*PATTERN BREAKER*

[Andre Chass]

Hi everyone,

I'd like to know if anyone knows where I can find a free bot.

I'll appreciate it.

[ego]

sentinel3 and DoctorSudoku

I just want to show you both a way i been thinking to test.

sentinel3 you bet 3 6 12 once for the day then lower your bet size - that is regression and i love it

DoctorSudoku you know that 122 and 113 is the same amount of units and the last won win, break even and win again with out losing.

Now i been thinking about what sentinel3 wrote about strikes - over 30 in a row - then i think what would happen if he operated with casino money and use a positiv progression - you would hit the table limits  :-)

Look at this example where i risk money during two attacks and after that operate with casino money.
First 5 10 20 and 3 6 12

After that you staking 113 and after winning one unit +1 you add it to the progression 123 and after winning once more +1 you add the winnings to the progression 124. After that you bet higher base bet and repeat the formula with 226 and after winning +2 units add them to the progression 246 and after that 248, you get the idea.

At left is the progression or staking plan - in the middle is the winnings growing larger and last you see what you keep as winnings if you lose.
The progressions name is Regression Up & Pull

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5 10 20 +5
3 6 12 +8
1 1 3 +9 +4 Operate with casino money
1 2 3 +10 +4
1 2 4 +11 +4
2 2 6 +13 +3
2 4 6 +15 +3
2 4 8 +17 +3
3 3 9 +20 +5
3 6 9 +23 +5
3 6 12 +26 +5
4 4 12 +30 +10
4 8 12 +34 +10
4 8 16 +38 +10
5 5 15 +43 +18
5 10 15 +48 +18
5 10 20 +53 +18


Cheers

[DoctorSudoku]

sentinel3 and DoctorSudoku

I just want to show you both a way i been thinking to test.

sentinel3 you bet 3 6 12 once for the day then lower your bet size - that is regression and i love it

DoctorSudoku you know that 122 and 113 is the same amount of units and the last won win, break even and win again with out losing.

At left is the progression or staking plan - in the middle is the winnings growing larger and last you see what you keep as winnings if you lose.
The progressions name is Regression Up & Pull

Patrik,
Yes, I have several of John Patrick's books and so I am definitely familiar with his Regression Up and Pull idea.

I actually  use his basic regression idea for some betting schemes that I use in baccarat and craps (two games that I  feel more comfortable playing -- from a psychological perspective -- than roulette).

Yes, I will definitely give your above suggestions some thought in applying it to Pattern Breaker. Thanks for your suggestion !

[ego]

DoctorSudoku thanks for sharing your experience - but i going to be honest that i feel not good staking 5 10 20 and 3 6 12 - to much money and hard to recover if you lose once.

But still i want to use Regression Up & Pull and try to rap my mind around different solutions.

Maybe 2 2 6 and then after one win add it to next level 2 4 6 and add next win to 2 4 8.
Then you risk 10 and profit +6 and could lower to 1 1 3 and operate with casino money.

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2 2 6 +2
2 4 6 +4
2 4 8 +6

1 1 3 +7 +2
1 2 3 +8 +2
1 2 4 +9 +2

2 2 6 +11 +1
2 4 6 +12 +0
2 4 8 +14 +0

3 3 9 +17 +2
3 6 9 +20 +2
3 6 12  +23 +2

4 4 12 +27 +7
4 8 12  +31 +7
4 8 16  +35 +7


[sentinel3]

DoctorSudoku thanks for sharing your experience - but i going to be honest that i feel not good staking 5 10 20 and 3 6 12 - to much money and hard to recover if you lose once.

But still i want to use Regression Up & Pull and try to rap my mind around different solutions.

Maybe 2 2 6 and then after one win add it to next level 2 4 6 and add next win to 2 4 8.
Then you risk 10 and profit +6 and could lower to 1 1 3 and operate with casino money.

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2 2 6 +2
2 4 6 +4
2 4 8 +6

1 1 3 +7 +2
1 2 3 +8 +2
1 2 4 +9 +2

2 2 6 +11 +1
2 4 6 +12 +0
2 4 8 +14 +0

3 3 9 +17 +2
3 6 9 +20 +2
3 6 12  +23 +2

4 4 12 +27 +7
4 8 12  +31 +7
4 8 16  +35 +7


Hello Ego. The risk should be relative to your fighting funds. When i reach a level where my base bet is 5. My fighting fund will be 1000. Thats how you should look at it.

When I began playing Pattern breaker in September. I started carefully with just a bank of 200. If I had lost that bank. I would have let the system go.

But instead the bank has grown to 426 units as of today. So now I have the option to increase the base bet to 2 units. But I am going to wait a little longer. Until im over 450 units.

Then my lowest prog will be 2 4 8=14. Which is less than 1/32 of my fighting funds.

[boyd30]

Tested it using red and black with live spins. First game busted! Maybe I was really unlucky. Maybe it is better to use high and low?

[DoctorSudoku]

Tested it using red and black with live spins. First game busted! Maybe I was really unlucky. Maybe it is better to use high and low?

Did you actually wait for  7 of the 8 patterns to form?

And as soon as the 7th pattern showed up, did you immediately bet AGAINST the 8th pattern from appearing in the next three spins?

[DoctorSudoku]

DoctorSudoku thanks for sharing your experience - but i going to be honest that i feel not good staking 5 10 20 and 3 6 12 - to much money and hard to recover if you lose once.

But still i want to use Regression Up & Pull and try to rap my mind around different solutions.

Maybe 2 2 6 and then after one win add it to next level 2 4 6 and add next win to 2 4 8.
Then you risk 10 and profit +6 and could lower to 1 1 3 and operate with casino money.

Patrik and Sentinel,
Another alternate method to try is this.

For most games/series using this method, you will find that the wins come on the FIRST TWO bets. So another way of playing would be to just target the FIRST TWO bets with a 1 2 progression.

If you lose those two bets, do NOT bet the third spin -- in other words, just accept a 3 unit loss for that particular game/series.

And then wait for the trigger for playing the next game/series (preferably sticking with the 1 2 scheme).

[sentinel3]

Patrik and Sentinel,
Another alternate method to try is this.

For most games/series using this method, you will find that the wins come on the FIRST TWO bets. So another way of playing would be to just target the FIRST TWO bets with a 1 2 progression.

If you lose those two bets, do NOT bet the third spin -- in other words, just accept a 3 unit loss for that particular game/series.

And then wait for the trigger for playing the next game/series (preferably sticking with the 1 2 scheme).

That is true. 351 of my 396 wins have come in the first two spins. So this is a nice idea Doctor. I see what you are getting at here. The most costly bet is the third leg of the prog.

Im going to work out the margin of profit across my results. If we take away all losses and games that needed that third step. If its favourable. I may adopt this tweak. Thank you.

Also because the risk would be less than half. You could double or treble up the stakes to recover lost games. As if they never happened. Very good thinking on this.

[ego]

DoctorSudoku & sentinel3 thanks for the tweak - i will stay with original - i will start playing this method tomorrow and report back to this topic about my experience - the only thing i have a hard time to decide is what kind of staking i should use ...

Cheers

[boyd30]

Did you actually wait for  7 of the 8 patterns to form?

And as soon as the 7th pattern showed up, did you immediately bet AGAINST the 8th pattern from appearing in the next three spins?

Yes, I did.

[DoctorSudoku]

DoctorSudoku & sentinel3 thanks for the tweak - i will stay with original - i will start playing this method tomorrow and report back to this topic about my experience - the only thing i have a hard time to decide is what kind of staking i should use ...

Cheers

Patrik,
It is good that you are testing it. But I want to reiterate that if you play this method continuously, you will end up losing.

I have gotten good results in the last couple of years by playing this method on a hit and run basis NON-CONTINUOUSLY.

So, for instance, I might play this method targeting R/B. 

Then win or lose, I might play a series targeting the O/E.

That's it for the time being -- that is, I will shift to playing some other completely different method.

In other words, I will play this method at the most for two consecutive series.

I might come back to this method after, say, one or two hours -- then maybe I will play a series going for the H/L.

I do NOT recommend playing this method continuously -- it loses like most other methods if you do that (at least that has been my experience so far).

[Belgiangambler]

I have gotten good results in the last couple of years by playing this method on a hit and run basis NON-CONTINUOSLY


what if you start over at another table or is that also considered as continuosly?

[ego]

DoctorSudoku & sentinel3

I had something else in mind using this strategy and convert it into a new way playing Pattern Breaker

How to turn £75 into £5250 or $150 (for those across the ditch into over $10,000) for approx 28 hours of table action. Sound interesting?

YES, you do need a certain element of luck.
Now we know you can't expect to be lucky all the time.

You only need to be lucky for two hours. Yes TWO LOUSY HOURS from the onset, you may not make it all the way, but it won't cost you anything either.
While people do not see eye to eye regarding bet selection, really it is a defensive mechanism, they need to convince themselves more than anybody else. I
n essence bet selection is a lottery. Each bet is a 50/50 bet, what happens after X is a lottery. No worries 'bout what you think, this can also suit your mindset.

Let's revisit a set of 4 column binary tables;

-BBBB
-PBBB
-BPBB
-PPBB
-BBPB
-PBPB
-BPPB
-PPPB
-BBBP
-PBBP
-BPBP
-PPBP
-BBPP
-PBPP
-BPPP
-PPPP

Note I have numbered all possible outcomes. Your aim using a 4 step martingale is to play 10 columns per day, less than ONE SHOE per day maximum and to avoid any 4 column loss.

For those that the progression Martingale leaves a bad taste, bear in mind, the total risk is the initial £75 or $150, if you can't afford to risk that amount, then read no further, or remind yourself of the 5 g's or 10k plus potential..

Your aim is to make 10 units per day (maybe 11 if you want to cater for the tax, or maybe you might choose to wear that small cost), not a dime more. Your aim is to repeat this for 7 days straight, remember, your exposure is minimum as you will not play more than 40 or 44 hands any one day. Any 4 column loss and you quit. You need to avoid any 4 column loss for the first TWO DAYS ONLY, >> less than one shoe per day <<

Should you lose 4 hands on the bounce on the third day, you will still be in profit. Should you manage to not lose for SEVEN days, on the second week, you double your unit size, should you lose when you double your unit size, you are still in profit. Again repeat the exercise for the next seven days.

NOTE* you can withstand two losses per week and still remain in profit, this excludes the first two days. Your odds of losing 4 bets in a row is less than 6%, which means your odds of winning a bet in any four bet sequence is just over 93%. Should you manage to avoid any 4 column loss during the second week, again you double your unit value from £10 or $20, should you lose on day 15, you are still in profit. You just lost £300 but made £700 the previous week, how you determine the stake level for tomorrow is up to you, either drop down or press on, you can withstand 2 losing days per week. If you have made it this far and only played 10 or 11 (due to tax) columns of 4 for the last 21 days and avoided defeat you double your betting amount for the final time.

NOTE* thus far this whole exercise has been SELF FUNDING. Should you manage to avoid losing 4 in a row for the final week, you have just turned your initial stake of £75 into £5250 for approx 28 hours of table play, or $150 into over $10000, that's about 4 days work.

Week 1 - goal target £50 daily, weekly goal £350 - risk £75
Week 2 - goal target £100 daily, weekly goal £700 - risk £150
Week 3 - goal target £200 daily, weekly goal £1400 - risk £300
Week 4 - goal target £400 daily, weekly goal £2800 - risk £600

Maximum Total profit should you avoid 4L within 28 hours is £5250 less tax or for US based players over ten thousand dollars for a $150 stake. Other than the initial stake, IT IS SELF FUNDING.

Now take a deserved break and start again from the bottom. Does what you are currently playing carry a risk? Well so does this, so in this respect things are equal. The risk is limited to £75 or $150, the rewards are greater than what you would ordinarily hope for given the amount of bankroll. If 100 players tried this, not all would be lucky, some would be. All that matters is surviving the first two days.

OK - the bet selection; It really doesn't matter, either mathematically or logically. If you believe in trending, then wait for one column of four and use the bet selection SAME. If you don't believe in trending maybe use the bet selection OPPOSITE. Random is probably the best. If you don't care either way, maybe choose any one of the above 16 options and stick with it. Mathematically each sequence is suppose to occur once every 60 hands, be aware it doesn't always work out like this.

Maybe put the numbers I have associated with the 4 column options into a hat to determine your bet selection, it really doesn't matter. Perhaps omit the numbers 6 and 11 as these are the most common options for any 4 hand sequence. Don't lose sight of the total risk £75 or $150 and the potential reward. Perhaps play each sequence in numerical order, that is bet option 1 followed by option 2 then option 3 etc. Logically it doesn't make any difference. Should you lose for example on your fourth column, then that is it for that day, come back tomorrow and restart. You need SEVEN clear days of 10 units profit before doubling your playing stake. The risk is carried for the first two days only, after that it is >> SELF FUNDING

You could increase the risk and odds of not losing, by using a 5 column approach. You now have a 96% chance of scoring a win, however you would need to adjust you daily win target to 20 units, and would be playing that a particular 5 hand sequence from 32 possible sequences doesn't hit you for 20 columns.. $150 into over 10 "large" for 4 days effort!!!!!

Should this approach fail inside of the first two day, you would need to win 15 times just to get back to even. Then win another 10 times to progress from first base. If you had a bankroll greater than £75 or $150 you might want to use the balance to construct recovery option for the first two days only. Say you lost 15 units before you make 10 units. You then use the rest of your bankroll to recoup then continue where you left off. Few ways to do this, either use another martingale on top (lots of risk), or double your playing stake and use a Labby to win say 8 units, or possibly a Fibonacci, again to win either 15 units or 8 units if you doubled your initial stake size.

Nothing stopping somebody from playing two sessions per day, then you might achieve your goal in two weeks. Give yourself a decent break in between sessions. Yes I have explored this and I have found associating a numeric value to each of the possible outcomes of a Binary chart, as outlined above playing them simply in order 1,2,3,4 etc. faired best [random versus random]. You are either going to win or lose, the initial stake is not that great. If you decided to play the options sequentially, option 1 is BBBB, you need to decide if you will bet the same as BBBB or the opposite of BBBB, which of course would be would be PPPP, It all works out the same, you're playing with of 15/1 odds no matter what.

Yes IT WILL lose eventually, will you be at the table when it does? Your nemesis has to catch you when you are playing, one of the reasons I state, play less than ONE SHOE per day. Hence the reason make 10 units then bail. It can even lose when you are at the table, however it is the first 2 days which are crucial, after that, so long as you don't get back to back losing days you will be OK, again hence the reason to limit your exposure. It really doesn't matter how you determine your bet selection. £5k or $10k for 28 hours graft, minimal risk "$150", cheaper than a few weeks worth of lottery tickets and better odds.

Don't try and fast track this, by betting every hand, I would suggest that if anybody used other modes of play, that involves betting every hand, it wouldn't work. Losing 4 bets in a row when betting every hand is a whole lot easier than losing 4 bets for any given predetermined column sequence of bets.

The aim is to TRY and turn 75 quid or 150 bucks into £5 bricks or $10 large for 28 hours at the tables. As I stated above, it doesn't really matter if you lose the 3rd day, 2nd stage, 3rd or even the 4th stage, you are STILL IN PROFIT. You need to be lucky for the first two days only, otherwise it is SELF FUNDING. Lose 4 bets in a row and you are done for the day, better for your composure. Survive for a month and restart. Want to decrease the odds of losing?, Increase the risk..

Disclaimer - Gambling can be a risky business, only gamble with what you can afford to lose.

This is from a Baccarat player with the name John - i like the concept and would like to implement Regression Up & Pull and Pattern Breaker with the odds 1 in 8 ...

Cheers

[cht]

Keep up the good work. I have been playing Pattern Breaker (and its variants) on a hit and run basis with considerable success for the last couple of years.

The main problem with this method is that you CANNOT play it continuously at the roulette table.

You have to play it on a hit and run basis -- by that,  I mean I play it for one or two games or series and then move onto some other method. Doing this, I have found that the losses are very few and very far between.

I played it years ago at my b&m casino when ego started a thread on betselection with bacarrat, it didn't work out well. I thought the same to go for 1-2 instead of 1-2-4, it still didn't work. I tried other variants like after 3repeat clusters bet opposite, it still didn't work and many other variants I've forgotten by now. I'm surprise you have good experience for several years playing the original. It must be due to my bad luck that I lose playing real money or perhaps it's not suited for bacarrat.