*MATRIX VERTICAL 5* (Randoms BLACKHOLE)

[Proofreaders2000]

That means to say/or do something over and over again when it isn't necessary.

[jon86]

That means to say/or do something over and over again when it isn't necessary.

Thanks 

[jon86]

Force when you say lose what frequency are we talking about (losses per 1000 spins) And as Atlantis asked do you know a zero in the makeup of a quad voids it. This is the problem I have with rigid computer programs. They can't mimick human play and decision making accurately enough to draw a true comparison in results. A friend of mine already number crunched this method. There were 11 three 5 pointers, 5 four 5 pointers and 4 five 5 pointers in a 30,000 spin sample. that's the bad news. The good news in between those bad boys, there were 479 Quads. But we are not playing 30,000 spin sessions. When you enter the cycle can greatly affect your P&L margin. I'm now 205 games no loss. I have to suffer 8 3 five pointers to wipe that out. Its not going to happen especially when my sessions can be over in 140 spins. LESS IS MORE PEOPLE. Never get flustered about waiting to win, when you reach living level you wont be complaining it took you 5 hrs to win what your job used to pay plus all the grief, keep these things in mind...

Is it 205 sessions with 4 Wide? 

[Johnlegend]

Come on johnlegend put us out of our misery the suit must look good  just like your systems

Hmmm, not sure that was a compliment. MV5 is a joint effort Joiner29 you have Twister and Atlantis to thank aswell for us arriving at this ultimate conclusion.

PATTERN BREAKER will hit the forum between 9,30 to 10.

[Johnlegend]

Is it 205 sessions with 4 Wide? 

No Jon thats 205 games three and four wide.

[The_Force]

First off, I am not a naysayer. I would like nothing more than this is to hold up and everyone to profit from it. I lived off roulette for a whole year, so I know it can be done.

All I am saying is that I ran some real numbers through the program and it lost too many progressions to make a profit. Yes, it wins more than it loses but the losses out-weight the profit.

I am equally questioning the program as I am the system. I hope that there is a flaw in the program which gives me these bad results. But because no one has suggested how the program is wrong, then I must also question the system.

I've ran 43,000 live spins through the program and the overall result is negative. Many sessions DO end in profit, so of course you can profit from this system. But I cannot lie about the overall outcome.

The program can be found in this thread here, so you can all check for yourselves.

link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/matrix-vertical-method-only/825/

Again, I am not trying to discredit the system. I am simply saying that when I ran real numbers through a program that simulates the system, it loses in the end. I am questioning the program as much as I am questioning the system.

[jon86]

The last days i have only play as John has told me to do. All the negative people here the last days have proberly done the same as the Matrix is brilliant and a winner.

Negative people will be around its just they nature to complane and trash things i belive. The rest ho is willing to try and be a part of the new things that comes will be sucessfull over time if follow people ho know this game and have played. I have learned a couple very important things from John the last week and how to play and how much to play each day.

For me is five wins enough with great value to make a living of this. So if i have a system that wins 200 sessions before it lose 1 time and then win 100 sessions more before next loss its more than enough.

Well in this case John will bring one more system that wins more than lose to us so i am very greatfull for that and all sould be.


Thanks to all ho has been here and contributed to the matrix

I will now play a couple more sessions for the day and i bet we talk later in the Patter Breaker Topic

Jon

[jon86]

First off, I am not a naysayer. I would like nothing more than this is to hold up and everyone to profit from it. I lived off roulette for a whole year, so I know it can be done.

All I am saying is that I ran some real numbers through the program and it lost too many progressions to make a profit. Yes, it wins more than it loses but the losses out-weight the profit.

I am equally questioning the program as I am the system. I hope that there is a flaw in the program which gives me these bad results. But because no one has suggested how the program is wrong, then I must also question the system.

I've ran 43,000 live spins through the program and the overall result is negative. Many sessions DO end in profit, so of course you can profit from this system. But I cannot lie about the overall outcome.

The program can be found in this thread here, so you can all check for yourselves.

link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/matrix-vertical-method-only/825/

Again, I am not trying to discredit the system. I am simply saying that when I ran real numbers through a program that simulates the system, it loses in the end. I am questioning the program as much as I am questioning the system.

Why you wonder about the system you can see live people here win and have won 200.300 sessions i a row and you wonder if the system works?

Dont mean to be rude i just dont understand why people ask and look for flaws in the system when live people here are winning day in and day out.

[Johnlegend]

First off, I am not a naysayer. I would like nothing more than this is to hold up and everyone to profit from it. I lived off roulette for a whole year, so I know it can be done.

All I am saying is that I ran some real numbers through the program and it lost too many progressions to make a profit. Yes, it wins more than it loses but the losses out-weight the profit.

I am equally questioning the program as I am the system. I hope that there is a flaw in the program which gives me these bad results. But because no one has suggested how the program is wrong, then I must also question the system.

I've ran 43,000 live spins through the program and the overall result is negative. Many sessions DO end in profit, so of course you can profit from this system. But I cannot lie about the overall outcome.

The program can be found in this thread here, so you can all check for yourselves.

link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/matrix-vertical-method-only/825/

Again, I am not trying to discredit the system. I am simply saying that when I ran real numbers through a program that simulates the system, it loses in the end. I am questioning the program as much as I am questioning the system.

Force please explain the method to me as you understand it. And WHAT constitutes a loss in your program of the FOUR WIDE MATRIX??

[Maui13]

WIKI - Simulation is the imitation of some real thing, state of affairs, or process. The act of simulating something generally entails representing certain key characteristics or behaviours of a selected physical or abstract system.
Simulation is used in many contexts, such as simulation of technology for performance optimization, safety engineering, testing, training, education, and video games.

Putting numbers into a program is a simulation, and NOT the real thing. The numbers players are putting down here, is the real thing. No one can deny that 205 games, none lost is short of absolutley bloody magnificent....unless there are better stats on this forum that I might have missed...

[The_Force]

I know it can be annoying for people to come here and be negative, but I assure you that I am simply asking questions. I am not trying to discredit this system.

The reason why I won't simply trust the few results of those on here is because I lived off roulette for a whole year, with an almost infallible system.

But a few months into my second year, I hit a very bad run. It was like the casino had caught onto me or something. But the truth is, the system was not infallible and it had hit it's natural trough from a year long peak.

The program can simulate many sessions, which is why IF the program is correct then you can gain a lot of info from it. But as I said before, the program maybe flawed which is why I said that I am questioning the program as much as I am this system.

[londonboy85]

Hi I'm the newbie.  Would someone be kind enough to send me a link where i can read the system from begining or explain the system with an example.  I read the first few pages and I'm loss  :(.  Thanks

[Maui13]

I'm in the IT industry, and trust me if I tell you, I would love to use my pc and apps to do a bit of number crunching and tracking my numbers because I can hardly understand my own handwriting as I haven't been using pen and paper for the last 12 years or so  , I am very skeptical too...

There's an add on the tele....and they convince you that this new product is so awesome. You don't believe it, but the next day you buy it and find out for yourself....and that is the ONLY way you'll get to know the product. You might love it, or you might hate it...

At the end of the day, it all depends on you! Even as I'm writing this, As I said, I'm still skeptical about this, but I've tried it myself....not as many spins...or as many units, but still success.

So - may "The Force" be with you...    Take a plunge, put some money on the table...and see how it goes!

[Maui13]

1, I am using a FOUR WIDE GRID And betting that every vertical QUAD, does not become a FIVE POINTER.

2, I am betting this way for both DOZENS and COLUMNS. Using a THREE STEP PROGRESSION.
1,3,9 X 2=26pts risk. So you record two side by side matrices, one for each.

3, ideallly you need two banks of 26 one for DOZENS and one for COLUMNS.

4, I play for FIVE WINS a session max. NO MORE. Sometimes if I reach 200 spins I take whatever I've won in that timeframe. Shorter sessions have given me 190 consecutive wins already. They work well for me.

You should aim to quadrupple your bank BEFORE YOU DOUBLE what you play. So if you start at 26pts and reach 104pts. You should now bet with 52pts. Hope this helps..

@ Londonboy85   

[ZigZag]

Hi I'm the newbie.  Would someone be kind enough to send me a link where I can read the system from begining or explain the system with an example.  I read the first few pages and I'm loss  .  Thanks

Hi Londonboy. Welcome. 

I think maybe whats best is to read the
MATRIX VERTICAL ONLY method in the systems libary section of the forum. The only difference here is with the Matrix vertical 5 is that we are using a 4 wide grid playing both dozens and columns against quads forming a 5 pointer.