*PATTERN BREAKER*

[cht]

I get your sarcasm directed at me. But you are aiming it at the wrong person.

I have nothing against the repeaters method. Last year I spent a lot of time on it -- researching  it using my collection of 5,000-plus
dealer-spun and airball wheel spins.

I found the most promising approach is to target the following two groups of numbers:

1. Betting on the 2-peaters to become 3-peaters.

and, to a lesser extent,

2. Betting on the 3-peaters to become 4-peaters.

For some cycles, flat betting was enough (when the above-listed repeaters were hitting frequently and they were genuinely still "hot").

For most cycles, though, when the above-listed repeaters were not hitting frequently (i.e. they had become "cold")  flat betting did not work.

So the only way out was either using a positive progression on the very few repeaters that were actually hitting or using a negative progression.

But neither approach worked consistently well.

My test bankroll kept getting into a bigger and bigger hole.

I remain interested in the repeaters method -- and I am keeping up with what others are posting about it elsewhere in this forum.

But, for now, I am not playing the repeaters method with real money.

Again, nice try with the sarcasm.

Playing 2 peaters for 3 or 3 peaters for 4,  our tests show that they fail.

Carpet bomb with positive or negative progression only serve to create holes when they miss.

One approach that's posted by others is to limit loss to the session br when miss, win multiples of session br when win - cut the losses short, let the profits run.

The way to design repeaters method is to understand -

1. which repeaters hit above odds,

2. when those repeaters hit.

If the method work,  it should work with flat bet.

[Andre Chass]

Andre,
My strike rate is going to be lower than yours for the simple reason that I am using a 1 2 progression.

So anytime I do NOT get a win on those two steps, I record a loss for that series.

However, I lose only 3 units.

And that is easier to recover than if you are down by 5 units (with 1 2 2 or 1 1 3) or 7 units (with 1 2 4) -- in which case your recovery phase would be longer.

So the tradeoff is that my strike rate is lower than yours, but my recovery phase is also shorter (and, possibly, less stressful) than yours.

Hi doc

Now I understand it. It's because you use a two steps progression so you consequently have more losses...

Obviously

[cht]

.................WHY WOULD ANYONE PLAY REPEATERS??

Sarcasm aside, repeaters method is based on frequency distribution study, however the edge is elusive.

Pattern method is simple to play but fragile won't work for everyone,  don't throw rocks at me. 

[Andre Chass]

Hi Andre,
let me just confirm how you are using those virtual losses because as I am only playing 1-2 method I am thinking of a similar idea so I do not get disappointed when the third step of the pattern I did not bet actually would have won because it did not repeat a third time.
So are you waiting for BPP BPP and then watch the next two spins. If they start to repeat with BP you then bet BPB?
So you are betting against BPP BPP BPP BP forming (3 times the pattern and then the start of a fourth pattern). You're are saying this pattern is rare to repeat 3.5 times. Well that would have covered my 2 losses I experienced yesterday but given I am only doing a 2 step progression I can handle more losses than what you are able to.

But what I was thinking with a two step progression I may do the first step virtual and then bet the last two steps of the 3rd repeat of the pattern so I actually get to see the sequence and if the first step is a virtual loss then my next two bets will test that the full 3 steps were a repeat or not. I would not be disappointed that I did not bet the last step and if I lose then I can really say the Casino got lucky. The only disappointment would be if I missed winning on the 1st step. but I would have not started betting so I can call that a lost opportunity to bet and no big deal.

So my thinking would be wait for BPP BPP B and then bet BB (opposite of PP). So if BPP BPP P comes out I have lost opportunity to win on the first step and do not bet

Cheers,
Ricky.

Hi Ricky

That's it!

I'm waiting for BPP BPP and then watch the next two spins. If they start to repeat with BP I then bet BPB.

I'm betting against BPP BPP BPP BP forming (3 times the pattern and then the start of a fourth pattern).

I've never seen a pattern forming four times in a row. It's really very rare.

It can be a long wait but i don't care because I have enough time.

Cheers

[Andre Chass]

So good so far!

Today 3 games played, 3 games won.

Profit $90

I really love playing baccarat! 

PS: Guys, I need some help on the other thread "online casinos question". I want to make a deposit at the casino to increase my bets but I'm scared...

[cht]

What is the hit rate for PBBPBBPBB ?

or,  how many of this sequence appear in say 20 shoes ie. 1000+ hands?

[Andre Chass]

What is the hit rate for PBBPBBPBB ?

or,  how many of this sequence appear in say 20 shoes ?

CHT

As I said before it can be a long waiting. I track 6 tables at the same time. 3 games I complete in about max 3 hours.

I dont know exactly

[keepontryin]

I get your sarcasm directed at me. But you are aiming it at the wrong person.

I have nothing against the repeaters method. Last year I spent a lot of time on it -- researching  it using my collection of 5,000-plus
dealer-spun and airball wheel spins.

I found the most promising approach is to target the following two groups of numbers:

1. Betting on the 2-peaters to become 3-peaters.

and, to a lesser extent,

2. Betting on the 3-peaters to become 4-peaters.

For some cycles, flat betting was enough (when the above-listed repeaters were hitting frequently and they were genuinely still "hot").

For most cycles, though, when the above-listed repeaters were not hitting frequently (i.e. they had become "cold")  flat betting did not work.

So the only way out was either using a positive progression on the very few repeaters that were actually hitting or using a negative progression.

But neither approach worked consistently well.

My test bankroll kept getting into a bigger and bigger hole.

I remain interested in the repeaters method -- and I am keeping up with what others are posting about it elsewhere in this forum.

But, for now, I am not playing the repeaters method with real money.

Again, nice try with the sarcasm.

......boy o boy you picked up on that pretty quick........its ok mean no harm just a little fun.....to all who responded to my sarcasam.......we are all here for the same thing and i applaud all of you for your hard work......again just having a little fun

[cht]

Which hit rate is faster comparing 6 shoes vs 6 wheels ?

Baccarat - PBBPBBPBB

Roulette - RBBRBBRBBRBB (tracking 3ECs)

[sentinel3]

Which hit rate is faster comparing 6 shoes vs 6 wheels ?

Baccarat - PBBPBBPBB

Roulette - RBBRBBRBBRBB (tracking 3ECs)

I cant anwser that because I dont play BACCARAT CHT. But the average game of PBR takes 36 spins to qualify. That means on average 7 patterns are closed in 36 spins. And obviously the game is then won or lost in the next 3 spins 37--39...

[sentinel3]

So good so far!

Today 3 games played, 3 games won.

Profit $90

I really love playing baccarat! 

PS: Guys, I need some help on the other thread "online casinos question". I want to make a deposit at the casino to increase my bets but I'm scared...

Well done Andre you are doing really well. What are you scared about regarding online?

[Ricky]

Which hit rate is faster comparing 6 shoes vs 6 wheels ?

Baccarat - PBBPBBPBB

Roulette - RBBRBBRBBRBB (tracking 3ECs)

Hi CHT,
I do not think you can compare Baccarat and Roulette playing this pattern. I am going to join Andre in his way of play and his bankroll so I can provide see if our results compare well. I like his idea in that to beat this pattern the Casino will need to shuffle the cards in a specific order to create the repeating pattern. If they are as rare as Andre is experiencing then this should be a winner. Applying this to Roulette, I do not think you can necessarily claim it to be as rare as the randomness of the result occurs on every spin and the more random is allowed to do its thing the more chance IMO it will find the pattern at the very moment you are betting against it.

Cheers,
Ricky

[Ricky]

Hi Ricky

That's it!

I'm waiting for BPP BPP and then watch the next two spins. If they start to repeat with BP I then bet BPB.

I'm betting against BPP BPP BPP BP forming (3 times the pattern and then the start of a fourth pattern).

I've never seen a pattern forming four times in a row. It's really very rare.

It can be a long wait but i don't care because I have enough time.

Cheers

Hi Andre,
thanks for verifying your method of play. I am now at a stage where I am going to commit serious dollars to this method of play. I have been playing at a BM casino on a similar approach but just waiting for the pattern to repeat once. I started betting immediately. As we have been observing this pattern does repeat more often but does not tend to continue for more than 1 or two times before changing or the cards running out of the shoe. Yesterday, I played with the rule to reset the tracking after Tie and played for 3 hours with 5 wins zero losses. When I ignored the Tie I found I was seeing losses. So to make the pattern even more rare I think letting the Tie break the pattern is the best option. So we should see pure patterns repeated without any Tie

Now my question is have you built a tracker that you are using to track the 6 tables and advise you of the match or is it still manual. If not I am in the process of writing one in Excel similar to the original PB once shared on the forum

Cheers,
Ricky

[Andre Chass]

Hi Andre,
thanks for verifying your method of play. I am now at a stage where I am going to commit serious dollars to this method of play. I have been playing at a BM casino on a similar approach but just waiting for the pattern to repeat once. I started betting immediately. As we have been observing this pattern does repeat more often but does not tend to continue for more than 1 or two times before changing or the cards running out of the shoe. Yesterday, I played with the rule to reset the tracking after Tie and played for 3 hours with 5 wins zero losses. When I ignored the Tie I found I was seeing losses. So to make the pattern even more rare I think letting the Tie break the pattern is the best option. So we should see pure patterns repeated without any Tie

Now my question is have you built a tracker that you are using to track the 6 tables and advise you of the match or is it still manual. If not I am in the process of writing one in Excel similar to the original PB once shared on the forum

Cheers,
Ricky

Hi Ricky

I'm happy the strategy is working for you!

It's been a long time since I've had a loss. It's great! I want to increase my bets to get a profit of $500.00 a day but I'm scared to be banned. That's my problem...

No, I don't use a tracker. I just watch the six tables (the boards) at the same time. Simple like that.

Today 3 games played, 3 games won.
Progression 30, 30, 90 profit $90

As I said before I want increasing the bet but I don't know what to do. There's no BM casino where I live.


PS: You right. Don't ignore the Tie. Always reset the tracking. That's the way I play. Only pure patterns repeated.

[jsintl]

Hi Ricky

I'm happy the strategy is working for you!

It's been a long time since I've had a loss. It's great! I want to increase my bets to get a profit of $500.00 a day but I'm scared to be banned. That's my problem...

No, I don't use a tracker. I just watch the six tables (the boards) at the same time. Simple like that.

Today 3 games played, 3 games won.
Progression 30, 30, 90 profit $90

As I said before I want increasing the bet but I don't know what to do. There's no BM casino where I live.


PS: You right. Don't ignore the Tie. Always reset the tracking. That's the way I play. Only pure patterns repeated.

Hi Andre,

What is your recommended starting BR in units to play your method?  Do you think 14 units is enough to start ?
I really would like to test your method of play.

Brgds,
Jsintl