*PATTERN BREAKER*

[RouletteGhost]

Systems are systems. They will win and lose

It takes a skilled player to use the tools required to make profits consistently


Bots and graphs mean nothing in real world play

Seriously, they are ridiculous.

Sit at an airball or live wheel and do what you need to do to make some units and stop.

The bot will lose at all times

On a negative expectation game the graph will have ups and downs while trending down over a million spins

So when you play stop when it’s up

Do that everytime and after 11 years you will be up

Stop on profit and a million spin downward trend graph means nothing

Lots of smart people here and I cannot understand why they don’t comprehend how useless those long term graphs are.

[Ricky]

Bots and graphs mean nothing in real world play

Seriously, they are ridiculous.

Hi RouletteGost,
in one sense you are right if you are trying to use their million spin test to prove a system is "flawed" or will not beat the game. But the value they do have is seeing whether a system does  produce significant periods of uptrend or whether it has NO uptrend at all. Flatbetting for example is NEVER going to be a good progression because the odds are stacked against the player and the rules favour the casino. A BOT test will prove this. So you need to build in some smart MM rules and progressions to get ahead. This is the value of the BOT. Does one Progression method (positive or negative) have any advantage over flat betting? Or does one progression, say Martingale, work better than another, say D'Alambert?
We can use this information to confirm or discount our real play. eg the BOT I am running at the moment is showing that in small bursts of 300-400 spins PB is holding up. It does have those losing streaks that wipe out a significant amount of profit but this just proves that hit and run is of value to using this method.
One test we can do using a BOT is to let it run for a certain profit target or number of wins/losses and then switch to another system which will make completely different bets for the next 300 or so spins. Then switch back to the original system for another 300+ spins. This test will see if it really does pay to use multiple systems when playing long term. My goal is to find a holy grail system which combines multiple systems and progressions and adjusts itself to the current state of play. So the system should learn how to react in certain situations. Like if you see a streak of the same color or other E/C result being formed, would it not make sense to employ a positive progression method (10,10,15,20,30,40,50,60,70....) and ride the streak betting WITH the streak until it finally ends. In this case you dump the current method your using and ride the streak.  You've got nothing to lose but your first small bet. But you've got everything to gain if a streak of 3 reds grows into a streak of 18 reds using the casinos money to fund the next bet. I've seen this many times, including the other day when a streak of 14 blacks turned into another streak of 12 reds followed by another streak of 10 blacks. It was amazing to watch but silly of me for not deploying the above method. I would have walked out of the casino several hundred up for a risk of $10. But I was testing PB so let it pass, smiling in disbelieve.

Well you can test the above method out using a BOT and if (and I tested, it does) hold water you can use it next time you are playing for real.

Regards,
Ricky

[cht]

Hi CHT
I have an idea that I think will help members of this forum in their own endeavour to use the knowledge freely shared here for their own advantage.  We can all use guidance from those living the life making profits from the casino. When I am at a casino trying to use one or more of these systems to my advantage, sometimes I will fall into the gamblers trap and make irrational decisions. I get onto a losing streak and try chasing losses. I forget about money management and end the night thinking to myself why did I just lose $1K when I should have stopped at $200. I end up kicking myself for the rest of the week. So this forum is helping me stay level headed and I have a personal challenge to stop Gambling and start "investing" my money.
So I have set myself a challenge that I can grow a bankroll of $200 into a substantial one where I can withstand the odd loss without destroying my entire bankroll. So far I am at $560 after 1 week using PB and MV5 and 7 visits to my local  casino. I have 2 days where I left the casino in the red. Fortunately, this was in the first couple of days when I was dry running the systems and betting low amounts for a loss of $9 and $4 respectively. The other visits all ended in profit. The amounts were relatively small compared to what some may be aiming for but JL described small profit well and I keep remembering these words "From acorns huge Oak Trees grow". Patience is the key. Yesterday I spent 4 hours at the casino and came up $23. These words kept ringing in my mind when I decided to leave rather than getting into the Gamblers habits of trying to get that one last win to leave a "BIG" winner and in the process blowing the bankroll.

So I will contribute to this forum with a personal diary of my trips to the casino. I will try to post some video of a session playing the systems showing the decisions I am making as it happens. I guess for those playing online could do the same recording their online sessions.
If this is something others feel will be helpful maybe we can setup another thread so as not to clog up this discussion. Your thoughts are welcome on how best we can help each other on our journey to profiting from these systems rather than just discussing and debating the merits of them.
In summary, I think we need to look at these systems as one component to a successful gambling career or second income:
1. A sound method like PB or MV5 and other good systems mentioned on this forum
2. Smart MM and progressions. This includes protecting profits and more importantly setting stop losses or BREAKS on losing streaks,
3. Above all, Discipline and Patience. DO NOT look for quick profits. But grow your bankroll slowly.
All the above make up the Holy Grail of winning roulette or any other game of chance. There is no system you can buy that is going to bypass all the above. YOU need to be part of the System. The method you deploy is just part of the tools you use to profit. The most important tool is your brain.

Having said that, I for one am trying to live up to these standards. This is part of my journey. We all need each other to help us keep on track and focused, and not stray back on the path of the Gambler lurking inside us.

PS. Sentinel recommended the Book "Roulette Playing to Win" by Brett Morton.
link:s://books.google.com.au/books?id=Opj0CQAAQBAJ&pg=PA81&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false
I had a quick look at it in the above link and will purchase a copy. I am sure it will provide a wealth of information from one's experience of this endeavour. You may find it useful also.

Regards,
Ricky

Hi Ricky

I think since some of us play JL PB and some others play 3series patterns  variants, they are almost the same. So,  I recommend we do discussions on pattern play on this thread,  I believe sentinel will not object.

Yes I agree that we share experience of real play,  encourage and help each other along this same common journey.

I made quite a number of posts earlier to cover individual topics that you mention.

It all comes back to what our aim is - hobby,  second income or full-time professional - the higher that level the more serious and stringent the requirement has to be.

There are a number of key points I like to share that's fundamental requirement to our success some of which some of you may not agree going by the posts that you make earlier -

1. You need to play in line with what the math statistics say. A lot has been posted on both sides about this, each of us voicing our opinion.

Fact is,  math statistics is not based on opinion. It's a scientific fact.

However,  it depends on whether we apply this math statistics appropriately or not. Whether we know the cause or not is not the determinant. Math statistics will still apply with or without this knowledge of cause why a certain anomaly occur.

Specific on this revised JL PB, the model he plays is complex from a math statistics point of view,  especially the real time discretionary decisions he executes to play his game. So, it's not possible to write a test program to exactly model his daily play. However,  we can create a test model of playing all signals, including his fifo basis approach to determine which EC game he would play. In this case,  denzie is correct that the result will be negative around the HE number.

So by extension, the selective hit and run play should yield the same results when played itlr.Unless, this hit and run approach has a math statistics basis why when applied will yield a positive edge. I cannot think of one. This is my honest humble opinion. Denzie is not negative,  he felt responsible enough to highlight this point in the midst of this current winning euphoria.

To be continued next post.....

[cht]

2. I made a post about optimising the bet,  taking sentinel's recent result as example. This is an important step to make,  ie. optimise the bet.

Many people just play this 1/2/4 progression because winners come inside this 3spins. However,  as I pointed out earlier,  this 1st bet does not yield profit instead it's a net loss bet.

This means that we should not bet the 1st spin,  instead wait for a virtual loss then bet either 1/1 or 1/2 for the 2nd and 3rd spin.

We bet less times and from practical pov we have more time to place the bets giving less mistakes. Another significant difference will apear as we approach max table limit.

Eg. Table limit of $2000
For 1/2/4/8 - 250/500/1000/2000
For 1/2/4 - 500/1000/2000
For 1/2 - 1000/2000
For 1/1 - 2000/2000

I have this specific reason in mind why I choose this 1/1 bet size besides the other reasons I outlined above for my method.

For revised JL PB,  you guys need to find out the frequency distribution of your winners how they come in to determine whether your current 1/2/4 can be optimised or not.

To be continued....

[Ricky]

Hi CHT, Firstly, thanks for your feedback. I appreciate everyone's views and constructive criticism to better improve my game.

It all comes back to what our aim is - hobby,  second income or full-time professional - the higher that level the more serious and stringent the requirement has to be.

My own goal is to replace my current 9-5 job, which pays the bills and supports my lifestyle, with alternate sources of "passive" income. I am approaching my 50's and looking to retire from the workforce before the age of 65 if I can replace my current income with the same amount from my investments. I am working to treat the winnings from gambling as a business where I can treat the casino like an ATM. I like to travel but do not get the time or have the discretionary finances to fund it. So, if I can fun a trip to Europe or Vegas using my profit from playing roulette or baccarat that will be a bonus to mastering this game. I guess that's why they call professional gamblers Advantage Players. They employ techniques that give them an edge and they can then profit from it to sustain an income.
I have spent the last year researching and am now at the stage where I want to prove to myself what I have learned has not been a waste of time and a dream that will never be fulfilled.

So by extension, the selective hit and run play should yield the same results when played itlr.Unless, this hit and run approach has a math statistics basis why when applied will yield a positive edge.

In terms of Hit and Run you could use the analogy of being in a storm and dodging those lightning strikes that could harm or kill you. So go out take your profits and get out of the storm before lightning hits. A successful system does not have to be one that withstands 24+ hours of "continuous" play. You will never do this unless you are a "gambler" and are doing it for other reasons like fulfilling an addiction. So if a system withstands a 1-4 hour session of play with a few "toilet breaks" in between for a meal and refreshments then its a good system in my book if its making significant short term profits to meet your goals.

Cheers,
Ricky

[cht]

(I wrote a long post and it got lost while posting.  )

It's about the loss streak related to the win rate of our method. This loss streak can be calculated - I posted the link earlier.

If we play with too large br than necessary,  it will take a longer time to gradually nudge up our bet size.

If we play with too small br,  the loss streak will cause us to lose our br.

This means we have to play at the correct size br to survive the loss streak at the same time allow us to grow our bet size at optimal rate.

[Ricky]

This means we have to play at the correct size br to survive the loss streak at the same time allow us to grow our bet size at optimal rate.

Very true CHT. Its about risk vs reward. Why use Martingale progression to risk $1000 for $1 profit. Thats insane. But I have been there, done that. I learnt the hard way. When I first started using systems to play,  I was being a gambler and thought I could not lose using this Martingale. The wheel could not possibly spin 15 reds in a row. Ill be smart. Put $1000 in the machine and started betting "Black". My first bet of the night. Oh Red came. That's OK I thought. Just double my stake then next one surely will be black. No , red came out. Kept doing this blindly thinking Black was Due. Lost $700 before realizing this is crazy and went home a loser.

Cheers,
Ricky

[cht]

Very true CHT. Its about risk vs reward. Why use Martingale progression to risk $1000 for $1 profit. Thats insane. But I have been there, done that. I learnt the hard way. When I first started using systems to play,  I was being a gambler and thought I could not lose using this Martingale. The wheel could not possibly spin 15 reds in a row. Ill be smart. Put $1000 in the machine and started betting "Black". My first bet of the night. Oh Red came. That's OK I thought. Just double my stake then next one surely will be black. No , red came out. Kept doing this blindly thinking Black was Due. Lost $700 before realizing this is crazy and went home a loser.

Cheers,
Ricky

I believe all of us started as out and out gamblers. Lose playing the infallible marty to learn the lesson the hard way. Now we have gained knowledge and grown wiser.

[cht]

0 for 2 today.

Betting against this Citeh team at the Emptyhad is a flat out irrational decision.

As I said before, just stick to roulette predictions.

Or that Clan Des Obeaux thing.   

I don't like citeh that's the oil soaked team with no fans. Emptyheads will not go very far.

Furthermore,  Pep's a fake. Every club he manage gives him the open cheque book. He's a coward, he will not accept challenges to rebuild teams laden with existing problems.

I applaud Leceister for putting the ball behind the net. Clap,  clap,  clap.

Prediction for citeh next game - lose. 


Cheltenham Gold Cup is an exciting event on the racing calender. Don't miss it. 

[sentinel3]

Systems are systems. They will win and lose

It takes a skilled player to use the tools required to make profits consistently


Bots and graphs mean nothing in real world play

Seriously, they are ridiculous.

Sit at an airball or live wheel and do what you need to do to make some units and stop.

The bot will lose at all times

On a negative expectation game the graph will have ups and downs while trending down over a million spins

So when you play stop when it’s up

Do that everytime and after 11 years you will be up

Stop on profit and a million spin downward trend graph means nothing

Lots of smart people here and I cannot understand why they don’t comprehend how useless those long term graphs are.

RG I couldnt have put it better myself. Brilliant post.

[Proofreaders2000]

Here's a idea.

As an extra EC to bet on...look at the
marquee for the last three natural lines to show.

(Natural lines: L1-6, L7-12,
L13-18, L19-24, L25-30, L31-36

12,25,3 (newest spin-value)-L7-12, L25-30, L1-6=A.)

chose the other three natural lines as B.)

then resume PB as usual: AAA, ABB, BAB...

This way, each time random chooses the EC (could be an edge)

*you will need 21 units instead of the usual seven this way however

Cheers 

[sugtips]

Here's a idea.

As an extra EC to bet on...look at the
marquee for the last three natural lines to show.

(Natural lines: L1-6, L7-12,
L13-18, L19-24, L25-30, L31-36

12,25,3 (newest spin-value)-L7-12, L25-30, L1-6=A.)

chose the other three natural lines as B.)

then resume PB as usual: AAA, ABB, BAB...

This way, each time random chooses the EC (could be an edge)

*you will need 21 units instead of the usual seven this way however

Cheers 

Thanks God and Good Morning All.
Thank you Proofreader for the share. I have got the same idea.

Now we have total 10 patterns in our hands.

Thanks.

[sentinel3]

🛑PATTERN BREAKER REVISED🛑

Summary of results so far.

GAMES PLAYED=425
GAMES WON=400
GAMES LOST=25

STRIKERATE=16--1
BREAK EVEN=7--1

LONGEST WINNING STREAK=38 GAMES
2ND LONGEST WINNING STREAK=31 GAMES (CURRENT)

🌍FIRST GAME OF THE DAY🌍

GAMES PLAYED=50
GAMES WON=48
GAMES LOST=02

STRIKERATE=24--1
BREAK EVEN=7--1

LONGEST WINNING STREAK 30 DAYS
(CURRENT)

These are my stats since revising PATTERN BREAKER December last year. Its going really well.

[atlantis]

Hi sentinel3,
All I can say is WOW!

I've nearly finished the very simple PB console prog that tracks the 9 patterns I mentioned.
Basically - you input roulette spin outcome numbers in sets of 3; the prog tells you to bet against a combo when its the last remaining one to occur in that pattern... then it resets that pattern. It will still continue to advise on other patterns that have yet to qualify too...

A.

[sentinel3]

Hi sentinel3,
All I can say is WOW!

I've nearly finished the very simple PB console prog that tracks the 9 patterns I mentioned.
Basically - you input roulette spin outcome numbers in sets of 3; the prog tells you to bet against a combo when its the last remaining one to occur in that pattern... then it resets that pattern. It will still continue to advise on other patterns that have yet to qualify too...

A.

Atlantis my friend, always appreciate your creativity in searching for strong BUT PLAYABLE,AFFORDABLE systems. Please PM me the rules and structure of your latest creation. I would like to test it for myself. Im still testing 3 STRIKES.