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Andre Chass

Quote from: Ricky on Mar 29, 04:05 PM 2018
I just came back from the B&M Casino just mentioned looking for the PBB PBB PBB PBB and stayed there playing for 5 hours (talk about Patience and discipline). They had 4 Rapid Baccarat tables open.  I put on 4 bets all night playing this system and got caught twice with the Tie on the second bet causing my bankroll to go down by $55. Third time I covered the Tie with $25 and $5 on tie. And lucky I did as It came up a Third time. Recovered previous loss with it. But in 5 hours of continuous play I did not come across one PBB or BPP repeating 4 times. Closest it came was 3 times and start of 4th PBB PBB PBB P. I won on the 2nd bet but it was a break even as I was playing 30-30-90
Next time I think I may increase my bankroll and start playing 30-45-90 and cover the Tie bet as I am struggling to get caught with a real loss.

Cheers,
Ricky

Ricky

It's a good idea you cover the tie with some chips recovering previous loss playing the progression.

I don't worry about the that because I recovery the loss fast playing online casino.

I rarely go to the four step progression.

The casino can't stop me from winning. They can stop me only if I'm banned.

I think I found the best strategy ever. It can't be "lucky".

The baccarat variance is very limited.

It's like a dream coming true...
Nothing ventured, nothing gained...

Ricky

Quote from: cht on Mar 29, 10:46 PM 2018One important practical aspect to note for b&m casino that I highlighted earlier. The geographical layout of the rapid baccarat machines must be close enough each other to allow you to scan those set of machines together - continuous walk to and fro between those machines to scan for the pattern. There may be instances where 2 or more machines may show partial formation of the pattern at the same time.
Hi CHT,
At the B&M casino I play at there are all the Rapid games (Roulette,SicBo,Baccarat,Blackjack) all lined up in front of the bank of electronic tables as you see in the photo of the link I shared. I sit right in fron of the 4 Baccarat tables as the dealer deals them. On the very first game I actually had to abandon the betting sequence for a $10 loss because I underestimated the number of cards left. I lost the first hand and the cards ran out so I could not continue betting. So from now on I sit right in front in close view of the discard tray to ensure I only bet while there are enough cards to complete the 3 or 4 step progression.
My mission yesterday was to see if I could play this method with discipline and patience without making errors. My intention was not to come out with a large profit. It would be a bonus if I did. Fortunately, I came out $5 ahead won playing PB on Rapid SicBo so no loss to my bankroll. But the experience has confirmed to me that this pattern of BPP BPP BPP BPP appearing 4 times is extremely rare and I should have confidence risking large bets on this method. As pointed out in above post I will expect to lose in time  as any pattern can come out at any time but if you find something this rare you need to exploit it until it proves not to be as rare as you think. Whats the cost 30-30-90 = $150. Not life shattering. What's the reward if you are right 30x100=$3000. I think I will risk losing 150 to have potential of gaining 100 games in a row playing 5 games a day. I just got to ensure I cover the Tie as this is the only thing I am getting caught on. But since doing this I have been rewarded.

Cheers,
Ricky


Ricky

Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 30, 12:11 AM 2018I think I found the best strategy ever. It can't be "lucky".

The baccarat variance is very limited.

It's like a dream coming true...
Andre, I am not sure what it is about it but it is the only 3 sequence pattern repeat that I have seen that has this limitation. As shown above it can happen on a shoe but this seems to be 1 in 1000. Now having said that I am convinced that the automatic shuffling machines are not truly random and they do have some logical arrangement to encourage you to either bet with or against a pattern. So to create those obvious patterns would coerce gamblers to bet in a certain manner. Given the right conditions the Casino will profit from a misguided belief that a certain pattern will form or fail to form. Just like what we are doing with BPP and PBB. So if this pattern became one of those covered by the shuffling machine we will probably start seeing them appear more often. So I'm always on the look out for this change of fortunes.

Cheers,
Ricky

Ricky

Quote from: Ricky on Mar 29, 06:26 AM 2018
Hi Sentinel,
My latest testing in continuous play confirms Gizmo's finding in that you cannot get the same win rate playing game after game without avoiding the inevitable loss. So hit and run allows you to be more selective in playing PB.

BUT what I am noticing is that I rarely get two losses in a row playing continuously and occasionally I get a winning streak of 6 or more before the next loss.
So to improve my performance I have incorporated a Recovery mode. I am playing 0-1-2 now with a FOR/AGAINST based on the first spin result. This has improved performance in continuous mode and speeds recovery with lower risk.

So now I am adjusting my BOT to see if I can simulate hit and run while playing continuously. I am hoping this will resolve the last hurdle we have in playing PB continuously.

NEW RULES: (in beta)
1. Play continuously until you encounter a loss.

2. Record the winning streak before the loss.

3. Now play your two recovery rounds and then continue playing until you have played the same number of games as your last winning streak.

4. Now start VIRTUAL BETTING until you encounter another VIRTUAL LOSS.

5. Once a Virtual Loss is encountered resume betting up to the number of games of your last winning streak.

6. If you reach the number of winning games without a loss for 2 times after initial recording then continue betting until your next real loss. This will allow you to record a longer winning streak.

7. If at any time you experience a loss before reaching your current winning streak then use this reduced winning streak for future sessions and repeat the above process.

This NEW RULE should in theory improve the win rate of playing PB continuously and avoid running into real losses. It will hopefully simulate a hit and run scenario playing continuously in a BOT which has all the PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE in the world.

Feel free to use your models to test this theory out. I am in the process of updating my BOT to use the above rules and see if I can improve real play the PB method over 100 games playing continuously but selectively

cheers,
Ricky

I have just completed the above rules into my bot and have started playing continuously with a 100 euro stop loss and a 50 euro profit target. I will let it run overnight and see if it meets my target. My goal is to see if the overall performance is better than the continuous play where it bet on every opportunity.

Now it will dynamically record the longest sustainable winning streak before hitting a loss and then play to that limit before pausing the betting sessions. It will continue tracking and execute virtual bets until it gets a virtual loss. This will be a loss that is avoided. It will then resume tracking/betting for the current maximum winning streak. Check the rules above for more details.

I will share the results of before and after this change to check their relative performance. I am hoping this will simulate the hit and run style of play and cause it to find the winning games while avoiding the losing ones and provide similar 8-11/1 win/loss ratio as Sentinel and others have achieved (including myself playing hit/run over 10 days). If this same result is achieved playing 100 real continuous games then this grinder of a method will prove to work in a bot which has all the discipline and patience in the world.

Cheers,
Ricky

DoctorSudoku

Quote from: cht on Mar 29, 10:46 PM 2018


PBandre -
Bet against BPPBPPBP or PBBPBBPB with 4 step progression 1/1/3/6. Tie will be not be ignored. If tie appear during betting, stop bet loss accepted.
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Let me summarise the facts based on your post.

5 hrs of 4 rapid baccarat tables approx@1hr per shoe give 20 shoes.
You played 4 games. 3 games stop bet on the tie loss accepted, 1 game breakeven on the 2nd bet.
Giving you -3+0 = net loss of -3.
3 out of 4 games, the tie appear after the 1st bet.

This falls in according to the stats I presented earlier. The complete loss of all 4 steps comes in at 1-2 times every 100 shoes.

One important practical aspect to note for b&m casino that I highlighted earlier. The geographical layout of the rapid baccarat machines must be close enough each other to allow you to scan those set of machines together - continuous walk to and fro between those machines to scan for the pattern. There may be instances where 2 or more machines may show partial formation of the pattern at the same time.



I can understand encountering a tie during tracking and then ending the tracking then and there  -- and RESTARTING the tracking from scratch.

The part I have difficulty accepting is treating the tie as a loss during actual betting and moving to the next step of the progression (which might entail increasing the betting amount as well).
What is the fastest way of destroying your bankroll at the casino?

Play roulette with GLC's progressions.

Ricky

Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 30, 04:45 AM 2018The part I have difficulty accepting is treating the tie as a loss during actual betting and moving to the next step of the progression (which might entail increasing the betting amount as well).
I Hear you DR that's why I now cover it and account for it in my profit goal. Its like covering the Zero bet in Roulette. In SicBo we actually have the Treble bet so I am covering that to when I play it. When you have a good method you need to cover the house edge. Fortunately with Baccarat you have a bonus. You get you large E/C bet back as well so its a real bonus win with minimal risk.

Cheers,
Ricky

sentinel3

Quote from: Ricky on Mar 29, 06:26 AM 2018
Hi Sentinel,
My latest testing in continuous play confirms Gizmo's finding in that you cannot get the same win rate playing game after game without avoiding the inevitable loss. So hit and run allows you to be more selective in playing PB.

BUT what I am noticing is that I rarely get two losses in a row playing continuously and occasionally I get a winning streak of 6 or more before the next loss.
So to improve my performance I have incorporated a Recovery mode. I am playing 0-1-2 now with a FOR/AGAINST based on the first spin result. This has improved performance in continuous mode and speeds recovery with lower risk.

So now I am adjusting my BOT to see if I can simulate hit and run while playing continuously. I am hoping this will resolve the last hurdle we have in playing PB continuously.

NEW RULES: (in beta)
1. Play continuously until you encounter a loss.

2. Record the winning streak before the loss.

3. Now play your two recovery rounds and then continue playing until you have played the same number of games as your last winning streak.

4. Now start VIRTUAL BETTING until you encounter another VIRTUAL LOSS.

5. Once a Virtual Loss is encountered resume betting up to the number of games of your last winning streak.

6. If you reach the number of winning games without a loss for 2 times after initial recording then continue betting until your next real loss. This will allow you to record a longer winning streak.

7. If at any time you experience a loss before reaching your current winning streak then use this reduced winning streak for future sessions and repeat the above process.

This NEW RULE should in theory improve the win rate of playing PB continuously and avoid running into real losses. It will hopefully simulate a hit and run scenario playing continuously in a BOT which has all the PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE in the world.

Feel free to use your models to test this theory out. I am in the process of updating my BOT to use the above rules and see if I can improve real play the PB method over 100 games playing continuously but selectively

cheers,
Ricky
Yes Ricky THE BET AFTER A LOSS. Is one of the most CERTAIN things in all of gambling. My strikerate for that game after a loss over nearly 11 years is 31--1.

Thats why I always double up on it.

Lets say you had a really poor 100 game set. And lost 12 or 13 times out of a 100. You would be either just 4 units in profit. Or 4 units in the red.

BUT if you had doubled up on each of the games after a loss. The likelyhood is you would have won them all.

So in the instance of 12 losses. You would STILL have 16 units profit from a poor set. In the instance of 13 losses. You would have 9 units profit. From an even poorer set.

Using that recovery bet Ricky turns PB into a virtual grail. Its impossible to lose money longterm employing it.

On a really good set you would hit 94--6. That would equate to 52 units profit from the straight games. And an Additional 6 units profit from the recovery games. For a grand total of 58 units.

For a poor set you would lose 4 units on the straight games. Make 13 units from the recovery games. For a grand total of 9 units profit.

And in 11 years my worst result is 89--11. Again and again the vast majority of people wiil never ever see for themselves how solid PB is,  because they just cant stay with it long enough. Thats the price of coming to realize this game is absolutely beatable with a mechanical system.

And as it should be. Only a tiny percentage of people will come to this understanding.

Ricky

Quote from: cht on Mar 29, 10:46 PM 20185 hrs of 4 rapid baccarat tables approx@1hr per shoe give 20 shoes.
Hi CHT,
just to clarify a small point in case members misunderstood how I spent the 5 hours. I am sitting at an electronic table able to switch between all the Rapid games including Roulette  which have video cameras on each that appear on your screen. There is also a large permanent screen above the table games showing all the history at a glance. Also, the history clears when there is a change of shoe. A hand is dealt every 15-30 seconds depending on the dealer's distractions. So for 5 consecutive hours with small breaks in between I was monitoring all 4 baccarat tables and able to bet on any that presented the trigger. This is why I can claim this pattern PBB and BPP are so rare to repeat 4 times that I even had to resort to betting after the 6th hand making the pattern because the 8th hand was unlikely to form the trigger before either it failed to complete of a Tie resulted. I missed so many games because of the Tie. So by betting the Tie I capture those games as well. But that also increases the risk that the 8th pattern will form and you are then 2 steps into a progression when you could have saved those two bets. Patience

Cheers,
Ricky

cht

Quote from: Ricky on Mar 30, 05:38 AM 2018
Hi CHT,
just to clarify a small point in case members misunderstood how I spent the 5 hours. I am sitting at an electronic table able to switch between all the Rapid games including Roulette  which have video cameras on each that appear on your screen. There is also a large permanent screen above the table games showing all the history at a glance. Also, the history clears when there is a change of shoe. A hand is dealt every 15-30 seconds depending on the dealer's distractions. So for 5 consecutive hours with small breaks in between I was monitoring all 4 baccarat tables and able to bet on any that presented the trigger. This is why I can claim this pattern PBB and BPP are so rare to repeat 4 times that I even had to resort to betting after the 6th hand making the pattern because the 8th hand was unlikely to form the trigger before either it failed to complete of a Tie resulted. I missed so many games because of the Tie. So by betting the Tie I capture those games as well. But that also increases the risk that the 8th pattern will form and you are then 2 steps into a progression when you could have saved those two bets. Patience

Cheers,
Ricky
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Ricky

Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 30, 05:34 AM 2018BUT if you had doubled up on each of the games after a loss. The likelyhood is you would have won them all.
Hi Sentinel, As I have a limited bankroll and risk more playing continuously using the bot I am deploying the 0-1-2 method. I expect to lose more often but can also accept more loses as I am only risking 3 units rather than 7 units.

I am also covering the Zero, and as just happened while typing I got lucky and made and extra 2 units.

For recovery I am using 0-2-4 for two games after a loss to recover most of my loss. Due to the Zero coverage I have not increased my bet further to cover its loss but expect over time to recoup this whenever Zero hits.

In my simulations of the above method it did show that I was playing much less games than I was playing continuously so it more reflects what you are doing playing every two hours with breaks in between and then not playing again until the next day.

But you limit your play because you do not want to spend your whole life in front of the computer or at a casino. If you did do this then I am sure you would play hit and run more often than 10 games a day and still obtain similar results.  Is this the way you define hit and run?

Cheers,
Ricky

cht

Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 30, 04:45 AM 2018


I can understand encountering a tie during tracking and then ending the tracking then and there  -- and RESTARTING the tracking from scratch.

The part I have difficulty accepting is treating the tie as a loss during actual betting and moving to the next step of the progression (which might entail increasing the betting amount as well).
Two options to deal with tie during actual betting -
1. Ignore tie, or
2. Place a small insurance bet on tie.

Ricky

Quote from: cht on Mar 30, 05:56 AM 2018Place a small insurance bet on tie.
That's what I do now. My progression is settle at 20 - 25,5(Tie) - 80,10(Tie)
Unless I encounter the 4 repeated patterns and lose the 3rd bet I will ALWAYS come out ahead especially if the Tie Hits
Step 1 Bet 20 Win 20
Step 2 Bet 20 + 25+5 Win 5. If Tie hits Win 8x5 - 20 = 40 - 20  = 20
Step 3 Bet 20 + 30 + 80 + 10 = 140 Win 80 - 60 = 20. If Tie hits Win 80-20-30=30

Cheers
Ricky
Cheers,

Andre Chass

Why do not ignore the Tie:

I just saw yesterday night:

BPP BPP BPP T BPP BPP

Tie breaks the pattern most of the time.

I've seen it happen other times.

You can cover placing bet on Tie and leave the game when the Tie appears.

Well, I won't discuss it anymore.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained...

ozon

Today I was inspired by the topic of DR Talos on the website of KAV
Andre, maybe you'll be interested, maybe we'll create a company.
We will collect investors and we will play their money for the shares.
We will release 1,000,000 shares from 1 dollar each.
Everybody will be able to buy as much as you want.
Not everyone has time to play, we have a lot of time to play.
We have access to almost all online casinos on the world
And the most important thing iswe know  how to multiply your money, thanks to Andre strategy.
We will not hide anything, lead a baiting game.
We will present what strategy we will play.
With a very secure management money  method.
We will share a 50/50 profit.
Think about this proposal is very serious.
We have nothing to lose and everything to gain.


Nothing will be hidden in creating a company.
You ask, you could do it by PM massages
But I do not want to hide anything, If Andre agrees, it will be part of the story
We will share 50/50 with investors
I also like 50/50 with Andre, not to hide for me and Andre will be a 25% profit for  each.

Roulettebeater

Quote from: ozon on Mar 30, 05:18 PM 2018
Today I was inspired by the topic of DR Talos on the website of KAV
Andre, maybe you'll be interested, maybe we'll create a company.
We will collect investors and we will play their money for the shares.
We will release 1,000,000 shares from 1 dollar each.
Everybody will be able to buy as much as you want.
Not everyone has time to play, we have a lot of time to play.
We have access to almost all online casinos on the world
And the most important thing iswe know  how to multiply your money, thanks to Andre strategy.
We will not hide anything, lead a baiting game.
We will present what strategy we will play.
With a very secure management money  method.
We will share a 50/50 profit.
Think about this proposal is very serious.
We have nothing to lose and everything to gain.


Nothing will be hidden in creating a company.
You ask, you could do it by PM massages
But I do not want to hide anything, If Andre agrees, it will be part of the story
We will share 50/50 with investors
I also like 50/50 with Andre, not to hide for me and Andre will be a 25% profit for  each.




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