*PATTERN BREAKER*

[Winner]

Andre,
My strike rate is going to be lower than yours for the simple reason that I am using a 1 2 progression.

So anytime I do NOT get a win on those two steps, I record a loss for that series.

However, I lose only 3 units.

And that is easier to recover than if you are down by 5 units (with 1 2 2 or 1 1 3) or 7 units (with 1 2 4) -- in which case your recovery phase would be longer.

So the tradeoff is that my strike rate is lower than yours, but my recovery phase is also shorter (and, possibly, less stressful) than yours.

how would you recover if you have 8 losing bets in row ?

[DoctorSudoku]

how would you recover if you have 8 losing bets in row ?

So far, I have not had 8 losing bets in a row.

And if I did, I would still stick with the 1 2 progression.

I have had some back-to-back series losses (4 consecutive losing spins which equate to 2 series losses).

When they happen, I am down 6 units, but given my strike rate so far (12-1 for roulette and 10-1 for baccarat), I have been able to recoup my losses fairly easily.

JL and others are using a recovery progression (which I am against pretty strongly as I have mentioned in the previous couple of pages).

[Winner]

So far, I have not had 8 losing bets in a row.

And if I did, I would still stick with the 1 2 progression.

I have had some back-to-back series losses (4 consecutive losing spins which equate to 2 series losses).

When they happen, I am down 6 units, but given my strike rate so far (12-1 for roulette and 10-1 for baccarat), I have been able to recoup my losses fairly easily.

JL and others are using a recovery progression (which I am against pretty strongly as I have mentioned in the previous couple of pages).

so your 12/1 that's roughly 39 bets placed?

[sentinel3]

So far, I have not had 8 losing bets in a row.

And if I did, I would still stick with the 1 2 progression.

I have had some back-to-back series losses (4 consecutive losing spins which equate to 2 series losses).

When they happen, I am down 6 units, but given my strike rate so far (12-1 for roulette and 10-1 for baccarat), I have been able to recoup my losses fairly easily.

JL and others are using a recovery progression (which I am against pretty strongly as I have mentioned in the previous couple of pages).

Yes bare in mind im only willing to do this because I have a large sample of games. And see the consistency over the years..still I just didnt like letting thise step 3 wins go.

And have gone back to the 3 step system lol. I know now though that either way will work. But since I started doing the 2 step just on HL. A big streak has developed. I was 40 games in. And had only had 2 PURE LOSSES. The breakdown for the 40 is

5--L--13--L--20 (CURRENT)

In that fantastic streak of 20 there are 3 step 3 wins. I have to maintain with the original way of playing this system. Its never let me down in 11 years. I ALWAYS KNOW im coming out of EVERY 100 game set with PROFIT.

It never matters where the wins and losses come in the 100 game universe. The result is ALWAYS 12--60 units of profit at the end.

[DoctorSudoku]

so your 12/1 that's roughly 39 bets placed?

12-1 is the strike rate. For every loss of a series, I have 12 wins (i.e. 12 series wins).

As I have said before, I use a 1 2 progression (if I lose both bets, I record the series as a loss).

1 loss means I lost both bets for the 1 2 progression (for a 3 unit loss).

1 win means I won that series either at the 1 unit step or the 2 unit step.

Just to be clear, I only play the 2 unit bet (the second step), if I lose the 1 unit bet (the first step).

Regardless of whether I get the win at the 1 unit step or the 2 unit step, I make a 1 unit profit for that series.

[DoctorSudoku]

Yes bare in mind im only willing to do this because I have a large sample of games. And see the consistency over the years..still I just didnt like letting thise step 3 wins go.

And have gone back to the 3 step system lol. I know now though that either way will work. But since I started doing the 2 step just on HL. A big streak has developed. I was 40 games in. And had only had 2 PURE LOSSES. The breakdown for the 40 is

5--L--13--L--20 (CURRENT)

In that fantastic streak of 20 there are 3 step 3 wins. I have to maintain with the original way of playing this system. Its never let me down in 11 years. I ALWAYS KNOW im coming out of EVERY 100 game set with PROFIT.

It never matters where the wins and losses come in the 100 game universe. The result is ALWAYS 12--60 units of profit at the end.

JL,

I agree that it is a percentage game that we are playing -- and we should assess our results after, say, 50 series or 100 series.

I just use the 1 2 progression, given my aversion to risk (I am MORE risk averse than you are, obviously).

   

[Winner]

How about a guetting progression?

[DoctorSudoku]

How about a guetting progression?

I have not tried it.

I started having success with PB around September, 2015.

Until about six months ago, I played PB with the 1 2 2 progression with a decent amount of success (as I have explained several times before in this thread, I implemented my own set of tweaks in playing PB).

Then a few months ago,  I started employing the 1 2 progression to make things "tighter."

In other words, while my strike rate went down, my recovery sessions became shorter.

I now needed only 3 series wins to make up for 1 series loss (I explained that in a post earlier on in this page).

As of now, with the 1 2 progression,  I am now enjoying a strike rate of 10-1 in baccarat and 12-1 in roulette (theoretically, I have to admit, it should be the other way around, but I am just reporting my results so far).

[DoctorSudoku]

An addition to my previous post:

The guetting progression is a quasi-positive progression. It definitely has its uses for certain bet selection methods.

For betting against rare patterns (like against the 8th pattern as in PB), a mild negative progression would do a good job. 

Since I like to keep things simple, the 1 2 negative progression is tolerably good enough for me (at least for the time being).

Having said that, I can still understand the reason why the guetting progression is worth giving a try (maybe a test project  for the future !).

[DoctorSudoku]

Doc did you get my PM about the darkside stuff?


Stuart

Stuart,

I have not forgotten about your dark side craps strategy.

I will send you a response about it this weekend.

[keepontryin]

I have not tried it.

I started having success with PB around September, 2015.

Until about six months ago, I played PB with the 1 2 2 progression with a decent amount of success (as I have explained several times before in this thread, I implemented my own set of tweaks in playing PB).

Then a few months ago,  I started employing the 1 2 progression to make things "tighter."

In other words, while my strike rate went down, my recovery sessions became shorter.

I now needed only 3 series wins to make up for 1 series loss (I explained that in a post earlier on in this page).

As of now, with the 1 2 progression,  I am now enjoying a strike rate of 10-1 in baccarat and 12-1 in roulette (theoretically, I have to admit, it should be the other way around, but I am just reporting my results so far).

.................WHY WOULD ANYONE PLAY REPEATERS??

[bikemotorman]

Hey, guys, I have a question do the results have to be played out in a matrix what would happen if I did it like this here are some results from BetPheonix today dealer one.


PBPBPBBPBBBPPBPBPBPBPBPPBPBBBBBPBBBBBPPBBPBBBPPBPBPBPBBPBBB........DONE


Stuart

[DoctorSudoku]

.................WHY WOULD ANYONE PLAY REPEATERS??

I get your sarcasm directed at me. But you are aiming it at the wrong person.

I have nothing against the repeaters method. Last year I spent a lot of time on it -- researching  it using my collection of 5,000-plus
dealer-spun and airball wheel spins.

I found the most promising approach is to target the following two groups of numbers:

1. Betting on the 2-peaters to become 3-peaters.

and, to a lesser extent,

2. Betting on the 3-peaters to become 4-peaters.

For some cycles, flat betting was enough (when the above-listed repeaters were hitting frequently and they were genuinely still "hot").

For most cycles, though, when the above-listed repeaters were not hitting frequently (i.e. they had become "cold")  flat betting did not work.

So the only way out was either using a positive progression on the very few repeaters that were actually hitting or using a negative progression.

But neither approach worked consistently well.

My test bankroll kept getting into a bigger and bigger hole.

I remain interested in the repeaters method -- and I am keeping up with what others are posting about it elsewhere in this forum.

But, for now, I am not playing the repeaters method with real money.

Again, nice try with the sarcasm.

[DoctorSudoku]

Hey, guys, I have a question do the results have to be played out in a matrix what would happen if I did it like this here are some results from BetPheonix today dealer one.


PBPBPBBPBBBPPBPBPBPBPBPPBPBBBBBPBBBBBPPBBPBBBPPBPBPBPBBPBBB........DONE


Stuart

Stuart,

For readability reasons, laying the results out in sets of 3 is better (which means that you are less likely to make a mistake in your tracking).

So, for the first 12 results, you have:

PBP
BPB
BPB
BBP

and so on and so forth.

[jsintl]

Yes bare in mind im only willing to do this because I have a large sample of games. And see the consistency over the years..still I just didnt like letting thise step 3 wins go.

And have gone back to the 3 step system lol. I know now though that either way will work. But since I started doing the 2 step just on HL. A big streak has developed. I was 40 games in. And had only had 2 PURE LOSSES. The breakdown for the 40 is

5--L--13--L--20 (CURRENT)

In that fantastic streak of 20 there are 3 step 3 wins. I have to maintain with the original way of playing this system. Its never let me down in 11 years. I ALWAYS KNOW im coming out of EVERY 100 game set with PROFIT.

It never matters where the wins and losses come in the 100 game universe. The result is ALWAYS 12--60 units of profit at the end.

Hello

In the event of losing the series (1,2,4) or 7 units, do you stop for the day or do you continue on.  What about your daily stop win in units, how many units and will call it a day.

Best regards,