*PATTERN BREAKER*

[sentinel3]

I have gotten good results in the last couple of years by playing this method on a hit and run basis NON-CONTINUOSLY


what if you start over at another table or is that also considered as continuosly?

I play 5 to 10 games a day. I play my first game 4 to 6am in the morning. And my other games later in the day all online.

Right now that early game is 34 days no loss. I ONLY play red and black.

Heres what i feel. If I ever get to a level where I can make 30 to 50 euro from a single game. I will only play pattern breaker once a day. That early game is phenomenal.

Ive only lost it 4 times in 116 days. The less you play the better. Everybody is in a hurry to get rich
And most end up getting poorer instead. The wheel is a spiteful unforgiving beast.

The less you expose yourself to it the better. If I can make my money for the day from just ONE SPIN. Believe I will take it.

Too many people get into a war with the wheel. The longer you expose yourself to it. The more likely you will lose.

If I play 350 games of Pattern breaker a year. And win 330 of them at 50 euro a game. Believe me im taking that.

So most of you still think you can play all day long and win. Stop kidding yourself. Pattern breaker is a decent hit and run player.

One or two games a day. You will end up on top. Play too much youll be a loser like the other 98% of players.

[Andre Chass]

92 pages of reading? Wow!!!

[cht]

I played it years ago at my b&m casino when ego started a thread on betselection with bacarrat, it didn't work out well. I thought the same to go for 1-2 instead of 1-2-4, it still didn't work. I tried other variants like after 3repeat clusters bet opposite, it still didn't work and many other variants I've forgotten by now. I'm surprise you have good experience for several years playing the original. It must be due to my bad luck that I lose playing real money or perhaps it's not suited for bacarrat. 

This is how I played continuously.

There are 6 locations at my b&m casino with 12-15 baccarat tables each. After playing 1 session at 1 location I move to the next nearby location for the next session and continue to the 6th location before I return to the 1st location if time permits in a 6-7 hours day.

At each location I track a few tables to play the 1st table that showed up for a bet.

I realised much later that the clusters of 3spins depends on when you start at the table. It will be different for everyone as we start from different spins.

I made an excel sheet to demonstrate what I mean and I've filled in the 1st 2 results. You can complete it and change to a new set of spins hitting the F9 key. Or you can paste your real spins onto Column A.

Happy new year everyone and happy and prosperous 2018.

[sentinel3]

This is how I played continuously.

There are 6 locations at my b&m casino with 12-15 baccarat tables each. After playing 1 session at 1 location I move to the next nearby location for the next session and continue to the 6th location before I return to the 1st location if time permits in a 6-7 hours day.

At each location I track a few tables to play the 1st table that showed up for a bet.

I realised much later that the clusters of 3spins depends on when you start at the table. It will be different for everyone as we start from different spins.

I made an excel sheet to demonstrate what I mean and I've filled in the 1st 2 results. You can complete it and change to a new set of spins hitting the F9 key. Or you can paste your real spins onto Column A.

Happy new year everyone and happy and prosperous 2018.

Why are you playing Baccarat when JL created this system for roulette?

[cht]

Why are you playing Baccarat when JL created this system for roulette?

Good question JL.

The local casino has 6 sub-locations of 12-20 tables of baccarat and roulette tables each. I collect continuous data off the result board, for roulette 28spins(2hrs data) at 11/2 intervals covering all sub-locations for 12hrs daily. I stay at the resort paid off by comps and work with a team of regulars separated for roulette and baccarat.

I tested your original system both on roulette and baccarat based on the data collected. The backtest showed that baccarat was slightly better, mostly because of the zero.

A typical roulette spin takes between 3-5 mins whereas a typical baccarat hand takes between 2-2half mins.

The reasons why we chose baccarat.

I tested your system thoroughly with the hope to find there's a positive expectancy that I can make money from. I did not find it. I knew from the outset that I had to be lucky to not bet on the losing tables, only a few team members went ahead and together we lost a couple ten thousands.

Later, ego started a thread on the use of LW registry and we proceeded to play real money with his idea and again we lost another couple of ten thousands, giving a combined loss of close to $100k.

Yes we could have stayed with BR roulette but the data suggested not do proceed with that.

This was one of the real money playing experience with PB years ago that we learnt from and we have progressed from this since.

[sentinel3]

Good question JL.

The local casino has 6 sub-locations of 12-20 tables of baccarat and roulette tables each. I collect continuous data off the result board, for roulette 28spins(2hrs data) at 11/2 intervals covering all sub-locations for 12hrs daily. I stay at the resort paid off by comps and work with a team of regulars separated for roulette and baccarat.

I tested your original system both on roulette and baccarat based on the data collected. The backtest showed that baccarat was slightly better, mostly because of the zero.

A typical roulette spin takes between 3-5 mins whereas a typical baccarat hand takes between 2-2half mins.

The reasons why we chose baccarat.

I tested your system thoroughly with the hope to find there's a positive expectancy that I can make money from. I did not find it. I knew from the outset that I had to be lucky to not bet on the losing tables, only a few team members went ahead and together we lost a couple ten thousands.

Later, ego started a thread on the use of LW registry and we proceeded to play real money with his idea and again we lost another couple of ten thousands, giving a combined loss of close to $100k.

Yes we could have stayed with BR roulette but the data suggested not do proceed with that.

This was one of the real money playing experience with PB years ago that we learnt from and we have progressed from this since.

I am not JL. But interesting explanation. But card games I do not trust.

Real casinos are very slow. I could not play this system there.I would have to play like Brett Morton advises. Looking to end patterns. Or following the wheel. Online they spin twice a minute. Thats how this works better.

[atlantis]

DoctorSudoku & sentinel3

I had something else in mind using this strategy and convert it into a new way playing Pattern Breaker

How to turn £75 into £5250 or $150 (for those across the ditch into over $10,000) for approx 28 hours of table action. Sound interesting?

YES, you do need a certain element of luck.
Now we know you can't expect to be lucky all the time.

In essence bet selection is a lottery. Each bet is a 50/50 bet, what happens after X is a lottery. No worries 'bout what you think, this can also suit your mindset.

Let's revisit a set of 4 column binary tables;

-BBBB
-PBBB
-BPBB
-PPBB
-BBPB
-PBPB
-BPPB
-PPPB
-BBBP
-PBBP
-BPBP
-PPBP
-BBPP
-PBPP
-BPPP
-PPPP

Don't try and fast track this.

Disclaimer - Gambling can be a risky business, only gamble with what you can afford to lose.

That's interesting idea ego.

Using roulette EC : H/L and E/O mix in lines of 6. Idea is play HIT AND RUN - maybe to win 4 times @0.5 = 2u

Use a six-step progression of:
0.5, 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 = 31.5 units total at risk.

Record ONE line then commence betting and continue recording results.

Play the opposite EC of the result in the vertical line directly above...

STOP AT A WINNER on that line and continue recording until line complete.

Example real results:

H O H E L O - Record first line and then play opposite
L E L O L O  W0.5@1st position
H O L O L E  W0.5@1
H E H O L O  W0.5@2 
L O H O H O  W0.5@1 
L O L E L E   W0.5@3
L E H O H O  W0.5@2 
H E L O H O  W0.5@1 
H O H O L O  W0.5@2 
H E L E H E   W0.5@2 
L O H O L O   W0.5@1 
H E L O L E   W0.5@1
H O L O H O  W0.5@2
L O L O H E   W0.5@1 
H O L E L O   W0.5@1
H E H O H O  W0.5@2 
L O H E H E  W0.5@1
H O L O H E  W0.5@1
L E L O H E   W0.5@1 
L O H E L E   W0.5@2 
H E H O L O  W0.5@1   
L O H O H E  W0.5@1
H O H O L E  W0.5@1
L E H E H O  W0.5@1 
H E L O H O  W0.5@1
H O L E L O   W0.5@2
L = = = = =    W0.5@1

26 lines x 0.5 wins = +13 units

It's just another suggestion perhaps for SLOW bank building  - hit and run style - so you could theoretically gradually amass the funds for attempting such a plan as you outlined but over a longer period...
However, like you said, it WILL lose eventually in the end.

A.

[sentinel3]

That's interesting idea ego.

Using roulette EC : H/L and E/O mix in lines of 6. Idea is play HIT AND RUN - maybe to win 4 times @0.5 = 2u

Use a six-step progression of:
0.5, 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 = 31.5 units total at risk.

Record ONE line then commence betting and continue recording results.

Play the opposite EC of the result in the vertical line directly above...

STOP AT A WINNER on that line and continue recording until line complete.

Example real results:

H O H E L O - Record first line and then play opposite
L E L O L O  W0.5@1st position
H O L O L E  W0.5@1
H E H O L O  W0.5@2 
L O H O H O  W0.5@1 
L O L E L E   W0.5@3
L E H O H O  W0.5@2 
H E L O H O  W0.5@1 
H O H O L O  W0.5@2 
H E L E H E   W0.5@2 
L O H O L O   W0.5@1 
H E L O L E   W0.5@1
H O L O H O  W0.5@2
L O L O H E   W0.5@1 
H O L E L O   W0.5@1
H E H O H O  W0.5@2 
L O H E H E  W0.5@1
H O L O H E  W0.5@1
L E L O H E   W0.5@1 
L O H E L E   W0.5@2 
H E H O L O  W0.5@1   
L O H O H E  W0.5@1
H O H O L E  W0.5@1
L E H E H O  W0.5@1 
H E L O H O  W0.5@1
H O L E L O   W0.5@2
L = = = = =    W0.5@1

26 lines x 0.5 wins = +13 units

It's just another suggestion perhaps for SLOW bank building  - hit and run style - so you could theoretically gradually amass the funds for attempting such a plan as you outlined but over a longer period...
However, like you said, it WILL lose eventually in the end.

A.

This looks solid Atlantis. Must test. Everythings gonna lose. But can it win enough to be worth playing. Thats all we gotta know.

[Proofreaders2000]

How about this:

Note the Third newest outcome: bet opposite (Pattern Breaker-ish?)

Third newest outcome: bet same (Pattern Filler-ish?)
(you can alternate bt the two systems)

With this progression: 1,2,3,7,14,28 (stop)=55 units

[DoctorSudoku]

and together we lost a couple ten thousands.

Later, ego started a thread on the use of LW registry and we proceeded to play real money with his idea and again we lost another couple of ten thousands,
giving a combined loss of close to $100k.

Thought it would be interesting to highlight the above (for a not-so-obvious reason that I will NOT elaborate on).

[DoctorSudoku]

I ONLY play red and black. Pattern breaker is a decent hit and run player.

One or two games a day. You will end up on top. Play too much youll be a loser like the other 98% of players.

I pretty much play like you do -- strictly on a hit and run basis and only 2-4 times on average per casino visit (6 times maximum on rare occasions).

In addition, I should also mention that I tend to play two games/series maximum consecutively and then move onto other methods.

I will then come back to this method one or two hours later for another 1 or 2 games/series and then again move to some other method. In other words, I do NOT play this method continuously.

The only major difference between my version and your version is this: you ONLY play R/B.

I tend to alternate between R/B, O/E, and H/L. I have explained that in previous posts in this thread.

[cht]

Thought it would be interesting to highlight the above (for a not-so-obvious reason that I will NOT elaborate on).

You will now have noticed that I made many post about large br and losses. I did that with purpose, allow me explain.

If anyone who has been to a b&m casino on a regular basis they will have observed the bet size especially at the baccarat tables is fairly large. A $25 chip is small, the normal is $100 and the larger bets $500, the few whales $2500++.

Assume a regular loser small punter loses 10chips per day, his expected loss per month is $25 x 10 chips x 10days/month x 12 months = $30k per year x 4years = $120k

Are you surprise that the regular small punter loses $100k in 4-5 years ? You shouldn't be, that's the norm and every regular at the b&m casino knows this. How much more do the normal $100 chips loser punter lose in 4-5yrs, you do the math.

On forums most forumers are cents punters with online casino.

The problem is their comments that a method is good is based on the risk they face with their cents bet size. This makes these bunch of comments to be grossly misleading.

The same comments about this so&so poster is guru, veteran punter and whatnots is inaccurate. That's the loud voice of a mob with little skin in the game. Not that I care but it led me down rabbit holes wasting lots of time.

I joined this forum naively unaware of such happenings but I've learnt since. l love to discuss roulette or baccarat at the level with no hidden agenda or under any illusion for the single purpose to improve my betting, period. I deal with real ie. either method has a positive expectancy or no. Don't give me usual bs qualifiers that is of zero use when you bankroll the method for say $10k(believe me it's small)

Until I get to discuss with serious punters with skin in the game or ethical forumers who will not overstate opinions verging on distorted reality, I take most comments as from hobby punters having a ball time at forums.

No offence to anyone. And DoctorSudoku I consider you as one whom I do listen to.

[sentinel3]

I pretty much play like you do -- strictly on a hit and run basis and only 2-4 times on average per casino visit (6 times maximum on rare occasions).

In addition, I should also mention that I tend to play two games/series maximum consecutively and then move onto other methods.

I will then come back to this method one or two hours later for another 1 or 2 games/series and then again move to some other method. In other words, I do NOT play this method continuously.

The only major difference between my version and your version is this: you ONLY play R/B.

I tend to alternate between R/B, O/E, and H/L. I have explained that in previous posts in this thread.

Hi Dr Sudoku happy new year.

My most successful game is always my first one. Ive decided in 2018 im only going to play a max of 3 games a day. Because those first 3 especially the first 1 are quite amazing. This is my breakdown after 450 games played since September.

GAMES PLAYED=450
GAMES WON=415
GAMES LOST=35

WIN--LOSS RATIO IS 12.85/1
BREAK EVEN IS 7/1

Now those results come from playing anything from 2 to 10 games a day.

Now when I take away all the games played from 4 to 10. On the days I played at least 3 games. Look at this.

GAMES PLAYED=320
GAMES WON=306
GAMES LOST=14

WIN---LOSS RATIO IS 22.85/1
BREAK EVEN IS 7/1

Those first 3 games especially the first one are solid. Ive only lost the first game 4 times in 119 days. Im now on a winning streak of 36 days on that first game. Matching my current best. If I win that first game tomorrow. Its a new record 37 days. Ive already won my 3 games for today.

I start early. Always play that first game between 3.30 and 6.00am. Its special dr. But yes the less you play with pattern breaker the more you win. No question about that.

[ego]

sentinel3 thanks for that results  :-)

Cheers

[DoctorSudoku]

DoctorSudoku & sentinel3

I had something else in mind using this strategy and convert it into a new way playing Pattern Breaker

How to turn £75 into £5250 or $150 (for those across the ditch into over $10,000) for approx 28 hours of table action. Sound interesting?

YES, you do need a certain element of luck.
Now we know you can't expect to be lucky all the time.

You only need to be lucky for two hours. Yes TWO LOUSY HOURS from the onset, you may not make it all the way, but it won't cost you anything either.
While people do not see eye to eye regarding bet selection, really it is a defensive mechanism, they need to convince themselves more than anybody else. I
n essence bet selection is a lottery. Each bet is a 50/50 bet, what happens after X is a lottery. No worries 'bout what you think, this can also suit your mindset.

Let's revisit a set of 4 column binary tables;

-BBBB
-PBBB
-BPBB
-PPBB
-BBPB
-PBPB
-BPPB
-PPPB
-BBBP
-PBBP
-BPBP
-PPBP
-BBPP
-PBPP
-BPPP
-PPPP

Note I have numbered all possible outcomes. Your aim using a 4 step martingale is to play 10 columns per day, less than ONE SHOE per day maximum and to avoid any 4 column loss.

For those that the progression Martingale leaves a bad taste, bear in mind, the total risk is the initial £75 or $150, if you can't afford to risk that amount, then read no further, or remind yourself of the 5 g's or 10k plus potential..

Your aim is to make 10 units per day (maybe 11 if you want to cater for the tax, or maybe you might choose to wear that small cost), not a dime more. Your aim is to repeat this for 7 days straight, remember, your exposure is minimum as you will not play more than 40 or 44 hands any one day. Any 4 column loss and you quit. You need to avoid any 4 column loss for the first TWO DAYS ONLY, >> less than one shoe per day <<

Should you lose 4 hands on the bounce on the third day, you will still be in profit. Should you manage to not lose for SEVEN days, on the second week, you double your unit size, should you lose when you double your unit size, you are still in profit. Again repeat the exercise for the next seven days.

NOTE* you can withstand two losses per week and still remain in profit, this excludes the first two days. Your odds of losing 4 bets in a row is less than 6%, which means your odds of winning a bet in any four bet sequence is just over 93%. Should you manage to avoid any 4 column loss during the second week, again you double your unit value from £10 or $20, should you lose on day 15, you are still in profit. You just lost £300 but made £700 the previous week, how you determine the stake level for tomorrow is up to you, either drop down or press on, you can withstand 2 losing days per week. If you have made it this far and only played 10 or 11 (due to tax) columns of 4 for the last 21 days and avoided defeat you double your betting amount for the final time.

NOTE* thus far this whole exercise has been SELF FUNDING. Should you manage to avoid losing 4 in a row for the final week, you have just turned your initial stake of £75 into £5250 for approx 28 hours of table play, or $150 into over $10000, that's about 4 days work.

Week 1 - goal target £50 daily, weekly goal £350 - risk £75
Week 2 - goal target £100 daily, weekly goal £700 - risk £150
Week 3 - goal target £200 daily, weekly goal £1400 - risk £300
Week 4 - goal target £400 daily, weekly goal £2800 - risk £600

Maximum Total profit should you avoid 4L within 28 hours is £5250 less tax or for US based players over ten thousand dollars for a $150 stake. Other than the initial stake, IT IS SELF FUNDING.

Now take a deserved break and start again from the bottom. Does what you are currently playing carry a risk? Well so does this, so in this respect things are equal. The risk is limited to £75 or $150, the rewards are greater than what you would ordinarily hope for given the amount of bankroll. If 100 players tried this, not all would be lucky, some would be. All that matters is surviving the first two days.

OK - the bet selection; It really doesn't matter, either mathematically or logically. If you believe in trending, then wait for one column of four and use the bet selection SAME. If you don't believe in trending maybe use the bet selection OPPOSITE. Random is probably the best. If you don't care either way, maybe choose any one of the above 16 options and stick with it. Mathematically each sequence is suppose to occur once every 60 hands, be aware it doesn't always work out like this.

Maybe put the numbers I have associated with the 4 column options into a hat to determine your bet selection, it really doesn't matter. Perhaps omit the numbers 6 and 11 as these are the most common options for any 4 hand sequence. Don't lose sight of the total risk £75 or $150 and the potential reward. Perhaps play each sequence in numerical order, that is bet option 1 followed by option 2 then option 3 etc. Logically it doesn't make any difference. Should you lose for example on your fourth column, then that is it for that day, come back tomorrow and restart. You need SEVEN clear days of 10 units profit before doubling your playing stake. The risk is carried for the first two days only, after that it is >> SELF FUNDING

You could increase the risk and odds of not losing, by using a 5 column approach. You now have a 96% chance of scoring a win, however you would need to adjust you daily win target to 20 units, and would be playing that a particular 5 hand sequence from 32 possible sequences doesn't hit you for 20 columns.. $150 into over 10 "large" for 4 days effort!!!!!

Should this approach fail inside of the first two day, you would need to win 15 times just to get back to even. Then win another 10 times to progress from first base. If you had a bankroll greater than £75 or $150 you might want to use the balance to construct recovery option for the first two days only. Say you lost 15 units before you make 10 units. You then use the rest of your bankroll to recoup then continue where you left off. Few ways to do this, either use another martingale on top (lots of risk), or double your playing stake and use a Labby to win say 8 units, or possibly a Fibonacci, again to win either 15 units or 8 units if you doubled your initial stake size.

Nothing stopping somebody from playing two sessions per day, then you might achieve your goal in two weeks. Give yourself a decent break in between sessions. Yes I have explored this and I have found associating a numeric value to each of the possible outcomes of a Binary chart, as outlined above playing them simply in order 1,2,3,4 etc. faired best [random versus random]. You are either going to win or lose, the initial stake is not that great. If you decided to play the options sequentially, option 1 is BBBB, you need to decide if you will bet the same as BBBB or the opposite of BBBB, which of course would be would be PPPP, It all works out the same, you're playing with of 15/1 odds no matter what.

Yes IT WILL lose eventually, will you be at the table when it does? Your nemesis has to catch you when you are playing, one of the reasons I state, play less than ONE SHOE per day. Hence the reason make 10 units then bail. It can even lose when you are at the table, however it is the first 2 days which are crucial, after that, so long as you don't get back to back losing days you will be OK, again hence the reason to limit your exposure. It really doesn't matter how you determine your bet selection. £5k or $10k for 28 hours graft, minimal risk "$150", cheaper than a few weeks worth of lottery tickets and better odds.

Don't try and fast track this, by betting every hand, I would suggest that if anybody used other modes of play, that involves betting every hand, it wouldn't work. Losing 4 bets in a row when betting every hand is a whole lot easier than losing 4 bets for any given predetermined column sequence of bets.

The aim is to TRY and turn 75 quid or 150 bucks into £5 bricks or $10 large for 28 hours at the tables. As I stated above, it doesn't really matter if you lose the 3rd day, 2nd stage, 3rd or even the 4th stage, you are STILL IN PROFIT. You need to be lucky for the first two days only, otherwise it is SELF FUNDING. Lose 4 bets in a row and you are done for the day, better for your composure. Survive for a month and restart. Want to decrease the odds of losing?, Increase the risk..

Disclaimer - Gambling can be a risky business, only gamble with what you can afford to lose.

This is from a Baccarat player with the name John - i like the concept and would like to implement Regression Up & Pull and Pattern Breaker with the odds 1 in 8 ...

Cheers

Patrik,
I am guessing that this baccarat player John that you have referred to above is none other than Johno (Rolex-watch/Egalite/Egalites Ghost). He is definitely  one of the more profound thinkers not only in baccarat, but in the field of gambling strategies in general.

It is too bad that he gets into so many personal squabbles with other people because it detracts from all the good ideas that he has posted on various forums over the last decade or so. Anyway, thanks for posting his above idea (which is somewhat tangentially relevant to the Pattern Breaker method that we are discussing here).