*PATTERN BREAKER*

[DoctorSudoku]

I have been on here for a fairly long time,,, a lot of tremendous insight in this community,,, Now ,,, if you are into the grind,,, with Pattern Breaker,,, there is a better option in my humble opinion,,, and that is pattern catcher,,, with roulette this can be done with 4 different 50 50 bets at the same time  you would be able to start betting  almost immediately and there would be a stop loss and such ,,, with a very high upside potential ,,, there would be no negative progression,,, a positive one instead,,, if there is interest I will elaborate ,, if not,,, thats fine also ,,,

There are too many threads to follow on this web site.

If this pattern catcher method is related to pattern breaker, you might as well post it here.

[Andre Chass]

So good so far!

More seven sessions playing baccarat using PBs variation.

W
LLW
W
LW
LW
LLW
LW

Progression 30, 60, 120

Profit $210

16--0

[mikeyespo]

most importantly to me ,,,, is that I do not want to interfere with this thread...if the general census it to start a new thread.  Then I will do so.   Its just when I see what all are doing with pattern breaker with negative progression, and playing it once a day or so.  Holding ones breath while doing so with larger amounts of money, so that there time waiting is  worth while..honestly does not make a lot of sense to  me ,because as we all know you are not changing the odds, it does not matter when you play the pattern,,... patterns come and go... no rocket science,,, how long a pattern will show and not show,, I surely dont know,... when it will or not show ,,, no system can tell you that .  I guess you can believe that it will not show because its the  8th  pattern so bet against... that has been around for a long time.... nothing  new there.  No matter what you decide to play as a system.... it will take patience and knowing you are (gambling).    You are always going to need some luck on your side... but with what I will show you is that when luck is on your side you can do very well.. and when its not you will limit your losses...believe me the casino does not want you to limit your losses when luck is not on your side.

[Ricky]

Ricky

I'm not using the original PB system. I play in a different way. For example I wait for one of these two patterns to form twice in a row and then I bet against it. Sometimes I wait a pattern to form three times.

BPP
BPP
bet
PBB

PBB
PBB
bet
BPP

CHT and DOCTORSUDOKU play the same way.

Hi Andre, I've seen long lasting patterns in Baccarat so I am not  a fan of betting against patterns that can streak. Yesterday I say 9 players and 7 bankers in a row. So you just have to hope this did not start at the beginning of the set of 3 otherwise you will lose on the third set.
But let me know how you go long term. So far playing the original PB I am 21-0 with real money ($5-10 bets) but did see a shoe yesterday at my BM casino where I would have lost like $350 if I had played it to the full 1-2-4 progression. It was a $50 min table. Fortunately I was just observing. It took around 45 minutes to play to the last pattern. A long wait but in the long run if you are only playing max 5 hands a day with high units it will be well worth it given the high strike rate I am seeing.

Cheers,
Ricky

[Andre Chass]

Hi Andre, I've seen long lasting patterns in Baccarat so I am not  a fan of betting against patterns that can streak. Yesterday I say 9 players and 7 bankers in a row.

That's very good!

I don't bet against BBB or PPP or BPB or PBP.

When it happens I win. For example:

BPPPPPPPP
I wold bet PBB and I'd win.

Can you see that?

[Ricky]

When you bet which repeat 1 is the key.

The issue I see with the rules you are stating is you are making it too flexible and there is room for error. You then end up kicking yourself because you made an exception that might have won you the game. Whats to say a pattern lik PBB PBB PBB PBB does not repeat many times. I have sen this too. So what do you do then, make this an exception or get caught out each time it happens.

By only having one set of rules with NO exception you can get a better idea of how the system is doing against random. As JL mentioned once random struggles to beat you after a certain level of complexity is introduced that he has to overcome to beat you. I tend to agree with that theory. The more hurdles you put in front of random the better your strike rate IMO. So to get him to deliver CONSISTENTLY that last pattern of 8 in my view is a decent hurdle to put to Mr Random which he fails to jump consistently. So you should look at your strike rate in terms of 100 games. How many can you win out of 100 and will you be in profit at the end of these games. So far it seems from Sentinel's records playing hit and run over the last 11 years that this win rate over 100 game is consistently bring in a profit.

The other thing you mention is about the lack of betting opportunities if you wait for three or more consecutive repeats. This is playing right into random's hand by giving him more opportunities to beat you. By betting LESS often for a higher value unit, say bet $50 for 1 bet a game instead of $15 three time more often, you will have a better chance of beating Mr Random long term for the same profit. So your risk is lower by 3 but your return on your bet is three times more than betting more often if this makes sense.

Cheers,
Ricky

[Ricky]

That's very good!

I don't bet against BBB or PPP or BPB or PBP.

When it happens I win. For example:

BPPPPPPPP
I wold bet PBB and I'd win.

Can you see that?

Hi Andre, let us know the track record of following this strategy over 100 spins. I see how your defining specific rules and thats from observing the game and making sure you don't get caught out but as I said see this as trying to make an educated guess. But at the end of the day all these systems are an educated guess playing against random. All I think we can agree on is money management is the number one factor and the method is only deployed to try and grow our bankroll before random catches up to us. I would be very interested to see how your method holds up long term and whether you are playing this hit and run or continuously daily.

Cheers,
Ricky

[DoctorSudoku]

most importantly to me ,,,, is that I do not want to interfere with this thread...if the general census it to start a new thread.  Then I will do so.   Its just when I see what all are doing with pattern breaker with negative progression, and playing it once a day or so.  Holding ones breath while doing so with larger amounts of money, so that there time waiting is  worth while..honestly does not make a lot of sense to  me ,because as we all know you are not changing the odds, it does not matter when you play the pattern,,... patterns come and go... no rocket science,,, how long a pattern will show and not show,, I surely dont know,... when it will or not show ,,, no system can tell you that .  I guess you can believe that it will not show because its the  8th  pattern so bet against... that has been around for a long time.... nothing  new there.  No matter what you decide to play as a system.... it will take patience and knowing you are (gambling).    You are always going to need some luck on your side... but with what I will show you is that when luck is on your side you can do very well.. and when its not you will limit your losses...believe me the casino does not want you to limit your losses when luck is not on your side.

This is a pretty active thread (as you can see), so you can post it here.

[cht]

The issue I see with the rules you are stating is you are making it too flexible and there is room for error.

The complete rules are clear, concise and fixed - Little chance for error in application.

You then end up kicking yourself because you made an exception that might have won you the game.

Yes, the exception might have won the game. The exception was eliminated because it loses more than it wins.

Whats to say a pattern lik PBB PBB PBB PBB does not repeat many times. I have sen this too. So what do you do then, make this an exception or get caught out each time it happens.

The whole point of the rules when and which to bet is to eliminate this repeated patterns that you and others have highlighted earlier.

Simply waiting for 2,3,4 consecutive repeats does not improve anything.

By only having one set of rules with NO exception you can get a better idea of how the system is doing against random.

It's one set of rules with no discretionary decisions involved.

As JL mentioned once random struggles to beat you after a certain level of complexity is introduced that he has to overcome to beat you. I tend to agree with that theory. The more hurdles you put in front of random the better your strike rate IMO. So to get him to deliver CONSISTENTLY that last pattern of 8 in my view is a decent hurdle to put to Mr Random which he fails to jump consistently.

There are many on this thread who play the revised JL PB with roulette and baccarat. Your combined results over time will indicate how good the system is.

So you should look at your strike rate in terms of 100 games. How many can you win out of 100 and will you be in profit at the end of these games. So far it seems from Sentinel's records playing hit and run over the last 11 years that this win rate over 100 game is consistently bring in a profit.

Even if I am assured sentinel's best record of 1st game in the day, I will stick to my method - it delivers far better results.

The other thing you mention is about the lack of betting opportunities if you wait for three or more consecutive repeats. This is playing right into random's hand by giving him more opportunities to beat you. By betting LESS often for a higher value unit, say bet $50 for 1 bet a game instead of $15 three time more often, you will have a better chance of beating Mr Random long term for the same profit. So your risk is lower by 3 but your return on your bet is three times more than betting more often if this makes sense.

We have seen different opinions about this hit&run approach. If it works for you, then continue to do it.

I play continuously two 2 1/2 hours sessions a day with my partner at the etg baccarat machines all qualified signals that appear with no arbitrary selection - no reason not to.

Cheers,
Ricky

Earlier I have given my word to sentinel that I will not discuss further my pattern method. I will answer the specific points that you brought up.

[DoctorSudoku]

Ricky

I'm not using the original PB system. I play in a different way. For example I wait for one of these two patterns to form twice in a row and then I bet against it. Sometimes I wait a pattern to form three times.

BPP
BPP
bet
PBB

PBB
PBB
bet
BPP

CHT and DOCTORSUDOKU play the same way.

Andre,
I may have given you the wrong idea, but I do play the PB -- that is, bet against the last remaining (the 8th) pattern.

The only difference is that I have added a few tweaks of my own, including  constantly switching from R/B to O/E to H/L and back to R/B after each game and using the 1 2 progression.

[footy73]

So I get Andrew's way of playing . Well done mate I hope winning streak will last forever. Please keep us updated.

@Dr Sudoku....if I may just double check....so you don't play all 3 of E/C pairs at the same time ?

@CHT.......Since you can't discuss your ways in this thread and since I am very interested in your tweaks , how do I find out about them, IF you are willing to share them , of course?

[Andre Chass]

More three games before I go to bed.

LW
W
LW

Progression 30, 60, 120

Profit $90

19--0

It's like I'm printing money... Lol

[footy73]

Andree....you tease

Well done mate.

So you play only Baccarat ?

[DoctorSudoku]

More three games before I go to bed.

LW
W
LW

Progression 30, 60, 120

Profit $90

19--0

It's like I'm printing money... Lol

Andre,
Just a friendly come-back-to-reality reminder: Since you are employing a 1 2 4 progression, one 3-step loss would would need 7 wins to recoup that loss.

There is a reason why I previously deployed a 1 2 2 progression and, even that was a bit too risky for my taste, so now I use the 1 2 progression.

[DoctorSudoku]

@Dr Sudoku....if I may just double check....so you don't play all 3 of E/C pairs at the same time ?

When I sit down at the airball wheel terminal, there are already about 24 numbers on the display. I start out targeting the R/B.

Within 15 minutes or so, the first trigger comes.

Win or lose, I then play a second game and this time I target the O/E.

Win or lose, I don't play the PB method for the next 1 or 2 hours (I play other methods during the interim period).

Then I may come back and target the H/L for the third game and then go back to the R/B for the fourth and final game.

That's it. I play 4 games of PB per casino visit.

And for each game, regardless of what has happened in the previous game(s), I stick to the 1 2 progression (the dollar amount of each unit stays the same throughout).

And after my airball adventures, I go and play craps and baccarat (craps is my favorite casino table game).