of you.  This could be the solution for us poor Yanks who can't play on the internet.

It's nice not even having to think about the fact that I'm playing on a 0/00 machine.

Cheers,

George

[seykid31]

I play airball also,american.But their are times the wheel speed varies.I can notice it slowing down quite fast..guess that is casino counter measure or really the wheel averaging the numbers.But it is not that new airball but i guess software counts.But there are times the wheel is constant for some time.I use count plus dominant diamond factor i get good hits.But i found it more advantageous to bet vis-s-vis.As american wheel with 6 splits possible to cover region opposite each other.But your way of play is very interesting.

[seykid31]

Yesterday i receive my book FULL TIME GAMBLER by Holloway.Sure been a delightfull read.Even if he doesnt talk that much of roulette,what he has given to work with in general suffice.He even made a claim on European wheel,that if it was avaible in Ameerica(that time) he would have beat it One thing i like ,as we are in EXPERIENCE thread,he talk of Cycles and patterns which i think is what most games is about.He talk about how at times you try to bring probability into a game only to lose.E.g ,i think this is for a game of Dice
"One night i was playing back line in a good run.It had gone seven or eight,and winnings were getting bigger.A fellow next to me was doing the same thing.Suddenly he said ' The don't cant win much more' And he switched his bets to the pass line.So help me,he went broke in the next six rolls,while the back line kept on winning and i made an even bigger pile.That is the lesson number one you learn from research of cycles and patterns,'Dont buck a run.If you dont like it,LAY OFF,but dont figure on its turning until it does "

Great advice there,last day also a guy playing next to me did the same thing,a region was hitting hot,he stay for a couple of spins then change saying it must change side now,but didnt.As i was piling up he was losing.That is the day i turn 125 units into 900 units.

[albalaha]

Dear George and Sekykid,
         I have played automated airball roulette (european) so far, they toss ball always from a single hole in the rim of the wheel and always in a single direction. Wheel does move everytime in one direction (clockwise) and ball too (anticlockwise). So far I have noticed, the force with which the ball is thrown does remain constant too but I do not think we can have any conclusion out of that. They use the ball which is so light and it turns from one place to another by hitting deflectors(diamonds). They must have checked the randomness of the wheel prior to installing it.

[GLC]

Dear George and Sekykid,
         I have played automated airball roulette (european) so far, they toss ball always from a single hole in the rim of the wheel and always in a single direction. Wheel does move everytime in one direction (clockwise) and ball too (anticlockwise). So far I have noticed, the force with which the ball is thrown does remain constant too but I do not think we can have any conclusion out of that. They use the ball which is so light and it turns from one place to another by hitting deflectors(diamonds). They must have checked the randomness of the wheel prior to installing it.

Al,

I think you are probably right.  I've been thinking about how much the ball tends to bounce around.  I'm sure that is what they depend on for randomness.  My friend seems to indicate that it does work, this playing for a pattern.  I will keep testing.  If it doesn't work, no harm done.  I still have about 95% chance of guessing right.

I know my first test could very easily been luck on my part since I only won a few spins more than average which can happen at any time.

George

[F_LAT_INO]

Here in this part of the world,central Europe---Croatia,B&H,Monte Negro,Srbia,Macedonia/
even thought in CENTRAL EUROPE,but still not a members of EU--LOL/
ALFASTREET airball machine is everywhere.
It has 4 air speeds....from 18 to 23 revolutions.....sometimes 3,4 same in the row,sometimes
in choppy fashion....but it does constantly 50/50 repeats wheel sectors,and some other repeats which I follow.Among others it have 3 buttons extra bets---serie 0/2/3---5/8---Orfanelli---and
ppl.mostly bet on these and mostly losing.For instance this morning a guy was constantly playing 17 numbers from 22 to 25 and it hit only twice in abuot half hour play/about 30 spins/
before he walk out broke.On this machine I play you just cant lose following last 3 vertical lines
DS playing 18 numbers on 9 splits EC bet.
Vertical lines DS;
1......1-16---3 splits
2......2-17---3 splits
3......3-18---3 splits
4....19-34---3 splits
5....20-35---3 splits
6... 21-36---3 splits.

This is a winning formula on my airball machine.......maybe it is on yours also.Who knows try it.

[albalaha]

Yes Flat,
           I am also talking about alfastreet roulette tables. I found that at most of the casinos I played. Highly unpredictible, I must say.

[GLC]

The machine I play on is called Megastar.  I'll test thoroughly before dumping a bunch of money into it.

[albalaha]

George,
           Was that this one table?
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