*PATTERN BREAKER*

[DoctorSudoku]

I´m not saying it´s infalibe; nothing in roulette is. It just follows the Pattern Breaker logic. Regarding For / Against, it´s as good as Just For or as Just Against; variance won´t sleep on duty.
If you still search for a Logical way to bet, you might consider something like the following:

In a "normal" situation when the outcome can be:

BB
BR
RR - You´d bet against the remaining RB
BB - WIN - In this case the 1st was a repeat.

Now, in some other situation when the outcome could be:

RB
RR
RB - Here there is another repeat, so why not betting FOR, this time, and you´d in fact be betting AGAINST the overall pattern to form.
The remaining small pattern should either be BB or BR.
B will then be a sure bet, and if you win, the game has ended. If you lose, the next bet is ambiguous, so you´d better wait for another opportunity.

BB
RB
RB - A repeat. Betting For the big pattern to sort of complete in the next two spins, you´ll actually be betting AGAINST, as the pattern will still be broken. Which small pattern would it be?

Psimoes,
A couple of points:

1. The way many (actually, most) of us are playing JL's version of PB is that we just wait for the 7th pattern to appear, and then we immediately bet against the 8th pattern over the next 3 spins.

Side note: In recent months, I have started using the 1 2 progression for just the first two spins -- if I lose the first two bets, I just accept a 3 unit loss and I skip the third bet.

And while we are waiting for the first 7 patterns, some of the patterns do repeat, but it does NOT affect our tracking.

In other words, we do NOT care if the first 7 patterns occur with any repeats or not -- as long as the 7 patterns occur (with or without any repeats), we treat it as a valid trigger.

If we wait for a trigger without repeats, the waiting time would normally be so long that the method would not be practical to implement.


2. Regarding your suggestion to bet either for or against the last remaining pair of the 4 pairs of RR, BB, BR, and RB, I will say that it was an idea that I tested somewhat casually a couple of years ago. The results were so-so and I did not test it further.

But since you have mentioned it now, I think it might be an interesting idea for us to test it thoroughly this time around.

It may have potential.

So thanks for putting it forward.

[Andre Chass]

Hi guys

Just to say that I don't remember the last time I had a loss.

I'm going to 100k before the end of the year. Then I'll go to Vegas.

I'm not misleading, I'm not baiting.

The strategy is working great great great!!!

PS: I made a withdraw of 7k without problem. I requested the withdraw last Sunday and the money was in my bank account on Monday.

[DoctorSudoku]

Hi guys

Just to say that I don't remember the last time I had a loss.

I'm going to 100k before the end of the year. Then I'll go to Vegas.

I'm not misleading, I'm not baiting.

The strategy is working great great great!!!

PS: I made a withdraw of 7k without problem. I requested the withdraw last Sunday and the money was in my bank account on Monday.

Awesome !

Keep up the good work and please keep us updated about your results and any changes to your method (progression, trigger, and other pertinent stuff like that).

[Andre Chass]

Awesome !

Keep up the good work and please keep us updated about your results and any changes to your method (progression, trigger, and other pertinent stuff like that).

Thank you Doc!

[Andre Chass]

Ricky

Didi you understand the way I play?

I explained to you yesterday.

Cheers

[cht]

Hi guys

Just to say that I don't remember the last time I had a loss.

I'm going to 100k before the end of the year. Then I'll go to Vegas.

I'm not misleading, I'm not baiting.

The strategy is working great great great!!!

PS: I made a withdraw of 7k without problem. I requested the withdraw last Sunday and the money was in my bank account on Monday.

You want to play baccarat for real money. Play where I play - the mecca of bacs. You get lots of dragon, picture and YES !!!

[andrebac]

Hi psimoes,
this theory sounds logical and is just another way to skin this same cat. It allows you to bet a 2 step on the breaking of the pattern. Sometime you'll win, sometimes you'll lose. The trick is to identify how rare this happens. If it is rare you are in a winning position but with only four possibilities of being right or wrong I think long term this may not be enough to overcome random. With only 2 step and ALWAYS betting against the pattern you allow random to get lucky.
I am testing the idea that even with a sequence of 3 you can still bet 2 step but vary you choice of betting FOR or AGAINST the pattern of the last two based on the result of the first in the sequence. If the result is a start of the 8th pattern forming then you continue betting FOR the 8th pattern to complete. If the first result does not match the start of the 8th pattern then you continue betting against the remaining 2 steps forming the rest of the 8th pattern. This will keep random guessing which way you are going to bet. It may cause more of a rare event than just ALWAYS betting against the last pattern forming.

I am testing this out with good results so far comparable to the 1-2-4 step win/loss ratios. But more testing is required.

Cheers,
Ricky

Hi, I don't post too much but I read this thread every day since beginning.
I like your idea but I apply it in the opposite way you described.
I want tell you why, but let me know if I am wrong.... lol

The use of your technique is to bet 2 times only, instead 3 (1-2-4).
Let's suppose the 8th remaining set is PPB
we wait for the next decision, say P
now if we decided to bet FOR the 8th pattern, we won already the first attempt, instead
if I decided to bet AGAINST, I would have loss my first attempt, so, in this case, I would continue to bet AGAINST for the next 1or 2 decisions as I have had a previous virtual loss.
hope that's clear...
A

[Ricky]

Hi, I don't post too much but I read this thread every day since beginning.
I like your idea but I apply it in the opposite way you described.
I want tell you why, but let me know if I am wrong.... lol

The use of your technique is to bet 2 times only, instead 3 (1-2-4).
Let's suppose the 8th remaining set is PPB
we wait for the next decision, say P
now if we decided to bet FOR the 8th pattern, we won already the first attempt, instead
if I decided to bet AGAINST, I would have loss my first attempt, so, in this case, I would continue to bet AGAINST for the next 1or 2 decisions as I have had a previous virtual loss.
hope that's clear...
A

That is another valid way of approaching the decision. This would mean you continue with original PATTERN BREAKER concept and rules and you are saved one loss by virtual betting the first. So the only way you can lose in this case is if the 8th Pattern does follow the 7th
But then what would you decide if your virtual bet won also? Would you stop with a virtual win? With your logic its best to stop and not bet in this session. no loss to bankroll.

As I mentioned the logic I am using is to try to keep random guessing which way I will bet. It is not the same for each game. But it too has its drawback. You could say that you are guessing the way random is going to go - FOR or AGAINST. In any case as long as you stick to the same rules in your decisions you should measure its success or failure over 100 games to see if you come out ahead.

Also you need to decide if you play continuously or hit and run with limited games each day. In terms of this point, I think you can continuously play with a set of daily targets as per Bret Morton's advise. I am starting to use the following guidelines:
Set daily target
1. Set HAPPY POINT - target which you will be happy to reach for the day
2. GOLD-TOP : Target which you are feeling great to have achieved and better than happy
3. BOTTOM-LINE - Target which, after reaching gold-top, you are prepared to stop with should you experience a sudden losing streak after reaching Gold Top
4. LOSS-LIMIT - if you do not make your profit targets and have a bad losing streak this will be your safety net to protect your bankroll and Fighting Fund from ruin
5. JACKPOT -  when on a winning streak and exceeding all your profit targets you have hit the JACKPOT which will stop when your winning streak ends. This should not go below GOLD-TOP once reached. So keep betting with your profit and pocket 50% of each win at this point. Once you lose your remaining 50% you stop with your final JACKPOT profit.

Cheers,
Ricky

[Ricky]

Ricky

Didi you understand the way I play?

I explained to you yesterday.

Cheers

Hi Andre,
Yes I understand. Also to let you know I only can track two tables. Still using my spreadsheet which includes your patterns (the 4 before you dropped the other 2). Although I have not had many opportunities to bet with your method I am at 100% success (9-0) and with this I am betting bigger for 3 steps starting at first step of pattern. I am getting more opportunities betting original PB with my 0-1-2 progression but have just hit a small losing streak after 50 games (46-4). Fortuniately I came across your method twice and recovered. So What I may decide to do for recovery is to stop betting PB until I have recovered with PB-ANDRE. This sounds like a good compromise of not having to wait too long for a betting opportunity and using a solid bet selection when required to recover. Also note I am starting at the beginning of the shoe and enter the entire history into my spreadsheet and then continue tracking. This reduces the time to wait for a betting opportunity. In doing so, each time I came across a bet meeting your criteria I checked to see if I would have won. I missed around 5 opportunities so far. Each one of them would have resulted in a WIN. So I am feeling confident about using your method. When I have an opportunity to track 6 tables I may switch to your version for a while as it is quite reliable.

How are you going? Come across any losses so far?
AMENDMENT: Just ready your latest post. Obviously no losses. Congratulations. WOW 7K withdrawal excellent result. I better get a move on so I can  join you in Vegas.

Cheers,
Ricky

[jsintl]

Hi guys

Just to say that I don't remember the last time I had a loss.

I'm going to 100k before the end of the year. Then I'll go to Vegas.

I'm not misleading, I'm not baiting.

Hey Andre,

How many BR units do you recommend for your 1 1 3 6 progression?

Thanks,

The strategy is working great great great!!!

PS: I made a withdraw of 7k without problem. I requested the withdraw last Sunday and the money was in my bank account on Monday.

[Roulettebeater]

You want to play baccarat for real money. Play where I play - the mecca of bacs. You get lots of dragon, picture and YES !!!

Wow
Where is this casino located ?

It looks very clean and attractive.

[DoctorSudoku]

Wow
Where is this casino located ?

It looks very clean and attractive.

Macau (or Macao) -- ever heard of it?

If not, ask your computer simulations to figure out what the probable locations are of this mysterious place  that is so clean and attractive to your eyes.

[DoctorSudoku]

That is another valid way of approaching the decision. This would mean you continue with original PATTERN BREAKER concept and rules and you are saved one loss by virtual betting the first. So the only way you can lose in this case is if the 8th Pattern does follow the 7th
But then what would you decide if your virtual bet won also? Would you stop with a virtual win? With your logic its best to stop and not bet in this session. no loss to bankroll.

As I mentioned the logic I am using is to try to keep random guessing which way I will bet. It is not the same for each game. But it too has its drawback. You could say that you are guessing the way random is going to go - FOR or AGAINST. In any case as long as you stick to the same rules in your decisions you should measure its success or failure over 100 games to see if you come out ahead.

Also you need to decide if you play continuously or hit and run with limited games each day. In terms of this point, I think you can continuously play with a set of daily targets as per Bret Morton's advise. I am starting to use the following guidelines:
Set daily target
1. Set HAPPY POINT - target which you will be happy to reach for the day
2. GOLD-TOP : Target which you are feeling great to have achieved and better than happy
3. BOTTOM-LINE - Target which, after reaching gold-top, you are prepared to stop with should you experience a sudden losing streak after reaching Gold Top
4. LOSS-LIMIT - if you do not make your profit targets and have a bad losing streak this will be your safety net to protect your bankroll and Fighting Fund from ruin
5. JACKPOT -  when on a winning streak and exceeding all your profit targets you have hit the JACKPOT which will stop when your winning streak ends. This should not go below GOLD-TOP once reached. So keep betting with your profit and pocket 50% of each win at this point. Once you lose your remaining 50% you stop with your final JACKPOT profit.

Cheers,
Ricky

Ricky,

I have to commend you for proposing this for-or-against a rare pattern approach that you have proposed. Normally, when we are playing rare patterns-based methods, we bet against such patterns.

But you have shown that it might be a good idea to keep an open mind and to sometimes bet for such patterns -- should the first virtual bet tell you to do so. Kudos to you for suggesting this novel idea !

[andrebac]

Hi Andre,
Yes I understand. Also to let you know I only can track two tables. Still using my spreadsheet which includes your patterns (the 4 before you dropped the other 2). Although I have not had many opportunities to bet with your method I am at 100% success (9-0) and with this I am betting bigger for 3 steps starting at first step of pattern. I am getting more opportunities betting original PB with my 0-1-2 progression but have just hit a small losing streak after 50 games (46-4). Fortuniately I came across your method twice and recovered. So What I may decide to do for recovery is to stop betting PB until I have recovered with PB-ANDRE. This sounds like a good compromise of not having to wait too long for a betting opportunity and using a solid bet selection when required to recover. Also note I am starting at the beginning of the shoe and enter the entire history into my spreadsheet and then continue tracking. This reduces the time to wait for a betting opportunity. In doing so, each time I came across a bet meeting your criteria I checked to see if I would have won. I missed around 5 opportunities so far. Each one of them would have resulted in a WIN. So I am feeling confident about using your method. When I have an opportunity to track 6 tables I may switch to your version for a while as it is quite reliable.

How are you going? Come across any losses so far?
AMENDMENT: Just ready your latest post. Obviously no losses. Congratulations. WOW 7K withdrawal excellent result. I better get a move on so I can  join you in Vegas.

Cheers,
Ricky

Ricky,
maybe I have not been clear enough.
The forst decision state me to bet FOR or AGAINST the 8th set, whichever lose that virtual bet.
IE. 8th set is BPB
-next set start with B, in this case, if I bet FOR, I win that bet, but if I bet AGAINST I lost my first bet, so I bet the two remaining AGAINST (-B-P)
if instead, always 8th set is BPB
- next set start with P, here if I bet AGAINST, I win that bet but if I bet FOR, I lose my first virtual bet and continue betting with FOR 8th set (so -P-B)
In brief, you take the decision to bet FOR or AGAINST the 8th set looking at the first loss, that you skipped as it's a virtual bet and continue betting it for the next one or two decisions.
A

[Ricky]

Ricky,

I have to commend you for proposing this for-or-against a rare pattern approach that you have proposed. Normally, when we are playing rare patterns-based methods, we bet against such patterns.

But you have shown that it might be a good idea to keep an open mind and to sometimes bet for such patterns -- should the first virtual bet tell you to do so. Kudos to you for suggesting this novel idea !

Hi Doctor,
if you liked that idea please let me know what you think of this proposition.

What do we know about PATTERN BREAKER and the winning distribution.
1. We know it wins MOST of the time. And for Andre it seems ALL of the time so far. Maybe HG territory.
2. We know it wins most of the time in step 1 and 2 but sometimes gets pushed to 3rd step and ultimately loses occasionally.

Now, this to me is not 50/50 distribution of wins/losses. This is more like 40/40/10/10 where these represent % of times won in first step vs second step vs third step vs loss.

So, how about this for a betting progression that maximizes the profit on the steps which are winning and minimizes the loss on the steps that are losing or losing altogether

I have not done the sums yet and its probably a crappy idea but thought I would throuw it out there for discussion of its merits.

1. Well what if we setup 3 Reverse Labouchere sequences
Step 1 Bet                    Step 2 Bet                       Step 3 bet
1 + 1 + 1 + 1                1 + 1 + 1 + 1                     1 + 1 + 1 + 1

2. Now we bet Step one when we get the trigger
Say BBP is the last pattern we are betting AGAINST
we bet 1 + 1 = 2 on "P"

3. If it loses we cross off the 1st and last numbers in the sequence
Resulting Sequence for Step 1 after a loss is 1 + 1
   
If it wins great. We are up 2 units. We add 2 to the end of the sequence for Step 1
Resulting Sequence for Step 2 is 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 and we stop the session with a win

4. If we need to bet the 2nd Step we do not use Marty but we use the Labouchere sequence for Step 2
We bet 1 + 1 = 2 units on "P"
If that wins Great. We have won 2 units but lost 2 on the first step so we are break even. But we do the same. We add the 2 to the end of the second step sequence
Resulting Sequence for Step 2 is 1 + 1 + 1 +1 + 2

If we lose we cross off the 1st and last numbers in the sequence and go to the third step
Resulting Sequence for Step 2 after a loss is 1 + 1

5. If we need to bet the 3rd Step we do not use Marty again but we use the Labouchere sequence for Step 3
We bet 1 + 1 = 2 units on "B"
If that wins Great. We have won 2 units but lost 4 on the first and second steps so we are -2 units. But we do the same. We add the 2 to the end of the third step sequence
Resulting Sequence for Step 3 is 1 + 1 + 1 +1 + 2

If we lose we cross off the 1st and last numbers in the sequence and stop with a -6 loss
Resulting Sequence for Step 3 after a loss is 1 + 1

So assuming a win on the 1st step the three sequences are:
Step 1 : 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2
Step 2 : 1 + 1 + 1 + 1
Step 3 : 1 + 1 + 1 + 1

If we win on the 2nd Step the three sequences are:
Step 1 : 1 + 1
Step 2 : 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2
Step 3 : 1 + 1 + 1 + 1

If we win on the 3rd Step the three sequences are:
Step 1 : 1 + 1
Step 2 : 1 + 1
Step 3 : 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2

If we lose all three bets the three sequences are:
Step 1 : 1 + 1
Step 2 : 1 + 1
Step 3 : 1 + 1

Now on the next trigger we repeat the process betting the respective sequence as per a Reverse Labouchere bet.

No the theory behind this is that we are seeing long winning streaks. And they seem to usually come in the 1st and 2nd steps. So if this is the case then the first two sequences are going to form long growing sequences which will dictate how much we bet at each point in the sequence. If we start getting a long losing streak then we are going to be crossing off these sequences quite rapidly and we will start betting less not more during these periods.

But if we start getting long winning streaks we are going to start betting more during these periods. Now the only thing I can think of is that we get an even balance or chop between 1st and 2nd steps and therefore one sequence of bets will counter the other and we will never grow our profit.

So I would be interest to hear from anyone if this idea holds water given what we know about the success of PATTERNBREAKER and if we can tweak this idea to optimize the positive progression.

Cheers,
Ricky