*PATTERN BREAKER*

[psimoes]

No offense, but you right too much. I´m sorry I can´t read all that. The idea in your previous post is pretty good. I´d stick with it.

regards

[Roulettebeater]

I take it for baccarat the wait is an hour or less

If you use $100 units then go for one to two wins a day. Couple of times a week

After a few months pay some bills off or go on a nice vacation

while using pattern breaker make sure it’s disposable money you can afford to lose. Nothing in roulette is guaranteed. Not even silly “flawed wheel AP”

Hold on a bit, can a croupier at baccarat makes you lose ?
Can the casino shit in bacarrat ? I saw last time that the cards are being ordered  by another croupier before they can be dealt.

[Andre Chass]

Hi Andre,
whats your win:loss record so far? How many opportunities are you getting to bet per day? As mentioned I am only able to track 2 shoes at a time and finding it hard to spot a complete trigger. What I am finding is the pattern starts to form 5-6-7 hands of the 8 hands. So I am seeing a lot of BPP BP or BPP BPP or BPP BPP B but rarely I am seeing the full BPP BPP PB. The last one I had I got a loss and a Tie so as per your rules I ended up losing 1 unit but it was not a TRUE loss as the pattern did not continue. So The only way to avoid this is to Back the Tie on the 2nd and 3rd bet. Are you doing this? If not have you experienced the same situation and just accepted the loss?

Now, to continue the discussion on this betting method and how we can improve our betting opportunities knowing the 8 pattern trigger is rare is to, what would be the risk:reward of starting to bet when we see 6/8 of the pattern completed. There will be more betting opportunities but will we risk betting when the full pattern is due to trigger? The risk of finding this pattern has increased as we are placing a bet but if we use a safer progression maybe it would be worth while betting sooner and hopefully catching one of the many occasions where the full pattern fails to complete to the 8th hand. I have been seeing this with 1 euro using martingale 1-2 for risk of 3 euro and have won. So if you would normally bet 30 euro after seeing the trigger of the 8 sequence PBB PBB PB or BPP PBB PB and you lose your 2 inital small bets then you have reached the triger and can start betting 30-30-90 with confidence. But if you win the initial 1-2 bet that means the full trigger did not form and you are up 1 euro. Obviously you can increase this bet size according to your level of risk but you will get more betting opportunities that could add up to the same or more profit than waiting for the full 8 pattern sequence and betting once.

Anyone have thoughts on this idea?
Cheers,
Ricky

Hi Ricky

How about discipline and patience. Are you losing it?

A fisherman stands at the riverfront  for hours waiting for the big fish to be hooked. And that's what this gameplay is all about.

Today to win $100 I had to wait for almost two hours. I play around 5 hours a day. Playing is my job.

I never had a TRUE loss. I have losses when the Tie appears and I accept it.

If you are experiencing difficulties to get the full trigger I suggest you change your way of play.

Come back using the 4 triggers:

BPP BPP BP
PBB PBB PB
BBP BBP BB
PPB PPB PP

or instead waiting for the full trigger of 8 get 7:

BPP BPP B
PBB PBB P

If you don't wanna wasting time breaking even I suggest the 1, 2, 4 progression.

Keep in mind this strategy you have to bet big to be worth the waiting time.

And watch the video and do that... Lol. Just to relax

link:s://youtu.be/C_on39tAPYw

[Andre Chass]

Also, I do not think the PB ANDRE's version can be used on Roulette for the reasons I stated that this seemingly rare pattern in Baccarat is influenced by ONE random event for the whole shoe. So to lose betting against this combination repeating 4 times you are betting against that 1 random event of the shoes being shuffled in a certain order.

With Roulette you are dealing with a random event every spin and each spin is 50/50 probability it will go one way or the other. So it is more likely to see a lot of RBB RBB RBB RBB just as it is to see BBB BBB BBB BBBB.

Cheers,
Ricky

You got it!

Roulette has a never ending variance.

[Ricky]

Hi Ricky

How about discipline and patience. Are you losing it?

A fisherman stands at the riverfront  for hours waiting for the big fish to be hooked. And that's what this gameplay is all about.

Today to win $100 I had to wait for almost two hours. I play around 5 hours a day. Playing is my job.

I never had a TRUE loss. I have losses when the Tie appears and I accept it.

If you are experiencing difficulties to get the full trigger I suggest you change your way of play.

Come back using the 4 triggers:

BPP BPP BP
PBB PBB PB
BBP BBP BB
PPB PPB PP

or instead waiting for the full trigger of 8 get 7:

BPP BPP B
PBB PBB P

If you don't wanna wasting time breaking even I suggest the 1, 2, 4 progression.

Keep in mind this strategy you have to bet big to be worth the waiting time.

And watch the video and do that... Lol. Just to relax

link:s://youtu.be/C_on39tAPYw

Hi Andre,
thanks for your feedback. Unfortunately for me need to do the day job and playing PB is my second job. But Baccarat is something Im still exploring the optimal solution based on what we collectively know. So its good to see that the 8 pattern is still holding up. I totally agree with you once you do find that pattern you need to extract maximum value out of it and be betting high value bets. For the amount of time taken to find it 100+ is required. I'm not there yet so am looking at what other ways we can make smaller wins without increasing the risk greatly but gain the same result sooner in preference to waiting 5 hours. So I think looking for shorter patterns and betting they don't complete to the full pattern with smaller base bets is a valid option.

In parallel to Baccarat I have my roulette BOT which I am optimizing. Good thing about it is it is running DISCIPLINED and with PATIENCE protecting my bankroll and making profits while I sleep and work so this is my ultimate solution. But I need to test these rules in live play before I can code them.

What we seriously need to implement your method of play is a Baccarat BOT that can play on any online casino. RX BOT has shown you can do this with Roulette so I am sure there is a reliable equivalent for Baccarat. Then you have it made. You get your time back and know you have a robust system to rely on making your income. This is true passive income

Cheers,
Ricky

[Ricky]

For a new pattern to close would require the BL or E to result.

apologies another typo spotted which may have caused further confusion. This should read

For a new pattern to close would require the RH or O to result.

Apolgogies also for the long post. I thought it needed a full explanation to show exactly what I'm doing for an alternate recovery method using the same PB concept where we have some further betting opportunities while the patterns are being closed off but also to reduce the risk by betting on 3 E/C simultaneously and get up to 3 chances to make a profit but minimise the loss on the failure of one of the E/C

Cheers,
Ricky

[Ricky]

No offense, but you right too much. I´m sorry I can´t read all that. The idea in your previous post is pretty good. I´d stick with it.

regards

Hi psimoes, No offense taken. I know I tend to write a lot. Will be slowing down as I settle down in my routine 100 games over 10 days. But, as I am sure many here have done, we are always looking for better ways to play PB. And given Baccarat is a new addition to its success including playing against the seemingly rare two patterns  Andre has identified, there is always room to explore how we can beat random at its own game.

But just to add to my latest long post idea, it is working for me so far during my recoveries and does not require a martingale progression just flat betting. Sometime I lose it but I make up for it on the next opportunity especially when I catch the Zero.

Cheers,
Ricky

[DoctorSudoku]

Hi guys,

14 days ago I have had small surgery, but as it happens sometimes, 7 days ago I was taken to hospital with wound infection and apparently if they waited few more hours to operate, I wouldn't be here with you anymore. Just arrived home and hardly have energy to write this, will take few weeks to recover to reasonable stage. So my apologies to all of you who messaged me and who are waiting for excel sheet I've promised to send. Will do as soon as I can
I am glad to see the whole team is still working at solutions and people are getting good results. In hospital, when not drugged up too much I used wizard of oz's baccarat for testing few different MM's and ways of play.

@ Dr Sudoku and CHT...yes , once again 1,2 proves to be the best option with most profit, as I thought . In my case I win most of the times on first, and half of the time on second hit. Third one is not worth. So even simulation replicated my real games scores.

@Andre......I am NOT surprised with your results...seriously I can't see many losses with the way you play, happening. Even if they do , it will be so rare. Glad to see you are making money. Oh and glad to see people calling your way PB Andre system...remember I was first who said you deserve that to be named after you hehe

@Ricky......Man....don't give up on creating new ideas , you are great at it my friend

The other ways of play I have toyed with were :

-   Play Against third repeat of set of fours...not bad results at all (few different options with MM)
-   As I have all patterns of 3 written down for PB ready to be crossed, I decided to play continuously for and against those patterns in that order, and results were pretty much the same as original PB, maybe little less win/loss ratio but faster play. I used 1,2 progression, 1,2,3 progression and used flat bet on only first bet. Even that one had good win/loss ratio.

You see...when in hospital you have time to go crazy

Keep winning ans sharing guys, I am soo happy to see you succeed. Talk soon

Glad to hear that you are doing better.

Life is fragile -- and, in critical medical emergencies, you start realizing the thin line that exists between living and not living.

As for playing against the third repeat of the set of fours, it is certainly a question of MM -- in particular, the length of the progression that you are going to use.

Anything longer than 3 steps makes me leery because of past actual experience. 

The question is this: can you realistically play the strategy using a 3-stepper?

If yes, which one do you prefer?

[DoctorSudoku]

I recently came across this progression for baccarat and wondered if it could be applied to PB games..?

This progression can only be used with systems that tend to get wins in clusters.

This progression is designed to be non-explosive.
It is designed to take advantage of small clusters of wins.
If you want to play it more aggressive then you can.
Your aggression level is up to you.

The Highest bet that you will make is 2 units until you reach +23 units.

There are 2 phases to the progression:

Phase 1:
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1, 1.5, 1, 1.5 until you reach +3 units.

You will bet 1 unit. If you win the 1 unit bet then you will bet 1.5 units. If you lose the 1 unit bet, then you continue betting 1u until you get a win.
If you lose 3 bets in a row, you will stop until you get a virtual win, then return back to 1 unit.

If you win the 1 unit bet then you bet 1.5 units. If you win the 1.5 unit bet then you drop down to 1 unit. If you lose the 1.5 unit bet then you continue betting 1.5 units until you get a win.

If you lose 3 times in a row then you stop, wait for a virtual win, then continue betting at 1 unit. So you drop from 1.5 to 1 unit.

Play this way until you make 3 units. So you want to hit +3 units.

As soon as you make 3 units you have two options. Option 1 - quit. Option 2 - move to the second stage.

Phase 2:
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1.5, 2 units

This works the same as phase 1 but you play until you add 4 units on to your profit.

When you add 4 units, you should be at least +7 units.

You can either stop playing or drop back down to phase 1 then continue the phase 1, phase 2 cycle.

When you reach +23 units, you will begin to use bigger bets.

Later Phases
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Phase 3 will be; 2, 2.5;
Phase 4 will be 2.5, 3;
and so on...........

Your stop-loss will be between -5 to -9 units. Your win goal will be between 3-7 units.

If you have trouble playing in .5 units then you can make phase 1 be 1,2 and phase 2 be 2,3.

This progression is about locking up your profits and taking advantage of the strings of wins, while keeping losses small.
For this reason, it is important to have a solid bet selection.

Anyway there it is. Maybe it worth a look at in conjunction with PB play?

A.

Great post. Definitely provides food for thought -- thanks for sharing it with us (that is what a forum ideally is for !)

I like "grinders" like this. Being a very conservative bettor, as soon as I make 3 units, I would probably do what option no. 1 recommends.

Locking up profits (that you have actually made) and doing your level best to take your profits home  is the key point of this method and so option no. 1 is a very reasonable thing to do in that regard.

[sentinel3]

Ricky do you know if the way Sentinel plays does he bet against RRR - BBB - RBR - BRB if it is the last remaining pattern?
or does he avoid these patterns like you and Andre?

Just asking you cause I haven't seen Sentinel active on the forum much lately.

Thanks.

Good morning Ghandi

To anwser your question. I play whatever is left as the final 8th pattern. Makes no difference whether its LLL OR HHH.

I believe and depend on the unshakeable overall strikerate. I have been presented with since June 2007.

And that is 89--11 to 94--06 for a 100 game set. My worst and best results.

Just finished a set. And the result was 93--07. And two of the 7 losses were HHH. Its all par for the course. I also had one double loss. And responded accordingly on the third game. By betting enough to recover half the total loss of those two games.

This was followed by a winning streak of 12 games. Which put me firmly back in profit.

You can only gain this level of confidence over time. When you see the same kind of splits happening again and again and AGAIN.

89--11
92--08
90--10
94--06
91--09

When you see these kind of 100 game splits happen over 100 times. You doubt no more.

[Ricky]

Keep in mind this strategy you have to bet big to be worth the waiting time.

Hi Sentinel,
Great post that puts everything back into perspective. One question. When you get your double loss and have played your ten games for the day. Do you do your recovery sessions the next day and accept that you had a loss that day or do you try to recover in the same day on the very next sessions? This is important because it tests both your PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE to only play your fixed set per day.

Cheers,
Ricky

[Winner]

Good morning Ghandi

To anwser your question. I play whatever is left as the final 8th pattern. Makes no difference whether its LLL OR HHH.

I believe and depend on the unshakeable overall strikerate. I have been presented with since June 2007.

And that is 89--11 to 94--06 for a 100 game set. My worst and best results.

Just finished a set. And the result was 93--07. And two of the 7 losses were HHH. Its all par for the course. I also had one double loss. And responded accordingly on the third game. By betting enough to recover half the total loss of those two games.

This was followed by a winning streak of 12 games. Which put me firmly back in profit.

You can only gain this level of confidence over time. When you see the same kind of splits happening again and again and AGAIN.

89--11
92--08
90--10
94--06
91--09

When you see these kind of 100 game splits happen over 100 times. You doubt no more.

My question is if your getting those results since 07  ,and again I have played this and tested it to no end and never ever came close to those results  from 07 my self .
If a system is is that good and results should be the same for every one but I don't see a lot of other players getting the same.

[Joe]

If a system is is that good and results should be the same for every one but I don't see a lot of other players getting the same.

That's right, other players should be replicating JL's results if the system is really as good as he says, but they're not (as my simulation showed). So either JL has been incredibly lucky, or he's winding everyone up. You decide. 

[cht]

That's right, other players should be replicating JL's results if the system is really as good as he says, but they're not (as my simulation showed). So either JL has been incredibly lucky, or he's winding everyone up. You decide. 

Incredibly lucky since 07 ? 

Andre Chass has never seen a 'real' loss.

I have seen losses, lots of them actually. 

[Joe]

 

Incredibly lucky since 07 ?

Right, there's your answer.