*PATTERN BREAKER*

[Johnlegend]

"Snubby" !     

Was that a Freudian slip?

Trebor

Lol not on my part.

[Steve]

John,

Steve you have your ideology of play, I have mine

You still dont understand. I am not talking about my opinion or ideology. I am talking about mathematical and scientific certainty.

You skirted around my explanation of why your 10,000 player explanation is flawed

No, I explained everything in plain english, but you didnt understand.

All people not just you Steve who think math explains EVERYTHING, can't and neverwill understand that math doesn't hold all the anwsers when it comes to beating this game

That is exactly like saying nature doesnt explain everything. Again you dont understand what you are saying.

The biggest weak point when it comes to beating this game is a persons MINDSET

No, it is more correct the biggest weak point when applying a strategy is discipline. When it comes to beating the game, probably the biggest weak point is IGNORANCE.

This game is ABSOLUTELY beatable LONGTERM.

it is beatable your way long term.... if your definition of long term is a few spins each year.

Honestly john, you remind me of Alabalah. You have a lot to learn and dont have a clue what you are saying. And when I try to explain it, you think it is just my mere OPINION. For example, I say everything can be explained from mathematics and nature, and you say otherwise. Around and around people go in circles. I explain things in clear english, and you say I avoid things, because you dont understand basic facts. I cant argue with your logic. Eventually anyone interested in your method will learn for themselves.

You are just misleading people and doing harm. That is my problem. And its why I asked you basic questions that lead to the simple fact that you are deluding yourself if you think your system is something someone can earn a living from. I will try not to waste further time on this. people can find out for themselves as they did with alabalah.

[Johnlegend]

John,

You still don't understand. I am not talking about my opinion or ideology. I am talking about mathematical and scientific certainty.

No, I explained everything in plain English, but you didn't understand.

That is exactly like saying nature doesn't explain everything. Again you don't understand what you are saying.

No, it is more correct the biggest weak point when applying a strategy is discipline. When it comes to beating the game, probably the biggest weak point is IGNORANCE.

it is beatable your way long term.... if your definition of long term is a few spins each year.

Honestly john, you remind me of Alabalah. You have a lot to learn and don't have a clue what you are saying. And when I try to explain it, you think it is just my mere OPINION. For example, I say everything can be explained from mathematics and nature, and you say otherwise. Around and around people go in circles. I explain things in clear English, and you say I avoid things, because you don't understand basic facts. I can't argue with your logic. Eventually anyone interested in your method will learn for themselves.

You are just misleading people and doing harm. That is my problem. And its why I asked you basic questions that lead to the simple fact that you are deluding yourself if you think your system is something someone can earn a living from. I will try not to waste further time on this. people can find out for themselves as they did with alabalah.

Steve lets just agree to dis-agree. I was warned you would be like this. But I will leave you with one thought. When Superman verifies that I have turned 200 Euro into more than 10,000 Euro by the end of next year. How will you account for this achievement with a method and strategy of play that doesn't WORK.? That will be amusing to see. Pilot came along and made an impressive statement without proof.

I will have the proof, that's the difference. See you there.

[Steve]

I was warned you would be like this

By who? Alabalah??

WARNING: Steve tries to help people be deceived by people who claim to have the HG. He may explain simple facts you may not understand. You may think it is all just his opinion.

When Superman verifies that I have turned 200 Euro into more than 10,000 Euro by the end of next year. How will you account for this achievement with a method and strategy of play that doesn't WORK.? That will be amusing to see

Why do we have to wait a whole year? Why dont we find 100 people to play the system right after Superman finishes his daily session. Then we could have results 100 times faster... right? Or will the universe know we are trying to cheat?

John, I think you are Fender/CEH. You are from the same region and all. You have been coming back under so many fake names. But let's assume you are not.... STILL, you make ridiculous comments and claims about roulette, and you dont even understand WHY they are ridiculous.

[Johnlegend]

John,

You still don't understand. I am not talking about my opinion or ideology. I am talking about mathematical and scientific certainty.

No, I explained everything in plain English, but you didn't understand.

That is exactly like saying nature doesn't explain everything. Again you don't understand what you are saying.

No, it is more correct the biggest weak point when applying a strategy is discipline. When it comes to beating the game, probably the biggest weak point is IGNORANCE.

it is beatable your way long term.... if your definition of long term is a few spins each year.

Honestly john, you remind me of Alabalah. You have a lot to learn and don't have a clue what you are saying. And when I try to explain it, you think it is just my mere OPINION. For example, I say everything can be explained from mathematics and nature, and you say otherwise. Around and around people go in circles. I explain things in clear English, and you say I avoid things, because you don't understand basic facts. I can't argue with your logic. Eventually anyone interested in your method will learn for themselves.

You are just misleading people and doing harm. That is my problem. And its why I asked you basic questions that lead to the simple fact that you are deluding yourself if you think your system is something someone can earn a living from. I will try not to waste further time on this. people can find out for themselves as they did with alabalah.

Pure over reaction from you Steve because I stepped on your ego. So be it. This isnt a forum when you have the owner making slanderous statements about someone they dont even know.
I was fender and now im John legend. FOR YEARS? Get your facts right Steve. I was on your other forum VLS that went to pot for a while. You banned me because you are scared of anyone challenging your flawed beliefs. No worry. A cowardly act always.

[Steve]

Fender my dear friend,

1. You removed my other post where I revealed the proof that you are Fender using a fake name. You could only do this because you are the thread author. But you still admit you are Fender. What choice did you have though? You were caught.

2. Making an "unintelligent" of yourself is not stepping on my ego, my deluded sociopath friend.

3. I never made 'slanderous' remarks until I knew who you were. From the onset I knew there was something "not right" about you. I mean you were speaking absolute nonsense and it was very clear you had no idea what you were talking about. Initially I merely explained WHY your approach cannot succeed and you took offence to it. You responded with utter junk and clearly had no understanding.

4. I banned you because for years you have been:

a. Lying to people claiming you have the holy grail system. You gave them bits and pieces only and asked people to pay you for the REAL secrets. And people that did end up paying you were scammed, and complained about you. You wrote pages and pages and pages of junk. Made up imaginary foundations and all. All to get people in private to scam them.

b. When you did give full systems, you merely led people on claiming it was the holy grail etc. You clearly loved having people believe and follow you. It clearly gave you some kind of sick pleasure.

Like Alabalah, and in the interests of being neutral, you were given the benefit of the doubt and had ample chance to prove your claims. But like Alabalah, you skipped around basic questions that revealed everything for what it was. They were basic facts 'charlie'. Basic facts. But you don't understand them, or how your attempts to refute them make you look like an unintelligent. So you claim it is just my ego being hurt? Wow. It has always fascinated me how delusion works. Some people really just don't get it. What amazes me too is how easily people are misled... the ignorance. If only people investigated properly and used their own heads instead of believe whatever others say.

In your previous incarnations on the forums, you claimed to beat roulette with mathematics. And now you say "gee Steve, you seem to think that everything can be expressed with maths"...What a change of heart. Well, actually, mathematics is a universal language of nature. And for you to claim you have a system that defies basic mathematics and nature itself is delusion.

Among your many idiotic claims..... You claim long term is a few spins per year..... You must hit and run to win, or you lose.... 1000 players playing 1 session each is different from 1 player playing 1000 sessions... and the list goes on.

Fender, start your own forum. Mislead all the people you want. There are much more gullible people than there are people who understand basic roulette principles, so your forum will be bigger than any of mine.

As you have shown many times, and as I have said after each time I banned you, no doubt you will be back again... posting thousands of messages, spending 24/7 on forums... misleading people because of your sick need for attention. Do you understand what you do to your own self by having so little integrity? You remind me of some people. If you're like them, you too go out and publish oodles of pages telling everyone what a scammer I am, instead of you being what you are. Oh wait, you already did. So make more then.





PS - For those that don't know, Fender/CEH is a freak of a person who for years has been claiming to have the holy grail system. His system is different every time. He is a sick person who deliberately misleads people for attention. He has been on many of the forums using many fake names. Sometimes he manages to make thousands of posts before detection. Sometimes he is detected right away.

He is banned again. If anyone is unhappy about me protecting the forum from a sick person who time and time again has proved what he is, you can contact him directly.

[ddarko]

come on Steve humour me, why on earth do you think he is CEH ??

thxs 

[Steve]

1. Fender had the same IPs etc as CEH. It is clear fact they are the same person.

2. JL's email address in his account begins with "pmfender".

3. JL had no option but to ADMIT he was also Fender. He must have been embarassed about it, so he deleted my post explaining this.

Connect the dots.

Are you humored now??..

[ddarko]

"1. Fender had the same IPs etc as CEH. It is clear fact they are the same person."

the same Internet Provider or the same IP address ? not sure what you mean here 

"2. JL's email address in his account begins with "pmfender"."

That's great but has nothing to do with CEH

"3. JL had no option but to ADMIT he was also Fender. He must have been embarassed about it, so he deleted my post explaining this."

Again, that's great but has nothing to do with CEH

Are you humored now??..

nope not really, yet again on a roulette forum nobody seems to like to answer a simple question 



but thank you for finding a moment to answer me.

[Steve]

It was a long time ago but I recall it was exact match IP.

And as per my prior post, I cant see how I could have answered your question any clearer. 3 simple points that lead to a fact.

[ddarko]

It was a long time ago but I recall it was exact match IP.

And as per my prior post, I can't see how I could have answered your question any clearer. 3 simple points that lead to a fact.

well like I stated before points 2 & 3 have nothing at all to do with CEH. The questions beg how did you know that that old IP address was indeed CEH ?

[speed]

excellent job Steve, one liar and self-proclaimed winner less 

[superman]

Sorry Steve, I have to agree with ddarko, YES he is/was Fender from the old VLS, I picked that up as soon as he landed here as JL remembering his THEZONE method, but Charles Hampshire, I have to disagree mate.

For the record, I am not playing any of his methods, I merely offered him the full use of my BetVoyager account, I gave him 20 euros to prove his methods work, so far they haven't and its all in the bv challenge thread for everyone to see. Yesterday in that thread he went on about end/middle of next year, I stated this was far too long so set down some limits for him as I too can't be @rsed waiting that long to lose 20 euros lol. He stated he will double that 20 to 40 by year end IF he does that (over the next 48 days) then he must put 100 euros into the account and double that 140 to 280 within the next 48 or so days. IF he can't do/reach either target Skakus is going to take over the account to prove he can do something with it and we will all know where we stand with JL/Fender.

So to recap, he must reach 40 euros by December 31st, if he does he deposits, via me, 100 euros making 140 euros in the account then has until late February to double it before I pull the plug on his challenge.

[atlantis]

Please do not ban JL.

A.

[Bayes]

I have to add my voice to the appeal not to ban JL. He can be OTT with the hype but I don't think he deserves to be banned. He is/was Fender, but CEH? I must admit I didn't take much interest in the CEH debacle but I did  read his website a couple of times years ago, and JL's personality and history on this forum just doesn't match. Where is the evidence that he's a scammer? I've exchanged a few pms with him and never got the impression that he was trying to scam anyone, and if that WAS going on surely it would have come out by now.