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cht

Quote from: Madi on Feb 07, 07:28 PM 2018
Then can do 3 unit( 1 on 0 , 2 on ec). If win put 4 unit in same way
sentinel and you have proposed this way to deal with the green zero.

Do you realise that the payout math has changed drastically ?

I don't want to sound negative. I just want you to review your bet sizing, I posted about bet sizing earlier.

You have a good method. Extract the best out of it. Don't distort it else you lose your edge.

Madi

Positive wont make any issue for 0. For those who like negative progression can use a stepping progression which i dont like.

One unit on 0 every time with
2-5-12 but can b bit costly

cht

Quote from: Madi on Feb 07, 07:39 PM 2018
Positive wont make any issue for 0. For those who like negative progression can use a stepping progression which i dont like.

One unit on 0 every time with
2-5-12 but can b bit costly

Exactly.  :thumbsup:

cht

For those who believe in hit and run approach,  it can work if you bet at the exact point when the frequency distribution falls off sharply from the bell curve peak.

Question - have you plotted this distribution to tell you where exactly is this sharp fall off point ?

This is what I mean by betting the method optimally. The bet sizing is designed to capture this optimum point.

As I said earlier, EVERY DETAIL has to be studied based on math statistics.

I believe I have revealed how I double my br every playing day.

Andre Chass

Nothing ventured, nothing gained...

cht

For money management, ego posted it on the Moneymanagement thread.

Alrelax of betselection who plays baccarat use this MM rule.

Quote from: ego on Feb 07, 01:07 PM 2018
I would use John Patrick's money management methodology or Brett Morton - if you search forum you should find topics about them.
If not spend your 40 to buy books from both, see it as future investment.

Problem is that most players don't do what the suppose to do.

Take 3K bankroll - then you split the 3K bankroll into three parts and bring one to the casino, that is 1K.
Now you decide how much to risk for each game, lets say 200 and give you 5 games.
But we are not done yet, you need to sett loss limit and win target, so assume you have 50% loss limit, that means you can only play and touch 100 for your session and this size determine what kind of unit size you should play.

The good news is that you will go home with 500 if you lose all 5 sessions.
Now if you bet using 10 you will get 10 bets down, if you use 5 minimum you get 20 bets down, if you use 1 you get 100 bets down.

So if you flat betting you can use 10 or lower bets and if you are going to use a progression you end up having a base bet around 1.
That would probably mean you can not play ordinary wheels with to high minimum size, so you have to do with air ball machine.

Do you see the reality most members missing - your base bet would be 10$ or 1$ with 3000$ bankroll.

This is the difference between fact and fiction systems on this forum, most system use progressions with very much money at risk where you would need 10,000 to 30.000$ bankroll to play, if you are going to follow money management rules.

Proofreaders2000

For those who believe in hit and run...

Since Andre suggests playing once a day to avoid
variance, how about designating an exact time to play?


RouletteGhost

the key to winning with systems : play for a statistically irrelevant number of spins

link:[url="s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmJKY59NX8o"]s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmJKY59NX8o[/url]

sentinel3

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 07, 11:11 PM 2018
For those who believe in hit and run...

Since Andre suggests playing once a day to avoid
variance, how about designating an exact time to play?
Well proof I play my first game of the day for PB between 3am and 6am everyday. So far this year my strikerate is 38 wins 1 loss. There is no variance on a game thats over in a max of three spins. Random entry into the cycle Has to have some value.

OTHERWISE, my overall strikerate for PB would hold over 20--1 overall. But it only does for that solitary game I play on its own each morning. As I sip a cup of rosey lee.

If I study where more of my losses come proof. They come from the third game on in a day. In other words. The more often I put my hand in pit of snakes. The more likely I am to get bitten. My results over 11 years prove this fact.

Proofreaders2000

Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 07, 11:27 PM 2018
Well proof I play my first game of the day for PB between 3am and 6am everyday. So far this year my strikerate is 38 wins 1 loss. There is no variance on a game thats over in a max of three spins. Random entry into the cycle Has to have some value.

OTHERWISE, my overall strikerate for PB would hold over 20--1 overall. But it only does for that solitary game I play on its own each morning. As I sip a cup of rosey lee.

If I study where more of my losses come proof. They come from the third game on in a day. In other words. The more often I put my hand in pit of snakes. The more likely I am to get bitten. My results over 11 years prove this fact.

Alright, that said there must be other factors involved than just playing the system

Like a favorite dealer (or at least a dealer that spins a certain way).

Where you play is a factor (online or at a b&m)

Do the dealers change every 30 minutes or change more
frequently and does it affect the hit-rate when there is a dealer change.

How much time does it take between spins.

sentinel3

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 07, 11:50 PM 2018
Alright, that said there must be other factors involved than just playing the system

Like a favorite dealer (or at least a dealer that spins a certain way).

Where you play is a factor (online or at a b&m)

Do the dealers change every 30 minutes or change more
frequently and does it affect the hit-rate when there is a dealer change.

How much time does it take between spins.
Okay points of repitition. My first game is ALWAYS played at Ladbrokes online casino..The dealer isnt a factor. Theyre nearly always different. The only 3 things that remain the same are.

FIRST GAME PLAYED 3--6AM

FIRST GAME PLAYED AT LADBROKES

ALWAYS COUNT BACK 10 NUMBERS ON THE NUMBER BOARD.

Theres no gap between those 1-3 three spins to win or lose a game proof. Once that 8th pattern qualifies. ALWAYS INSIDE 50 SPINS now that im tracking all three chances.

You go against it immediately. Most of my wins come in the first two spins proof. So for example this year.

Spin 1=19
Spin 2=12
Spin 3=07
Lost=01

Thats the breakdown of game one this year so far...

cht

Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 08, 12:16 AM 2018
Okay points of repitition. My first game is ALWAYS played at Ladbrokes online casino..The dealer isnt a factor. Theyre nearly always different. The only 3 things that remain the same are.

FIRST GAME PLAYED 3--6AM

FIRST GAME PLAYED AT LADBROKES

ALWAYS COUNT BACK 10 NUMBERS ON THE NUMBER BOARD.

Theres no gap between those 1-3 three spins to win or lose a game proof. Once that 8th pattern qualifies. ALWAYS INSIDE 50 SPINS now that im tracking all three chances.

You go against it immediately. Most of my wins come in the first two spins proof. So for example this year.

Spin 1=19
Spin 2=12
Spin 3=07
Lost=01


Thats the breakdown of game one this year so far...
Read my post #1893 for optimal bet sizing.

Proofreaders2000

Quote from: cht on Feb 07, 07:09 PM 2018
My partner and I track with pen and paper 30-40 baccarat shoes a day on etg 1min per hand. We track 2shoes at a time on rolling basis - same as the excel sheet earlier.

It's daunting to the beginner but with practice you will learn how to do this. I must say it's physically very tiring hunting the ideal etgs and mentally taxing.

The benefit is no computer is used. Just pen and paper supplied by the casino. The dealers and pitboss love you while laughing their asses at you and you play the game as the dumb rookish gambler playing some voodish method that you won because  of your good LUCK. Everybody is happy, just the way you want it,  perfect.

So,  learn to do it with pen and paper.

I've been at this for 10 years full-time and
examined virtually every system on every known board.

I study patterns the wheels make
and record my findings in Notepad.

It is only up until now there have been users dedicated
to finding a workable system instead of disrupting study.

I am open to new ideas.

cht

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 08, 12:41 AM 2018
I've been at this for 10 years full-time and
examined virtually every system on every known board.

I study patterns the wheels make
and record my findings in Notepad.

It is only up until now there have been users dedicated
to finding a workable system instead of disrupting study.

I am open to new ideas.
Proofreaders,  take a look at sentinels  results (bolded), how will you modify this original 1/2/4 bet to a more optimal bet ?

sentinel or anyone ?

Proofreaders2000

Quote from: cht on Feb 08, 12:51 AM 2018
Proofreaders,  take a look at sentinels  results (bolded), how will you modify this original 1/2/4 bet to a more optimal bet ?

sentinel or anyone ?

Tbh I love Madi's variant, eliminating the progression.

Sentinel3 has very strong results so why change anything?

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