*TWO OF A KIND* (Rapid Fire)

[Johnlegend]

Johnlegend

Have you ever seen LLLLL before? I only ever see LL and then its broken up with at least 1 W like this LLwLL

Surely we can take advantage of this with zero coverd later in progression, or dose your data suggest otherwise  

No a double loss is the most thats why im now playing tbis method with a losing game as my trigger. I will present All games played with a trigger soon, and show you how it improves this method.

[ScoobyDoo]

Hi John,

I am most anxiuos to see how this using a loss as a trigger works. At the moment I can't get my mind around it.

By the way, where did you get the idea that the highest number of losses will be two in a row? That doesn't sound possible...at least to continue that way forever.

I think once you are ready to post how you are playing the trigger, you need to post the complete method all in one place so the thread readers of this thread can see it all together. I know I would.

Scooby Doo

[eluka]

Hi Eluka,

Since I never saw what "Relaxed Roulette" looked like, I have no idea if it is similar or not.

As long as it is working for you, what does it matter?

Scooby Doo

I'm not actually playing this, the first session I checked was from hell starting with 3 straight losses, followed by several more in the session. Enough to discourage me from going any further.
Full credit to John and you guys though, have given me some interesting ideas to play with

This method is almost like playing the opposite of Hermes 2nd last dozens? He bets for it to hit, this bets against it hitting (at certain times).
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[ScoobyDoo]

Hi John,

I just did some testing. I waited for an LL and then started playing. It was 26 spins before I got that first loss.

Then another 44 spins before the next loss and 24 more spins for the final loss.

That sounds good but there were a lot of "No Bets" in between...11 wins after my second loss but only seven wins after the next loss until I hit another loss.

I'm thinking maybe you should only try for 5 wins and then wait for the next loss. Unfortunately, by using a loss as a trigger, your units won versus your playing time goes way down because you are having to wait for the next loss before playing again.

Scooby Doo

[Johnlegend]

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Hi John,

I just did some testing. I waited for an LL and then started playing. It was 26 spins before I got that first loss.

Then another 44 spins before the next loss and 24 more spins for the final loss.

That sounds good but there were a lot of "No Bets" in between...11 wins after my second loss but only seven wins after the next loss until I hit another loss.

I'm thinking maybe you should only try for 5 wins and then wait for the next loss. Unfortunately, by using a loss as a trigger, your units won versus your playing time goes way down because you are having to wait for the next loss before playing again.

Scooby Doo

Scoob the idea is to wait for a loss but jump in at level 2 stakes to make the wait worth it Im stopping after 10 points won  5 wins its working Will post my results since the tweak tonight.

[ZigZag]

I just completed a few session using a loss as trigger 1-1 3-3 9-9 progression.

Session 1    34 spins   + 4  
Session 2    46 spins   + 3
Session 3    60 spins   + 8
Session 4    40 spins   + 2

Highest progression 3-3

Example session. (session 1)

3 3
2 3 W
3 2 W
2 3 W
3 3 W
3 1 L   Trigger
3 1 L   Loss  1-1
1 3 W   Win  3-3    + 1
1 2 L    Trigger
3 2 W   Win           + 2
3 3 L L Loss 1-1
1 1      No bet
1 3      Trigger
2 1 W   Win  3-3    + 3
1 2 W
1 3 L    Trigger
2 3 W   Win           + 4

Session End      

Early days of testing but I like it so far  

[atlantis]

Hi ZigZag,

Tried a similar test (wait for trigger L before each bet) on nozero rng

+3 in 54 spins

Highest progression 3-3

Cheers,
A.

[Johnlegend]

I just completed a few session using a loss as trigger 1-1 3-3 9-9 progression.

Session 1    34 spins   + 4  
Session 2    46 spins   + 3
Session 3    60 spins   + 8
Session 4    40 spins   + 2

Highest progression 3-3

Example session. (session 1)

3 3
2 3 W
3 2 W
2 3 W
3 3 W
3 1 L   Trigger
3 1 L   Loss  1-1
1 3 W   Win  3-3    + 1
1 2 L    Trigger
3 2 W   Win           + 2
3 3 L L Loss 1-1
1 1      No bet
1 3      Trigger
2 1 W   Win  3-3    + 3
1 2 W
1 3 L    Trigger
2 3 W   Win           + 4

Session End      

Early days of testing but I like it so far  

Zig Zag it makes sense instead of winning just to give it back. the vast majority of losses are singular. Followed by a win I've now played 200 games this way. RESULTS coming soon. And from what I've learnt I'm betting 10-10-1-35-35-3 on the  after the next loss following A DOUBLE LOSS. Winning streaks in double figures are possible.

[ScoobyDoo]

John,

I really don't understand your progression...please show it in action.

Scooby Doo

[ZigZag]

Hi ZigZag,

Tried a similar test (wait for trigger L before each bet) on nozero rng

+3 in 54 spins

Highest progression 3-3

Cheers,
A.

In early test playing the original way i did see LLL but that was due to a zero

Zig Zag it makes sense instead of winning just to give it back. the vast majority of losses are singular. Followed by a win I've now played 200 games this way. RESULTS coming soon. And from what I've learnt I'm betting 10-10-1-35-35-3 on the  after the next loss following A DOUBLE LOSS. Winning streaks in double figures are possible.

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Hi John really looking forward to your tests. I havent played as many games, but your confident in this to just use a 2 step with zero coverd?

[Johnlegend]

In early test playing the original way I did see LLL but that was due to a zero.

Hi John really looking forward to your tests. I haven't played as many games, but your confident in this to just use a 2 step with zero coverd?

Absolutely Zig Zag the amount of singular losses followed by a win is STAGGERING. Its worth the wait it really is. ITS ALWAYS ABOUT RISK VS STRIKERATE. No matter what method you play. Playing this way your risk is minumal and your strikerate justifies your time investment. As I always say, better to wait for success than rush to failure.

A gambler without PATIENCE will never see/know a HOLYGRAIL because they cannot conceive the notion that you have to become one with it. They will pass it by in search of the next instant fix. And I see that even on these forums where people come to learn.

They stlll come with inherent bad habits that deny them EVER knowing how great something is. They make the fatal mistake of thinking success in this game is instant. It never is nor everwill be.

[jon86]

Absolutely Zig Zag the amount of singular losses followed by a win is STAGGERING. Its worth the wait it really is. ITS ALWAYS ABOUT RISK VS STRIKERATE. No matter what method you play. Playing this way your risk is minumal and your strikerate justifies you time investment. As I always say, better to wait for success than rush to failure.

A gambler without PATIENCE will never see/know a HOLYGRAIL because they cannot conceive the notion that you have to become one with it. They will pass it by in search of the next instant fix. And I see that even on these forums where people come to learn.

They stlll come with inherent bad habits that deny them EVER knowing how great something is. They make the fatal mistake of thinking success in this game is instant. It never is nor everwill be.

[ROB22]

Playing  up to two spins after a L trigger as one game

1, 1  3,3        if you lose both bets drop down to

3,3  9,9          and stay at this level for three wins then back up again

9,9   27,27      If you lose both bets drop down again and so on

Spielbank real spin result  03/01/11

11
12
12  L W  +1
33 W
32
22 W
23
33 W
21
30 W
32
11 W
21
12 W
12 L W +2
23
13 W
11 L L
31
13 W  +3
20 W
33
23
32 W
11
12
21 W
21 L W +4
30 W
33
23
21 L W +5
22 L L
21
31 W +6
33 L L
33
31
22 W  +7
13
31 W
03 L L
22
23
31 W +8
32 L W +9
31
11 W
11
23
12 W
31 W
11 W
11
22
13
21 W
12 W
33
23
12 W
11 L L
33
13
32 W +10
23 W

132 SPINS  +10

highest bet 3

[atlantis]

Hi ROB22,

Did another quick session playing same as you:

+3 in 66 spins. (real numbers)
Highest Bet = 3-3 (once)

Good so far.

A.

[Johnlegend]

Okay results for 200 games played with TRIGGER REVISION. Two level plan covers the ZERO TOO.

LEVEL 1=3-3,1--11-11,1=+2,+3 or plus 29 bet 1, plus 6 bet 2 for ZERO.

LEVEL 2=10-10,1--35-35,3=+9,+11 or plus 15 bet 1, plus 12 bet 2 for ZERO.

After a DOUBLE LOSS you remain at level 2 for two games.

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 200
TOTAL GAMES WON 193
DOUBLE LOSSES 7=NEGATIVE 210 PTS

BETTING LEVEL 1
WINS BET 1=126=+252 POINTS
WINS BET 2=49=+147 POINTS
WINS ZERO BET 1=1=+29 POINTS
WINS ZERO BET 2=3=+18 POINTS

BETTING LEVEL 2
WINS BET 1=7=+63 POINTS
WINS BET 2=4=+44 POINTS
WINS ZERO BET 1=1=+15 POINTS
WINS ZERO BET 2=2=+24 POINTS

TOTAL WON=592 POINTS
TOTAL LOST=210 POINTS
BALANCE=382 POINTS

The value of covering ZERO proved itself as I WOULD have suffered TWO TREBLE LOSSES without doing so. I really like TWO OF A KIND with the TRIGGER.