Why most people lose in roulette? A poll.

[albalaha]

This is one of the most thinkable topic for all roulette players, playing online or in real casinos.
Which one is the biggest evil amongst these:
1. Gambling itself is the reason
2. House edge
3. Progression
4. Wrong strategy
5. Greed; or
6. All of the above

[albalaha]

Well, in my opinion, it is wrong strategy which brings most of the players to a net loss, almost always and it is the only thing which one can improve.

[mr.ore]

All those are reason, but in the end it is always house edge. If they play bold/progression, then they win for some time but not stop, so it is a greed also. If they play more timid, house edge slowly erode their bankroll. Wrong strategy is also a reason, there are strategies how stay longer in game, but they do not make profit...

[GLC]

All those are reason, but in the end it is always house edge. If they play bold/progression, then they win for some time but not stop, so it is a greed also. If they play more timid, house edge slowly erode their bankroll. Wrong strategy is also a reason, there are strategies how stay longer in game, but they do not make profit...

Mr. Ore,

There are people in this forum who testify that they have a method of playing roulette that wins for them.

How do you respond to this? 

Are you saying that what they are saying is impossible?

Or are you implying that they just haven't played long enough for the house edge to finally wear them down?

Just curious.

George

[mr.ore]

It is absolutely possible for them to be long term winners. It is caused by a combination of method and luck. During my many tests, I have seen many times that a system have been winning for 100000 spins, even flat betting one unit (progressing in risk though). They always tank in the end. Even Labouchere can be winning for 10000 spins, two dozens systems also can be turned into long term winner with trailing stoploss, as long as there is enough wins between losing series of 5+.

So my answer is - they just haven't played long enough, or more accurately - they just haven't placed enough bets. They might not lose in their lifetime, of course.

Progressions lose in long term, bet selections seems not to work. I am yet to see a proof that bet selections affect something, like lenght of losing streaks, or minimal number of spins between very negative expectation sessions.

I am now experimenthing with another ideas regarding roulette. If player has edge in short term or not is due to luck. If he is lucky, then he can have edge many times during his life. There is different math for a case that player has edge, so I am thinking about looking into that, in order to know how to utilize luck.

[7]

Why most people lose in roulette?

Well they do and they don't. Most people win at roulette and then play it all back and lose what they have won and then finally lose their starting bankroll.

But remember they did and do win at roulette all the time, but they still end up shafting themselves in believing their luck will continue or their luck will return any minute now, even though they have already had a good run of luck and lustre for more.

[Johnlegend]

Luck doesn't come into it when discussing the merits of a mechanical method. Luck is someone winning the lottery.

When analyzing a working mechanical method *3* CRUCIAL ELEMENTS, determine your success OR failure with that method.

STRIKERATE, SUPERIOR MONEY MANAGEMENT & DISCIPLINED MINDSET. Thats it. If any of those three essentials are lacking. It will be reflected by your results.

All this talk of luck, a method tanking on a gazzillion spin bot hold no water. They are thin excuses made by people who believe in flawed maths theories. And are frightenned to ever admit that what they were brought up on, and bow to.

Could be missing something. I for one know of THREE METHODS that absolutely destroy roulette. Random simply has no answer to them, When applied with the second and third essentials above.

There is no luck when you can win at will remember that naysayers. I have been beating this game for 11 years, making my living from it for 7 years.

And I have three methods to use to that end. One day tbe excuses of maths devotees will have to stop. And accept this games ALWAYS been beatable.

The FACT is only a very small minority have the ability to stick to the plan, and carry out the THREE ESSENTIALS day in, day out...

[F_LAT_INO]

Well even me must say few words about the topic.
Am playing/full time/on the every day basis more
then 20 years,play in almost every casino in Europe,
now only playing airball machine/in my place and always on the same
machine/cause of getting tired of travelling,and am winning more then
I'm losing.If you think it is luck then you are wrong.Experience,
patience,and knowing what you are doing at the right time.
Positive attitude and allways large BR to win small amount.
Method......few must.

[mr.ore]

By "combination of method and luck" I meant that if you have strong method, then you are lucky that you haven't encountered some crazy scenario like standard deviation in hit rate lower than -3 in your personal permannence. By luck I also meant that if you stopped because things seemed going bad, they really went bad and then after storm is over, you jumped back and game behaved well. You can theoretically encounter very bad deviation, after some time jump out and wait, and when you decide to return, you encounter another bad deviation and so on several times. How to avoid that scenario?

[Wally Gator]

I said this in another post, but the bottom line is that you either use your brain or you don't.  My opinion is that math has little to do with outcomes when you use your ability to quit, change strategies or move tables.  It's easy to say that strategies fail after a million spins, but how many of us will ever see that many spins in our lifetime? To those who are reluctant to play a solid strategy with good money management because it may fail after hundreds of thousands of spins, I say what happens when that failure takes place after you die?  You are either doing it or not, using your brain or not.  It's a choice.

[MrJ]

You should of put an option of...OTHER.

My opinion, they bet too many numbers and NOT willing to skip some spins. Betting on every spin is not necessary. Will you be bored waiting? Yep, so what?

Ken

[mr.ore]

Skipping spins might be vital. In order to get an edge 1/37 in roulette, you have to correctly bet two spins every 37 spins that the spin loses and do not bet that spin. I have a simulation with "fake oraculum" which always bet correctly to see if it would work. It would, tested on number. "Oraculum" skips spins only if it did not hit for more than 37 spins, so all winning streak are same as in original version. I have tried to find a real oraculum for number, because it is easy to correctly bet that number it plays won't hit next spin - chance is 36/37 No, I have not found it yet. For this thing to work, if it bets that number won't hit but a number hit, it has to correctly avoid losing 35 spins to make make up for it.

If you play even chances, every time you correctly bet that another spin won't be a win and avoid betting, you get a little advatage. To make game fair, you have to be correct once every 37 spins. To gain minimal advatage, you have to be correct once on top of that. Then your "baseline" is 1 unit and you beated the game. Every time you guess correctly you gained advatage.

Summary - if you guess correctly 37 losing spins (you must not fail, or correct guesses-incorrect guesses >= 37 for it to work) in 37*37 then every more than 37 is an advatage.

[GLC]

The things that have hurt me the most is not knowing my system so I can play it on auto pilot. 

Testing and playing at home is easssyyyy compared to playing in the casino.  There are a lot of distractions and a few missed bets can be the ruin of a progression system.

The other thing I notice among my friends is that they don't have a set way of playing in mind and stick with it.  They either bet too much when they're winning because they feel like they're suppose to win or the bet to much trying to recover from a bad luck streak.  Either way ruins their plan.

The final problem is that we don't have enough back-up money in case we hit a losing streak.  If we're tight on money, it gets hard to hang in there and make the bets necessary to pull out of the hole.

The final thing is that they haven't memorized the wheel and the carpet.  By that I mean, they don't know the order of the numbers on the wheel and they don't know what color all the numbers are on the carpet and they don't know which column every number is in, etc...  This is important for overall confidence.

I'm sure there are plenty of other factors, but enough have been mentioned to get the ideal.

Geo

[MrJ]

"The final problem is that we don't have enough back-up money in case we hit a losing streak" >>> I agree 100% but you will read from some others, it makes no difference how much your BR is. Thats completely wrong, in my opinion.

Ken

[albalaha]

It is very strange that nobody is cursing progression. All flat betting guys gone? I personally feel that flat bet method can't succeed in long run. Had it been possible by any method, the entire world will play that and that method/tool only.