*PATTERN BREAKER*

[bikemotorman]

I have been doing this with Baccarat for a while with good results, I have combined it with Pattern Breaker because I was getting a bit bored so this filled the time and using them together I call it the SLEDGEHAMMER LOL, so prepare to be dazzled.

Will it win all the time no, will it lose all the time no.

I start when I see PPPP or BBBB.

Start by placing 2 units after you have PPPP on B or vice versa if you have BBBB.
    If the side with 2 units wins your ahead 1 unit then place 1 unit on the winning side and go up to 2 units on the side that lost, the one that only had 1 unit on it.
    If the side that had 2 units on it lost keep only 1 unit on the winning side but increase your wager on the losing side up to 3 units.
    If the side that has the 3 units on it wins and the side with 1 unit loses you are ahead 1 unit, so place 1 unit on the side that won and 2 units on the side that lost.
    If the side with 3 units on it loses and the side with 1 unit wins keep one unit on the side that won and increase your wager on the losing side up to 5 units.
    If the side with 5 units on it wins you are up 1 unit . Place 1 unit on the winning side and increase the losing side up to 2 units.
    If the side with 5 units on it loses keep 1 unit on the side that won and increase your wager up to 9 units on the losing side.
    If the side with 9 units on it wins you are up 1 unit. Place 1 unit on that winning side and increase the unit on the losing side up to 2 units.
    If the side with 9 units loses we STOP HERE AND TAKE OUR LOSS! We are only down 15 units NOT 31 units like we would be after 5 losses in a row if we were only playing ONE SIDE [ P or B] and doubling our wager after each loss.
WE ARE DOWN LESS THAN 50% of what we could be, talk about minimizing losses.

A 2-1-2-1 strategy is easy what you do is break ALL your play into segments and win or lose you leave after a segment and take a break and return later to start another segment.
But here is how you play each segment.
Bankroll required
You need 30 units- each unit MUST be at least the table minimum bet [ example; at a $ 1.00 table you need $ 30.00 at a $ 5.00 table you need $150.00 ] per segment to be played also you NEED to be able to play AT LEAST 3 segments
Start segment one by playing the 1-2-3-5-9-unit progression with DOUBLE the wager progression. Play 2-4-6-10-18 with 2 units on the other side as your backup wager. Play this way until you win 30 units or bust [ your average bust will be 50 % of segment money- 15 units].IF YOU WIN 30 UNITS: walk away and take a break or find another table to play at.
When you return to play this time [ your 2nd segment ] Play 1-2-3-5-9 unit progression with 1 unit as your backup wager. IF YOU BUST: start over playing 2-4-6- 10-18 unit progression with a 2 unit back-up wager again.
EVERY TIME YOU BUST START OVER WITH THE 2-4-6-10-18 PROGRESSION WITH THE 2 UNIT BACK-UP WAGER.
EVERY TIME YOU WIN 15 UNITS ON YOUR 2ND SEGMENT START OVER--PLAYING THE 2-4-6-10-18 PROGRESSION WITH A 2 UNIT BACK-UP WAGER.
So when you are playing the 2-4-6-10-18 progression your average bust will be 15 units and when you play the 1-2-3-5-9 progression your average bust will be 8 units.

I understand that in Baccarat we can see like 15 Player or Banker in a row but not as often as you may think.

THIS IS JUST AN OLD CRAPS METHOD THAT I FOUND YEARS AGO AND ADAPTED FOR BACCARAT WHILE I WAS TESTING PATTERN BREAKER I was going bonkers waiting for the Pattern Breaker triggers to play so it filled the time nicely.

Can you lose surely you could have PPPPPPPPPP or BBBBBBBBBB but not every session or every day while you are playing this kind of method or idea.


Stuart

Please no personal attacks, please.

[sentinel3]

@Sentinel ....please let us know how you go with 1,2 , I am really keen to hear it

@Dr Sudoku.....I am sure you already mentioned , and I apologize if you did, but how long you've been using 1,2 for?

Yes I love baccarat too and it is my preferred game, but in my B&M casino there is no many baccarat tables , so it makes my games longer and minimum bet is $25 . But like many of us said...patience is the key

And here in Australia we have bad situation with online casino's , not many available to us (so far only 2 I know of) , so we are pretty much like USA players , not much choice

Hi Footy73

I will do after my first game this morning im 10--0 with the two step. I actually came in after I had a win on the third step of the progression. And its payed off.

Obviously according to my 2000 game analysis. In which I found the longest streak to be 15 games. And Dr says his best streak to date is 14. I must now expect a loss is now coming soon.

[sentinel3]

JL,
Playing it only on H/L? You can also try switching continuously from R/B to O/E to H/L as I have mentioned before.

Yes Doctor I may well do that. For the first 100 games. Im going to stick on HL. Just to see how it does on my original choice. For the next 100 game set. I will mix it up. And then compare the two. Cheers...

[footy73]

@Sentinel

Thanks buddy , appreciate that. With your and Dr Sudoku's experience and way of playing , I am sure this is going to be good. As you know it also matches with my opinion and tests too. I know Ricky is also experimenting with different MM's at the moment and it seems that you ,DR, CHT, Ricky and myself are going the same way when it comes to MM .
My next 30-40 sessions I will be playing PB that way (and I am not talking programming and testing, but real play like last time) .

I don't know if you read my posts but I have mentioned that out of so many losses I have had with both ways I was playing there was only 1 double loss. All other losses would be winners in next set of 3 pattern , mostly on first or second bet (PB DID NOT have any double loss by the way) . What is you opinion on playing that one for full or half recovery straight away...or you think it is better to just cope with the loss and keep playing ?

[sentinel3]

@Sentinel

Thanks buddy , appreciate that. With your and Dr Sudoku's experience and way of playing , I am sure this is going to be good. As you know it also matches with my opinion and tests too. I know Ricky is also experimenting with different MM's at the moment and it seems that you ,DR, CHT, Ricky and myself are going the same way when it comes to MM .
My next 30-40 sessions I will be playing PB that way (and I am not talking programming and testing, but real play like last time) .

I don't know if you read my posts but I have mentioned that out of so many losses I have had with both ways I was playing there was only 1 double loss. All other losses would be winners in next set of 3 pattern , mostly on first or second bet (PB DID NOT have any double loss by the way) . What is you opinion on playing that one for full or half recovery straight away...or you think it is better to just cope with the loss and keep playing ?

Regarding recovery from losses. Double losses only happened to me once every 25 to 30 losses on average. So basically I would average one double loss every 300 games.

So its pretty sold to have at least double stakes on the follow up game. Which I did when playing HL exclusively.

With Dr Sudokus 2 step revision. I am using a 4 LEVEL PLAN as follows.

LEVEL 1=1--2--DROP TO AFTER 4 WINS
LEVEL 2=2--4--STANDARD LEVEL
LEVEL 3=4--8--RISE TO AFTER 2 LOSSES
LEVEL 4=8--16 USE AFTER 3 LOSSES.

This how im staking two step PB. Going over 2000 games. There are two constants. 4 wins is the most common winning streak. And more than three losses in a row are uncommon.

So my current 10 game streak I dropped from level 2 to level 1 from game 5. And will stay there until I lose. Then go back to standard level. Im on a freak streak at the moment. Most streaks wont go beyond 6 in a row.

[Viking64]

Could you explain the progression a bit more clearly- you say 'drop to after 4 wins' - what do you drop to? Same question for 'rise to after two losses' - the explanation seems to be missing a number?

Apologies if I have wrong end of stick.

[Viking64]

I re-read this and have got it now.

Do I take it you're only betting on the first and second outcome of a triplet?

1st bet (bet2) - lose
2nd bet (bet4) - lose - quit
3rd - no bet

Start again...

[footy73]

@Sentinel

Somehow I missed out on Dr Sudoku's MM plan , but it seems like it's very smart and reasonable one. No high risks.

What I just did today with my 4 games(sessions) was......if I lose on , for example, PBB is last pattern and I lost first 2 bets , I play again immediately after, but instead of 1,2 I play 2,4 and it does go well...so I ended up with - 1 unit instead of -3, . That unit gets recovered with next 1,2 win easy.

But yes i still like Dr's MM and really am keen to follow your progress. Good luck mate

[Ricky]

LEVEL 1=1--2--DROP TO AFTER 4 WINS
LEVEL 2=2--4--STANDARD LEVEL
LEVEL 3=4--8--RISE TO AFTER 2 LOSSES
LEVEL 4=8--16 USE AFTER 3 LOSSES.

Hi Sentinel,
this is a great staking strategy. It is safe and has a plan to recover in case of 2-3 losses. As I mentioned earlier, once we have consistent wins and our bankroll can support it, having a multilevel staking strategy can accelerate our bankroll. I would like to ultimately get to a 4 Level strategy betting
Level 1  5 base unit
Level 2 10 base unit
Level 3  20 base unit
Level 4  40 base units per session spread over multiple days.

But this cannot be done using a 1-2-4 progression. Maybe I can try this with your suggested 1-2 progression approach which will require a smaller bankroll and have a plan for recovery.

So the plan would be
Base Unit = $5
progression as you described
LEVEL 1=1--2--DROP TO AFTER 4 WINS
LEVEL 2=2--4--STANDARD LEVEL                                    FOR CONSECUTIVE 10 WINS
LEVEL 3=4--8--RISE TO AFTER 2 LOSSES
LEVEL 4=8--16 USE AFTER 3 LOSSES.

After 10 wins on LEVEL 2 increase base Unit to $10 and repeat the process for another 10 consecutive wins
Then increase to Base Bet of $20 and repeat the process for another 10 consecutive wins
Then increase to Base Bet of $40 and repeat the process for another 10 consecutive wins

This can be played over 4-5 days depending on lucky streak. Maybe extend to 2 weeks. Then repeat the process starting at $5 until you reach a certain bankroll to support higher base bets of >$80

Cheers,
Ricky

[footy73]

Sounds good Ricky, let us know how you are going mate

[Andre Chass]

let us know how you are going mate

[bikemotorman]

I have been doing this with Baccarat for a while with good results, I have combined it with Pattern Breaker because I was getting a bit bored so this filled the time and using them together I call it the SLEDGEHAMMER LOL, so prepare to be dazzled.

Will it win all the time no, will it lose all the time no.

I start when I see PPPP or BBBB.

Start by placing 2 units after you have PPPP on B or vice versa if you have BBBB.
    If the side with 2 units wins your ahead 1 unit then place 1 unit on the winning side and go up to 2 units on the side that lost, the one that only had 1 unit on it.
    If the side that had 2 units on it lost keep only 1 unit on the winning side but increase your wager on the losing side up to 3 units.
    If the side that has the 3 units on it wins and the side with 1 unit loses you are ahead 1 unit, so place 1 unit on the side that won and 2 units on the side that lost.
    If the side with 3 units on it loses and the side with 1 unit wins keep one unit on the side that won and increase your wager on the losing side up to 5 units.
    If the side with 5 units on it wins you are up 1 unit . Place 1 unit on the winning side and increase the losing side up to 2 units.
    If the side with 5 units on it loses keep 1 unit on the side that won and increase your wager up to 9 units on the losing side.
    If the side with 9 units on it wins you are up 1 unit. Place 1 unit on that winning side and increase the unit on the losing side up to 2 units.
    If the side with 9 units loses we STOP HERE AND TAKE OUR LOSS! We are only down 15 units NOT 31 units like we would be after 5 losses in a row if we were only playing ONE SIDE [ P or B] and doubling our wager after each loss.
WE ARE DOWN LESS THAN 50% of what we could be, talk about minimizing losses.

A 2-1-2-1 strategy is easy what you do is break ALL your play into segments and win or lose you leave after a segment and take a break and return later to start another segment.
But here is how you play each segment.
Bankroll required
You need 30 units- each unit MUST be at least the table minimum bet [ example; at a $ 1.00 table you need $ 30.00 at a $ 5.00 table you need $150.00 ] per segment to be played also you NEED to be able to play AT LEAST 3 segments
Start segment one by playing the 1-2-3-5-9-unit progression with DOUBLE the wager progression. Play 2-4-6-10-18 with 2 units on the other side as your backup wager. Play this way until you win 30 units or bust [ your average bust will be 50 % of segment money- 15 units].IF YOU WIN 30 UNITS: walk away and take a break or find another table to play at.
When you return to play this time [ your 2nd segment ] Play 1-2-3-5-9 unit progression with 1 unit as your backup wager. IF YOU BUST: start over playing 2-4-6- 10-18 unit progression with a 2 unit back-up wager again.
EVERY TIME YOU BUST START OVER WITH THE 2-4-6-10-18 PROGRESSION WITH THE 2 UNIT BACK-UP WAGER.
EVERY TIME YOU WIN 15 UNITS ON YOUR 2ND SEGMENT START OVER--PLAYING THE 2-4-6-10-18 PROGRESSION WITH A 2 UNIT BACK-UP WAGER.
So when you are playing the 2-4-6-10-18 progression your average bust will be 15 units and when you play the 1-2-3-5-9 progression your average bust will be 8 units.

I understand that in Baccarat we can see like 15 Player or Banker in a row but not as often as you may think.

THIS IS JUST AN OLD CRAPS METHOD THAT I FOUND YEARS AGO AND ADAPTED FOR BACCARAT WHILE I WAS TESTING PATTERN BREAKER I was going bonkers waiting for the Pattern Breaker triggers to play so it filled the time nicely.

Can you lose surely you could have PPPPPPPPPP or BBBBBBBBBB but not every session or every day while you are playing this kind of method or idea.


Stuart

Please no personal attacks, please.

Ok had a nice little session with the SLEDGEHAMMER today and I had some good profits too check out the sheet guys.

Pattern Breaker and the above STREAKS method adapted to Baccarat is quite fun.

I stop at the first W and then retrack to get my next triple to play against.

You must trust the method and not second guess and play in FEAR.
Stuart

[DoctorSudoku]

@Sentinel

Thanks buddy , appreciate that. With your and Dr Sudoku's experience and way of playing , I am sure this is going to be good. As you know it also matches with my opinion and tests too. I know Ricky is also experimenting with different MM's at the moment and it seems that you ,DR, CHT, Ricky and myself are going the same way when it comes to MM .
My next 30-40 sessions I will be playing PB that way (and I am not talking programming and testing, but real play like last time) .

I don't know if you read my posts but I have mentioned that out of so many losses I have had with both ways I was playing there was only 1 double loss. All other losses would be winners in next set of 3 pattern , mostly on first or second bet (PB DID NOT have any double loss by the way) . What is you opinion on playing that one for full or half recovery straight away...or you think it is better to just cope with the loss and keep playing ?

I am a very conservative bettor, especially when it comes to roulette (slight less so for craps and baccarat). My goal is always bank roll preservation first, given the vagaries of this game.

I have noticed that well over 80% of the wins come on the first two bets, so that is why I am giving the 1 2 a try. I started playing this progression about six months ago (previously, for about two years prior to that I had used the 1 2 2 progression with good results).

It is still early days and so far the 1 2 is holding up well. But I am willing to tweak it further, if it is necessary.

I am also interested in the 1 1 3, but for now I will stick with the above approach until and unless the empirical results indicate otherwise.

[DoctorSudoku]

I have been doing this with Baccarat for a while with good results, I have combined it with Pattern Breaker because I was getting a bit bored so this filled the time and using them together I call it the SLEDGEHAMMER LOL, so prepare to be dazzled.

Will it win all the time no, will it lose all the time no.

I start when I see PPPP or BBBB.

Start by placing 2 units after you have PPPP on B or vice versa if you have BBBB.
    If the side with 2 units wins your ahead 1 unit then place 1 unit on the winning side and go up to 2 units on the side that lost, the one that only had 1 unit on it.
    If the side that had 2 units on it lost keep only 1 unit on the winning side but increase your wager on the losing side up to 3 units.
    If the side that has the 3 units on it wins and the side with 1 unit loses you are ahead 1 unit, so place 1 unit on the side that won and 2 units on the side that lost.
    If the side with 3 units on it loses and the side with 1 unit wins keep one unit on the side that won and increase your wager on the losing side up to 5 units.
    If the side with 5 units on it wins you are up 1 unit . Place 1 unit on the winning side and increase the losing side up to 2 units.
    If the side with 5 units on it loses keep 1 unit on the side that won and increase your wager up to 9 units on the losing side.
    If the side with 9 units on it wins you are up 1 unit. Place 1 unit on that winning side and increase the unit on the losing side up to 2 units.
    If the side with 9 units loses we STOP HERE AND TAKE OUR LOSS! We are only down 15 units NOT 31 units like we would be after 5 losses in a row if we were only playing ONE SIDE [ P or B] and doubling our wager after each loss.
WE ARE DOWN LESS THAN 50% of what we could be, talk about minimizing losses.

A 2-1-2-1 strategy is easy what you do is break ALL your play into segments and win or lose you leave after a segment and take a break and return later to start another segment.
But here is how you play each segment.
Bankroll required
You need 30 units- each unit MUST be at least the table minimum bet [ example; at a $ 1.00 table you need $ 30.00 at a $ 5.00 table you need $150.00 ] per segment to be played also you NEED to be able to play AT LEAST 3 segments
Start segment one by playing the 1-2-3-5-9-unit progression with DOUBLE the wager progression. Play 2-4-6-10-18 with 2 units on the other side as your backup wager. Play this way until you win 30 units or bust [ your average bust will be 50 % of segment money- 15 units].IF YOU WIN 30 UNITS: walk away and take a break or find another table to play at.
When you return to play this time [ your 2nd segment ] Play 1-2-3-5-9 unit progression with 1 unit as your backup wager. IF YOU BUST: start over playing 2-4-6- 10-18 unit progression with a 2 unit back-up wager again.
EVERY TIME YOU BUST START OVER WITH THE 2-4-6-10-18 PROGRESSION WITH THE 2 UNIT BACK-UP WAGER.
EVERY TIME YOU WIN 15 UNITS ON YOUR 2ND SEGMENT START OVER--PLAYING THE 2-4-6-10-18 PROGRESSION WITH A 2 UNIT BACK-UP WAGER.
So when you are playing the 2-4-6-10-18 progression your average bust will be 15 units and when you play the 1-2-3-5-9 progression your average bust will be 8 units.

I understand that in Baccarat we can see like 15 Player or Banker in a row but not as often as you may think.

THIS IS JUST AN OLD CRAPS METHOD THAT I FOUND YEARS AGO AND ADAPTED FOR BACCARAT WHILE I WAS TESTING PATTERN BREAKER I was going bonkers waiting for the Pattern Breaker triggers to play so it filled the time nicely.

Can you lose surely you could have PPPPPPPPPP or BBBBBBBBBB but not every session or every day while you are playing this kind of method or idea.


Stuart

Please no personal attacks, please.

Stuart,
Thanks for sharing this "differential betting"-type method (I say "type" because it is not a strict differential betting method since you are actually still betting both sides). 

I think this method would work better for Pass versus Don't Pass in craps (since the P vs DP is choppier compared to the B vs P  in baccarat).

[footy73]

@Dr Sudoku,

You are right, safe and cautious betting , without crazy bets , chasing losses, huge progressions is the way to go . I liked 1, 1, 3 progression, but after so many games played and after seeing what you and others are also saying, it is not so good because lots of wins do come on second bet . Perhaps 1,2,3 is not bad either.....it's work in progress and we are getting somewhere