*PATTERN BREAKER*

[RouletteGhost]

I take it for baccarat the wait is an hour or less

If you use $100 units then go for one to two wins a day. Couple of times a week

After a few months pay some bills off or go on a nice vacation

while using pattern breaker make sure it’s disposable money you can afford to lose. Nothing in roulette is guaranteed. Not even silly “flawed wheel AP”

[Roulettebeater]

I take it for baccarat the wait is an hour or less

If you use $100 units then go for one to two wins a day. Couple of times a week

After a few months pay some bills off or go on a nice vacation

while using pattern breaker make sure it’s disposable money you can afford to lose. Nothing in roulette is guaranteed. Not even silly “flawed wheel AP”

It seems promising, why u don't invest the profits?  in a few years you will be able to travel to Mars instead to the  Maldives!

[Andre Chass]

With the Tie interrupting the pattern I do not ignore it and I think it does break the pattern. If you ignore it then I think there may be more instances where the pattern may continue. So it would be a good test to see if all losses occur when a tie has been involved.

Also, I have come across situations where I get a trigger PBB PBB PB and then start betting against BPB and the first or second steps is a Tie. In this case Andre advises he treats it as a loss. So in the First Step you get your money back but in the 2nd step you lost the 1st bet. I personally do not keep betting because I do not know whether I should repeat the  step or treat it as a loss and go to the next step. So I don't bet at all. I am not sure what Andre does in this case

Cheers,
Ricky

Hi Ricky

I NEVER ignore the tie. I treat it as a loss and reset the game.

The tie breaks the pattern.

As I said before I've never seen the patterns BPP or PBB forming for 4 times.

And it works only playing baccarat. Never try it playing Roulette because of the never ending variance.

Hugs

[Andre Chass]

Andre,
I found it inside my 30 attacks test, as stated in a previous post.
I must say that I don't track Ties so I don't know if this have big influence or not, in this test.
I played as ties not existed.
A

Hi

If you ignore the Tie you probably gonna loose.

[cht]

Hi Ricky

I NEVER ignore the tie. I treat it as a loss and reset the game.

The tie breaks the pattern.

If tie is ignored there're more losers.

As I said before I've never seen the patterns BPP or PBB forming for 4 times.

On average over 100shoes it appears 1-2 times.

And it works only playing baccarat. Never try it playing Roulette because of the never ending variance.

For roulette you add one more sequence,  RBBRBBRBBRB.

Hugs

[Winner]

I power tested Pattern Breaker. There is no way to make it work other than analyzing the conditions and placing bets that look safe to bet. For example you might be needing to bet against an HHH losing. So you would place a LLL bet during a L streak.

100 thousand sessions, 63 spins per session, American Wheel - 0/00

Results:
Wins = 84,515
Losses = 15,485
Double Losses = 2,319
Triple Losses = 342

this is interesting.

[Ricky]

Hi Ricky

I NEVER ignore the tie. I treat it as a loss and reset the game.

The tie breaks the pattern.

As I said before I've never seen the patterns BPP or PBB forming for 4 times.

And it works only playing baccarat. Never try it playing Roulette because of the never ending variance.

Hugs

Hi Andre,
whats your win:loss record so far? How many opportunities are you getting to bet per day? As mentioned I am only able to track 2 shoes at a time and finding it hard to spot a complete trigger. What I am finding is the pattern starts to form 5-6-7 hands of the 8 hands. So I am seeing a lot of BPP BP or BPP BPP or BPP BPP B but rarely I am seeing the full BPP BPP PB. The last one I had I got a loss and a Tie so as per your rules I ended up losing 1 unit but it was not a TRUE loss as the pattern did not continue. So The only way to avoid this is to Back the Tie on the 2nd and 3rd bet. Are you doing this? If not have you experienced the same situation and just accepted the loss?

Now, to continue the discussion on this betting method and how we can improve our betting opportunities knowing the 8 pattern trigger is rare is to, what would be the risk:reward of starting to bet when we see 6/8 of the pattern completed. There will be more betting opportunities but will we risk betting when the full pattern is due to trigger? The risk of finding this pattern has increased as we are placing a bet but if we use a safer progression maybe it would be worth while betting sooner and hopefully catching one of the many occasions where the full pattern fails to complete to the 8th hand. I have been seeing this with 1 euro using martingale 1-2 for risk of 3 euro and have won. So if you would normally bet 30 euro after seeing the trigger of the 8 sequence PBB PBB PB or BPP PBB PB and you lose your 2 inital small bets then you have reached the triger and can start betting 30-30-90 with confidence. But if you win the initial 1-2 bet that means the full trigger did not form and you are up 1 euro. Obviously you can increase this bet size according to your level of risk but you will get more betting opportunities that could add up to the same or more profit than waiting for the full 8 pattern sequence and betting once.

Anyone have thoughts on this idea?
Cheers,
Ricky

[psimoes]

That is a smart idea!

[atlantis]

I recently came across this progression for baccarat and wondered if it could be applied to PB games..?

This progression can only be used with systems that tend to get wins in clusters.

This progression is designed to be non-explosive.
It is designed to take advantage of small clusters of wins.
If you want to play it more aggressive then you can.
Your aggression level is up to you.

The Highest bet that you will make is 2 units until you reach +23 units.

There are 2 phases to the progression:

Phase 1:
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1, 1.5, 1, 1.5 until you reach +3 units.

You will bet 1 unit. If you win the 1 unit bet then you will bet 1.5 units. If you lose the 1 unit bet, then you continue betting 1u until you get a win.
If you lose 3 bets in a row, you will stop until you get a virtual win, then return back to 1 unit.

If you win the 1 unit bet then you bet 1.5 units. If you win the 1.5 unit bet then you drop down to 1 unit. If you lose the 1.5 unit bet then you continue betting 1.5 units until you get a win.

If you lose 3 times in a row then you stop, wait for a virtual win, then continue betting at 1 unit. So you drop from 1.5 to 1 unit.

Play this way until you make 3 units. So you want to hit +3 units.

As soon as you make 3 units you have two options. Option 1 - quit. Option 2 - move to the second stage.

Phase 2:
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1.5, 2 units

This works the same as phase 1 but you play until you add 4 units on to your profit.

When you add 4 units, you should be at least +7 units.

You can either stop playing or drop back down to phase 1 then continue the phase 1, phase 2 cycle.

When you reach +23 units, you will begin to use bigger bets.

Later Phases
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Phase 3 will be; 2, 2.5;
Phase 4 will be 2.5, 3;
and so on...........

Your stop-loss will be between -5 to -9 units. Your win goal will be between 3-7 units.

If you have trouble playing in .5 units then you can make phase 1 be 1,2 and phase 2 be 2,3.

This progression is about locking up your profits and taking advantage of the strings of wins, while keeping losses small.
For this reason, it is important to have a solid bet selection.

Anyway there it is. Maybe it worth a look at in conjunction with PB play?

A.

[ozon]

Such a loose concept.
If we play against a rare pattern, and we want to simplify the matter, we know that a long series of chops are quite rare, Here we are looking for a patern made of 8 EC and if it will be played out we will break the series. Such a sequence is simpler to observe on baccarat history boards
Playing nonstop we have no chance.
But using 1-1-3 progression and hitnrun , playing only the first patern we see then  break , we may be able to minimize the chances of hitting a bad sequence.
  I still think that this is a losing concept, but being lucky you can get far in the winning wave.

[RouletteGhost]

I have an idea with what Ricky said

I have a question for those  playing pattern breaker

When you have two patterns remaining have you ever seen those two patterns hit back to back?

Let’s say you cross off your patterns as they come

Now you have left:
PBB
BPB

Have you ever seen that hit back to back?

I know with pattern breaker there’s a lot of waiting. I know they have the same chance as any other pattern hitting. So just curious

If the system is very powerful you can begin to bet when two patterns remain. Perhaps a 1 2 4 8 only on the first 2 bets of each pattern stopping on a win

Remains:

BPP
BBP
Now bet against it

[Kattila]

Such a loose concept.
If we play against a rare pattern, and we want to simplify the matter, we know that a long series of chops are quite rare, Here we are looking for a patern made of 8 EC and if it will be played out we will break the series. Such a sequence is simpler to observe on baccarat history boards
Playing nonstop we have no chance.
But using 1-1-3 progression and hitnrun , playing only the first patern we see then  break , we may be able to minimize the chances of hitting a bad sequence.
  I still think that this is a losing concept, but being lucky you can get far in the winning wave.

[psimoes]

The one thing I see that could kill that is that just like when youre tracking you get a lot of repeating patterns, you might face one or more of those patterns hitting beteeen the 7th and the 8th. If JL's original has some value is right down to those repeating patterns. By betting just against the last pattern, youre in fact begging for those repeaters to hit, and since they will be equal to the patterns that already hit, and different from the 8th, the best possible result is a win.

[Ricky]

The one thing I see that could kill that is that just like when you're tracking you get a lot of repeating patterns.

Hi psimoes,
In regards to the last two patterns remaining I have seen each pattern hit exactly once right up to the last pattern. It was really weird. I dared not bet against the last one with a high bet unit so just put a token 1 euro bet in case it failed to match the last. I think I won it on the 2nd spin. But it really goes to show you never know what random is going to dish up. So the only thing you can control is your PATIENCE, DISCIPLINE and bankroll. So if you stick to the same system as your disciplined play then you can't go wrong.

Now having said that I am looking at a possible RECOVERY option other than increasing my bets to 2-4 for 2 games. I have been thinking what is a "SAFE" way to recover a 1-2 progression bet that has failed for 2-3 times in a row or three times in the last 5 or six sessions causing your bankroll to track sideways or slightly backwards.

So I have been working on a method of play based on what you just said with patterns repeating while your waiting for the 7th pattern to close. Now I would only use this method when needing to recover 5 or more units as it has some risk but as long as we get repeats is less risky than putting all your eggs in one basket hoping that the next session you start betting breaks the losing run.

When the 8 patterns start to close there are less patterns available for random to choose from. So for each spin there will be a HL/RB/OE chosen for spin 1, spin 2 and then spin 3 to make the new pattern.

If we look for instances where the wheel  has only one choice of any of the E/C options eg at the start of the pattern 4 patterns have closed starting with "R". So for the next pattern to close in the next 3 spins a "B" needs to spin first. A "R" would guarantee a repeat of one of the 4 patterns already closed.

Now if you look at the remaining patterns for all the E/C you may get to a scenario where at any point in the 3 spins there is only one option left for ALL E/C (usually happens starting from the 7 set of 3 spins). So if we bet that the respective E/C will repeat(so AGAINST the patterns that are still open) for the respective spin 1,2 or 3 then we need to get 2/3 of these bets correct we have recovered one. If we get all three bets correct we have recovered 3 units. But if we lose 2 or 3 of the bets then we lose 1 or 3 more  units respectively.

In this bet I also cover the Zero.

The advantage of putting on this bet while waiting is that our bets are spread across all three E/C and thus the risk is spread.

to give an example of how this would work let use a simple example of patterns already closed off

BBB HHH EEE
BBR HHL EEO
BRB HLH EOE
BRR HLL EOO
RBB LHH OEE
RBR LHL OEO
RRB LLH OOE
RRR LLL OOO

The above is a simplistic scenario but not one that happens often. But I think it will illustrate the point.  The closed patterns are shown with a strikethrough
Now you can see that 4 patterns have been marked off each E/C and it so happens they are all patterns starting with B L and E.

So when the next first spin of the sequence is due to spin, we can bet BLE and cover Zero. If any pattern starts to repeat we will win this respective E/C bet. For a new pattern to close would require the BL or E to result.

If 10B hits we win 3 units as we got all 3 right

If 11B hits we win 2 units but lost 1 unit as it was an E so win 1 unit overall.

If 33B hit  we lose 2 units but win 1 unit with R so we lose 1 unit overall.

If 23R hit we lose 3 units and win 0

If I place 5 euro on each E/C I place 1 euro on Zero so I only lose a small amount of my profit of increase my loss slightly on a losing position but if zero hits I win 36 units less 15 units which is equivalent to a win on all three E/C bets

The way I see this working is we are using random to navigate through the gates created by closing the 1-7 patterns before the final patterns remain. So even though these bets are guesses that a pattern would start to repeat, we are betting using the random pattern itself so our bets are logical. We are not guessing H/L or O/E or B/R at a flip of the coin, we are using the remaining open gates to bet that random cannot navigate through at least two of the open ones to beat us. Sometime it will but other times it won't be able to do any. The more gates or pathways that are closed the higher the chance we will win so maybe best to only use this when a few paths are remaining or when all three E/C options create a betting opportunity. I have tried this with betting 2 of the 3 E/C and its 50/50 whether I win 2 units, break even or lose 2 units.

So the risk of losing is reduced because we need 2/3  correct to  win and as long as we win one we have a small loss.

Now when it comes to recovering from this situation I have then started going a 1-1-3 bet for each losing bet which means I got at least 2 wrong on a step. So then I look at then next step and see if there are at least 2 gates still open where I can bet against it for the one I got wrong. If any step has both sides of the E/C open then I do not bet.

Hope this method makes sense. Its something you can test and we whether you can come up with sound rules when you might use it while waiting for PB to close the 7th pattern.

As I said I only use it when I need to recover after several losses in a row. It has been a safer way to recover for me than increasing my bet size. I'll keep testing it myself to see if I can improve on the idea or use it only in certain situations when we are challenging random to make that last patter that he hasn't been able to close for the last couple of times.

Cheers,
Ricky

[Ricky]

If 11B hits we win 2 units but lost 1 unit as it was an E so win 1 unit overall.

If 33B hit  we lose 2 units but win 1 unit with R so we lose 1 unit overall.

apologies the above example should read
If 11B hits we win 2 units but lost 1 unit as it was an O so win 1 unit overall.

If 33B hit  we lose 2 units but win 1 unit with B so we lose 1 unit overall.