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Started by Johnlegend, Apr 08, 05:46 PM 2011

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sentinel3

Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 08, 03:57 PM 2018
Your target profit is make $30 a day?! Play hit and run style for 3 games using progression 10, 20, 40. You will need to figure out when the conditions are favorable to bet.

If you play all day long you will lose for sure.
You have to avoid the variance.
On that we can agree.

Anyone playing all day unless its a system like MV7 will lose for certain.

denzie

Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 08, 03:57 PM 2018
You have to avoid the variance.

:yawn:
If you can do that.... your rich within a year  :thumbsup:


As spins roll off our predictions get better

Ricky

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 07, 07:13 AM 2018Once you get a bet opportunity on PB what’s the ratio on 0
I am using the following progression
6,1
18,1
40,3
So if Zero hits I win the following:
Bet 1: 36-6=$30
Bet 2: 36-18-7=$11
Bet 3: 108-36-18-7-1 = $6

Andre Chass

The truth is that it is very difficult to beat roulette. It's a hell of a game. Do not be fooled by this strategy. If it were easy to make lots of money JL would not be here in this forum. He would be in some paradise enjoying life.
I built my own strategy betting repeats however I have to work like a dog to make some profit.
I believe JL can make some profit using this strategy but getting rich is another story.

If I could go back in time I would never want to have known the Devil's game.

Get out while there's time. You can go crazy or lose all your savings.

My advice for the new members.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained...

nottophammer

Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 08, 05:08 PM 2018Get out while there's time. You can go crazy or lose all your savings.

My advice for the new members.
Well if a new member is starting out, use this sheet to record the spins


Heres a game from dont know when, but you can see the non-hits came fast

use countback, 1st 10 spins, 9/10 so 9+15=24 so could see 24 of the starting 37 come by spin 39/40
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

nottophammer

Heres the answer 23 non-hit came so -1 on the expected 15 non-hits in spins 11-40

So 23rd is in at spin 31; 8 to 9 spins early, so dont you think repeats are DUE
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

cht

Quote from: ozon on Feb 08, 01:00 PM 2018
You do not understand one thing
Play PB without stops for 10k spins, how do you think what the result will be?
Some samples of 10k spins will be positive, some negative, but in the long run PB does not persist, moreover you know about it because you played it on the rng without a break.

I am trying to determine what is happening in your game and draw conclusions.
Why it works

I think PB is not much to talk about here, it's just a search strategy that uses rare paterns and that's what we're looking for, a strategy with rare paterns.
Where roulette needs time to adapt to the rare cluster of paterns.And  we got longer  winning periods  of  time, than lossing cycle.

I try to go further, if hit n run works and rare patterns, I'm also wondering how far the edge is.

A very good technique is playing CHT, where the game is flat with a set Target profit and stoploss, which is not bigger than 12 units.
My bet is as I decribed it in response to denzie's question earlier. I don't bet against P P P or B B B.

I choose to bet virtual loss/1unit/1unit risking 2units because from my test the frequency distribution showed that the 1st spin/hand is a loser in the long run, the winners is slightly skewed towards the 2nd spin/hand.

If the game is played for ALL setups there is no edge,  the result showed clusters of wins and losses that even out itlr - no surprise there.

What I did was to eliminate conditions that losing clusters are more likely to occur. I use my playing experience with baccarat to identify the type of shoes.

Second I do not scan for setups that's too deep into a shoe - I apply a delimiter.

Yes,  it's a hit and run strategy of some sort and it is not a guessing hit and run or based on superstition.

It's based on frequency distribution how the clusters of win and losses come. I play the setups when the conditions is in my favour. That's why I scan for average 30 shoes a day. It's a rare condition,  it occurs enough times within 30-40 shoes sometimes quick other time the number of games will not be enough.

The reason why I play with a 8-12units stoploss or profit target is because the test results showed this optimum point where variance will move to positive the return to the mean, not fully but 2sd. I don't know if played continuously what is the result because it's not practical to play continuously unless you got many teams to play 24/7.

About your question(bolded) how large is the edge playing hit and run based on frequency distribution.

A typical day can easily return a 10win 2loss risking 2units giving a net 6units.

I played 2random games on roulettesimulator that I posted the results earlier - it won 9spins within 45-49spins.

Why then I don't play it with roulette  ?

1. The green zero that must come.
2. I spent a long time to test this method with real spins collection from my casino.  I have to do a similar test for roulette. That I'm not doing because I already have the evidence with baccarat.

There are some filters that can be applied only with baccarat because baccarat has only 60-70hands that's limited before a brand new game starts.  Roulette is continuous,  same with sicbo.

Eventhough I did not do the test and given the difference I pointed out,  I am confident to some extent that it will still give the advantage. My play at roulettesimulator somewhat confirms my hunch although it's only 2games so I can't be certain unless a test with larger sample size is done.

3. Money management and bet sizing designed around frequency distribution is very important. The idea is not to win a lot. The objective is to win enough so that you accumulate casino money to gradually increase the units per bet. The goal is max table limit for etg games which I projected to reach it in 2months of play. But now my game rate is lowered due to the faulty etg in one location that will slow down our progress.

If you want to do what I do,  you have to isolate the win clusters from your loss clusters then identify the characteristics where and when those loss clusters occur, eliminate them. It takes a lot of work to do that. If you are up to it then do it.

In summary,  my answer to your question is overwhelming. And I'm quietly confident it works just the same with roulette or sicbo eventhough there are differences with other games and I don't have the conclusive evidence yet.

Andre Chass

When you enter a casino to play roulette and you tell the staff that you'll use a strategy, they'll laugh and say: Go ahead! You can even show them which strategy you will use.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained...

nottophammer

Quote from: cht on Feb 08, 05:51 PM 2018
If you want to do what I do,  you have to isolate the win clusters from your loss clusters then identify the characteristics where and when those loss clusters occur, eliminate them. It takes a lot of work to do that. If you are up to it then do it.
Yes getting answers for your chosen method takes time and yes hard work.
I asked somewhere the other day how many spins can betting the 27 remaining uniques take, no answer came. But if you collect your recorded games, you'll get your answer, after plenty of games the max for 27 to come in is 5 spins, last seen 573 games ago it averages to come in, is so if you rounded it up to 2 spins and waited for the 27 to miss twice theres now the chance to bet, or wait for 3 misses then bet, but it dont miss for 3 often
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

cht

If you have a good system -

1. Don't play it with online live dealer casino.  Play it at b&m casino.

2. Don't play it just to collect some cash. Yes winning cash is good.

Play it to collect casino money,  use it to build your unit size with the goal to play at max table limit.

3. Don't play it with roulette. The casino thinks you are using cheating AP or hidden roulette computers to win. You may be banned for winning too much or too consistently even for winning small money.

One of the reasons why I don't spend time to do the test.

4. Don't play it with blackjack. They think you are counting cards. You will get banned.

5. Play it with baccarat or sicbo. These two games has no advantage play. It's a pure luck game. You will never get ban even you win a lot. There are guys in my b&m that win millions,  some hundred thousand in one session. Ofc they do lose and some of them lose more than 10million - it's normal. How much you win or lose depends on the bet size you play. I can't play at the manual table because it's practically not possible unless there's a large team to scan the manual tables at 2-3mins per hand.

sentinel3

Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 08, 05:54 PM 2018
When you enter a casino to play roulette and you tell the staff that you'll use a strategy, they'll laugh and say: Go ahead! You can even show them which strategy you will use.
They wouldnt be laughing for long with me Andre. If i took a big enough bankroll. I play one game and walk out with thousands.

The ONLY reason alot of them have that attitude is because over 95% of people who gamble are absolute idiots who dont know when to quit. Over time they would come to fear someone like me. Because they would realize im never leaving the casino without profit. And most days that would mean 🛑TWO SPINS🛑 Collect my money and bye bye.

Playing that one game a day. I could win over 40 days in a row before they would evet get anything back from me.

Think about that for a minute Andre. Thats the power of PB when it gets a streak going. It would mess with their minds. Think about what would be going through their minds after say 35 days of me coming in. Playing a maximum of 3 spins. Mostly 1 or 2. Collecting several thousand and walking out. For the first week maybe. They would think theres a lucky chap.

But after 30 plus days. What do you think theyd be thinking???

cht

Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 08, 06:10 PM 2018
Yes getting answers for your chosen method takes time and yes hard work.
I asked somewhere the other day how many spins can betting the 27 remaining uniques take, no answer came. But if you collect your recorded games, you'll get your answer, after plenty of games the max for 27 to come in is 5 spins, last seen 573 games ago it averages to come in, is so if you rounded it up to 2 spins and waited for the 27 to miss twice theres now the chance to bet, or wait for 3 misses then bet, but it dont miss for 3 often
Exactly notto,  but most people don't want to do the hard work. They dream of easy money that fall from the sky onto their lap.  :(

Andre Chass

Let's face some truths!
Mr Winkel has a website where he sells his strategy. Mr Steve sells roulette computers. If they really had an infallible method, they would not have to sell anything. They would just get rich using their methods.

link:://:.g-u-t.co/
Nothing ventured, nothing gained...

Andre Chass

I'll say it again

The truth is that it is very difficult to beat roulette. It's a hell of a game. Do not be fooled by this strategy. If it were easy to make lots of money JL would not be here in this forum. He would be in some paradise enjoying life.
I built my own strategy betting repeats however I have to work like a dog to make some profit.
I believe JL can make some profit using this strategy but getting rich is another story.

If I could go back in time I would never want to have known the Devil's game.

Get out while there's time. You can go crazy or lose all your savings.

My advice for the new members.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained...

cht

Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 08, 06:43 PM 2018
Let's face some truths!
Mr Winkel has a website where he sells his strategy. M. Steve sells roulette computers. If they really had an infallible method, they would not have to sell anything. They would just get rich using their methods.
Andre,  I agree with you about this to a certain extent.

If you have a winning method - systems play, AP or roulette computer - you will not sell it to the world. You make money at the casino,  you teach you kids how to play to win.

Under certain circumstances the creator may sell the system to the general public -

1. The creator for whatever reason is banned from casinos.

2. The method requires a team to operate with specific functions - team members may be recruited.

3. The creator sells his method as franchise - he collects royalty from other people playing his method.

4. The creator is sick,  not physically able to play at the casino himself.

5. The creator has no kids to pass on his method.

These are possible reasons why creators choose to sell their method. Or that's the story they tell you.

You choose what you believe.

And to be clear,  I won't sell my method.  :)

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