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Quote from: ayk on Jan 28, 02:50 PM 2018
Just for the sake of testing, did some RNG tests (see attachement). No MM, 0 acts like loss, just flat betting!

17,5k spins, HL +89U, EO +46U, RB +57U

Cheers ;)
Hi ayk,  can you do a similar test of my PB style I posted on post #1562. TQ

Ricky

Hi
I came across the PB the other day while researching what others are doing with Roulette Systems and my first impression was WOW. I have been working on a robust system to play the game taking into account method, money management and reading the flow of the game to determine the best betting method to use (betting against patterns or with streaks). I am using a bot to perform my testing so last night I programmed the original PB into my system and am  testing it to see if I get the same results being reported on this thread. I am still wading my way through the years of discussion on this topic so will fine tune  the method including the money management rules to see how it performs over the long term in real live conditions, not simulations.
I am testing on a live online casino with real dealers and have a goal of turning a $1K bankroll into $100K (play money of coarse).  So if PB can achieve this with its simple betting and MM rules in a relatively short period of time and low risk then I will be amazed because to date I have not had much success getting over $5K before a losing streak tends to destroy most of the profit.

The main approach I have been using to date is a similar idea to the PB but it uses a method to bet against a repeating pattern that the wheel randomly generates. The trigger is a starting repeat of the previously defined number of spins. eg if the last 7 spins were RBBRRBR and the next 2 spins start repeating the last pattern with RB then I would use a Martingale or D'Alembert progression for the next 5 spins betting AGAINST "BRRBR". The method also covers the Zero bet with E/C bets adjusted to cover. This reduces the House Edge and provides a bonus win when it does hit. 

The method has had some success but what keeps killing this method are
1. the length of the progression (5 step progression risks approx $250 to make $5)
2. the wheel's tendency to regularly spin repeating patterns on queue when you decide to bet against it.

Looking at the PB I see many benefits over the above defined method as extensively mentioned in this thread.
1. Small bankroll by only betting 3 spins using Marty with max 7 or 14 units depending if you are targeting 1 or 2 units per session.
2. Ability to recover easily with losses recouped in next 2 sessions assuming you do not lose twice in a row.
3. Seemingly rare occurrences where last sequence will follow the previously to last sequence.
4. The equally rare occurrence where all 3 bets will be exactly the OPPOSITE of the last sequence allowing you to bet WITH or AGAINST the sequence. One bet out of the 3 will win most of the time
5. Covering the Zero bet does not have negative impact on Bankroll due to the relatively small number of bets to achieve your target profit. In fact, sized correctly you can gain the equivalent of  2 to 3 sessions due to the 35:1 payout
6. Makes good cover on online play as the bets placed by the bot are not more frequent than a real human playing the system.

If my results match what has been posted here then I will be forever grateful to the originator JL and all fellow contributors. I will post some graphs of my results playing just PB once I have some significant session time playing the system. I will also try and share some video of some sessions on you tube if anyone is interested.

(EDIT) Attached is first results from 200+ spins
Regards,
Ricky

Andre Chass

Quote from: DamoG on Jan 25, 04:52 PM 2018
What makes betting the opposite of the last 3 remaining H/L's out of a tracking session better than
just betting it itself?. E.G, you are left with HLL - and you bet LHH. Some sort of statistical math involved that out of what was tracked dictates you are better off betting LHH ?

Hi all

I have the same question.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained...

ozon

Quote from: ayk on Jan 28, 02:50 PM 2018

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Just for the sake of testing, did some RNG tests (see attachement). No MM, 0 acts like loss, just flat betting!

17,5k spins, HL +89U, EO +46U, RB +57U


In this simulation, you did not use flat stake, but 1-2-4 progression.
  Nevertheless, the results are very good, let's say that the triggers were over 1000, we have almost 200 units of profit, it is not known whether this will be maintained on a large sample of spins.
For sure the results will be a bit better on French roulette, due to zero.
However, it is still hard for me to imagine good results against RNG casino software.

Andre Chass

It seems to me that no one has the knowledge of how this system really works.
I did some tests and If I make 3 random bets using marti I will get similar results.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained...

Apolloo

Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 29, 05:52 PM 2018
It seems to me that no one has the knowledge of how this system really works.
I did some tests and If I make 3 random bets using marti I will get similar results.

The bet is on opposite of the 8th pattern forming straight after the 7th pattern forming. Thats the strategy behind it i think pal
Grind hard with the patience and discipline 👊

Andre Chass

Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 29, 06:08 PM 2018
The bet is on opposite of the 8th pattern forming straight after the 7th pattern forming. Thats the strategy behind it i think pal

What makes betting the opposite of the last 3 remaining H/L's out of a tracking session better than
just betting it itself?. E.G, you are left with HLL - and you bet LHH. Some sort of statistical math involved that out of what was tracked dictates you are better off betting LHH ?
Nothing ventured, nothing gained...

sentinel3

Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 29, 06:17 PM 2018
What makes betting the opposite of the last 3 remaining H/L's out of a tracking session better than
just betting it itself?. E.G, you are left with HLL - and you bet LHH. Some sort of statistical math involved that out of what was tracked dictates you are better off betting LHH ?

It just works. I just came off a 38 game winning streak. And am on a 7 game streak now.

Ted009

Sent:
Again, thank you for sharing your real playing experience with us and I appreciated it. I like the PB a lot too. I have a question for you, on averaged, I have to wait between 35-45 spins before I have the trigger to place a bet. Am I doing something wrong or is this the norm?

Good luck and Cheers!!

sentinel3

Quote from: Ted009 on Jan 30, 12:16 AM 2018
Sent:
Again, thank you for sharing your real playing experience with us and I appreciated it. I like the PB a lot too. I have a question for you, on averaged, I have to wait between 35-45 spins before I have the trigger to place a bet. Am I doing something wrong or is this the norm?

Good luck and Cheers!!
Hi Ted009 nope thats about the standard number of spins for a game.

The beauty in letting random select your bet for you. Is it rarelly takes longer than that. When i was betting just red and black. There were times it took over 80 spins to get down to the last pattern 8. Not anymore. My last 80 odd games have all qualified sub 50 spins.

Ted009

Hi, Sentinel3,
Truly appreciated your prompt reply. I am glad I did not do anything wrong. I like to track the three EC's as suggested by you and I find it working well, too. I am a baccarat player, and I find it a consistent winner as well. I will use it at the land based casino next month. I know this PB is originally created for the game of roulette but I see it is suitable for baccarat as well.

Again, thank you very much for sharing it with us.
Cheers!!
Ps. I will change my game to roulette should it hold up better than the baccarat...

sentinel3

Quote from: Ted009 on Jan 30, 12:46 AM 2018
Hi, Sentinel3,
Truly appreciated your prompt reply. I am glad I did not do anything wrong. I like to track the three EC's as suggested by you and I find it working well, too. I am a baccarat player, and I find it a consistent winner as well. I will use it at the land based casino next month. I know this PB is originally created for the game of roulette but I see it is suitable for baccarat as well.

Again, thank you very much for sharing it with us.
Cheers!!
Ps. I will change my game to roulette should it hold up better than the baccarat...
Baccarat fascinates me. I would like an example of a game applying pattern breaker to it. When you have the chance. I think CHT uses pattern breaker for baccarat too.

But ive never understood how you would play a game??

Andre Chass

@sentinel3

Do you track the three EC's at the same time? And do you bet all the three?
Can you give an example?

What progression do you use and how many session pee day?

Id like to test it using a 10, 20, 40 step progression

Nothing ventured, nothing gained...

Ted009

Sentinel3,

I use the 8 Banker/ Player combination patterns like your EC's and apply the same tracking until all the 7 patterns showing up and only one pattern is left and then bet against that pattern. I treat the Tie hand as the 0 in roulette. So if it is PPT, I just did not record that pattern. The same as BTP or BTB, etc.
My suggestion to you is keep playing the roulette. Why fix it if it ain't broken, hehe?
I have played baccarat for over 16 years and I am not ready to give it up as yet- especially with this PB discovery. This PB is only good for players who have the most disciplines and patience or this PB is no good, IMO.
Cheers!!






sentinel3

Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 30, 01:10 AM 2018
@sentinel3

Do you track the three EC's at the same time? And do you bet all the three?
Can you give an example?

What progression do you use and how many session pee day?

Id like to test it using a 10, 20, 40 step progression
Yes Andre all three at the same time.

But you go with the first qualifier ONLY. This is proving to have two advantages. Higher hit rate.

And faster games. No game ever takes more than 48 spins to qualify since ive been doing this. I used to sometimes wait over 80 spins for RED BLACK to get down to pattern 8.

HHHâ– 
HHL
HLLâ– 
HLHâ– 
LLL
LLH
LHHâ– 
LHLâ– 

RRRâ– 
RRB
RBBâ– 
RBRâ– 
BBBâ– 
BBRâ– 
BRR
BRBâ– 

EEEâ– 
EEOâ– 
EOOâ– 
EOEâ– 
OOOâ– 
OOEâ– 
OEE🛑----39 SPINS bet EOO
OEOâ– 

See in the example above Andre. I tracked all three simultaneously. ODD EVEN. qualified by spin 39 first.

So the wheel has selected my bet. I now proceed to bet EOO. Stop at a win or loss.

Using the original 1 2 4 prog. The hit rate has risen and the speed of games qualifying. Im a liking this alot.

I play 5 to 10 games a day. Never more than ten..And its really working. Profit is coming, bankroll is growing...


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