*PATTERN BREAKER*

[Ricky]

I just had my first "true" loss.

BPP BPP BPP BPP P

Progression 50 50 150 300
Total loss $550

Well, I already hoped it would happen anytime. But did it have to be on Saturday?       Lol

But that's ok...

Ouch. Thanks for sharing Andre. Wish me luck for tomorrow I do not encounter the same fate. I have to say though I am still confident and will be prepared for this situation.

[Ricky]

Just out of curiosity, I am asking this:

how frequently do you see BPP BPP BPP?

Because if a 3-peat occurs frequently enough, then you can wait for one and then go in and bet against the 4-peat from happening with only

a 1 1 3 progression.

I am NOT very keen on 4-step negative progressions. By now, you probably know that!      

Hi DR,
you are thinking exactly like me. Check my previous post where I will be going to B&M Casino tomorrow and will start playing big. If I do encounter a loss with BPP BPP BP[P BP] my next bet will wait for the 3 peat  BPP BPP BPP and then start betting a 2 step. I will take the bet I would have made on the virtual loss  and add it to my 1st Step. eg
Normally I would wait for BPP BPP BP as the trigger and then bet 100/125,25/400,50 AGAINST PBP completing the 3rd repeat and starting the 4th repeat

But in recovery mode I would bet the same amount but wait for the 3rd repeat to complete after the 9th hand rather than the 8th hand. So the trigger becomes BPP BPP BPP
Then I will only bet a 2 step but the first step will be (100+125),25 = 225,25. Then the 2nd Step will be the same as my normal 3rd step of 400,50

With this recovery I am hoping not to get a back to back loss. But I would have to be extremely unfortunate for this to happen considering I am struggling anywhere to find these patterns. If I do encounter this then I may need to be prepared like Andre and go for the next step but I do not want to think about it. Given how long it has been since Andre has been playing to find a real loss my experience is still comparing well to Andre's.

Cheers,
Ricky 

[DoctorSudoku]

Hi Ricky

Heres the deal, DONT THINK you MUST! play 5 or 10 games or whatever a day.

There are days i only play ONE GAME. And others I play TEN.

It all depends on what im doing. Where I am. My first game of the day. ALWAYS played between 3--6AM. Is my only COMPULSORY GAME. After that its up to me.

As ive said many times before the FIRST GAME has no equal. A person with a 10k plus bankroll could make a living just playing that ONE GAME A DAY. Its that good.

Ive had years where is only lost 15 to 20 times out of 365 DAYS. You have to take those kind of stats SERIOUSLY.

It goes back to what ive been saying since I landed on this forum 7 years ago. IF YOU CAN WAIT, YOU CAN WIN.

🛑PATIENCE🛑

That tenet of absolute success is what so many people lack. Casinos are BUILT on people who have no patience. So in short Ricky THE LESS YOU PLAY with PB the MORE YOU WIN.

Thats why your goal must be to raise the UNIT VALUE of your bet. So you reach a point you only need TWO GAMES MAX a day to sustain a living.

Thats where you want to be. VARIANCE HOUSE edge only bite people who stay in the cycle TOO LONG.

That why 100k plus simulation tests of a systems longterm value are POINTLESS.

They arent taking into account. That there are occasions i only play ONE GAME a day. I am playing on different wheels. HIT AND RUN in its ultimate incarnation.

PURE RANDOM INFREQUENT ENTRY INTO VARIANCES CYCLE.

JL,
My thinking on this issue is that if anyone is playing PB on a daily basis, then he/she should play it at the most 2 games a day.

In my experience, PB and related rare pattern-based games only work (or seem to work) when played on a hit-and-run basis and also only when played sparingly.

[DoctorSudoku]

Hi DR,
you are thinking exactly like me. Check my previous post where I will be going to B&M Casino tomorrow and will start playing big. If I do encounter a loss with BPP BPP BP[P BP] my next bet will wait for the 3 peat  BPP BPP BPP and then start betting a 2 step. I will take the bet I would have made on the virtual loss  and add it to my 1st Step. eg
Normally I would wait for BPP BPP BP as the trigger and then bet 100/125,25/400,50 AGAINST PBP completing the 3rd repeat and starting the 4th repeat

But in recovery mode I would bet the same amount but wait for the 3rd repeat to complete after the 9th hand rather than the 8th hand. So the trigger becomes BPP BPP BPP
Then I will only bet a 2 step but the first step will be (100+125),25 = 225,25. Then the 2nd Step will be the same as my normal 3rd step of 400,50

With this recovery I am hoping not to get a back to back loss. But I would have to be extremely unfortunate for this to happen considering I am struggling anywhere to find these patterns. If I do encounter this then I may need to be prepared like Andre and go for the next step but I do not want to think about it. Given how long it has been since Andre has been playing to find a real loss my experience is still comparing well to Andre's.

Cheers,
Ricky

Ricky,
How frequently or infrequently are you coming across a 3-peat?

Most likely it will be quite infrequently, but if you are playing in a location where you can track multiple tables simultaneously, then maybe the long wait is tolerable.

Waiting for a 3-peat is attractive to me because then you can bet against the 4-peat using a 1 1 3 negative progression (it is better than the 1 1 3 6 progression, in my book).

Two alternate progressions that may be worth a look for this modified version of PB are the 1 2 2 and the 1 2 3 progressions -- both of them exploit the fact that over 80% of the wins seem to come in the first two steps (as per my experience playing the original PB method).

[Ricky]

JL,
My thinking on this issue is that if anyone is playing PB on a daily basis, then he/she should play it at the most 2 games a day.

In my experience, PB and related rare pattern-based games only work (or seem to work) when played on a hit-and-run basis and also only when played sparingly.

Hi DR,
well that's what I intend to find out. You are coming from the mindset of someone playing this manually and spending your time doing this. MY bot was doing this while I was sleeping. And just to give you an idea of the POWER if this works. When I was posting last night it encountered 3 losses in a row for  loss of 60 euro before it had a chance to go into tracking only mode and I got nervous that you would prove to be right. So I went to bed determined to let it play its DISCIPLINED rules. If it continued losing then it would stop at 100 euro loss for the session. But to my delight this morning it won the next 6 games and went into tracking only mode during this time until it encountered another virtual loss. So at least in this short sample it has proven to be successful in avoiding what would have been a 4th loss. Also to my delight one of the wins was Zero for a total gain of 40 euro. So it is now only 11 euro from its previous high. Since I started testing the bot in this way it has made 47 euro profit.

Cheers,
Ricky

[Ricky]

Ricky,
How frequently or infrequently are you coming across a 3-peat?

Most likely it will be quite infrequently, but if you are playing in a location where you can track multiple tables simultaneously, then maybe the long wait is tolerable.

Waiting for a 3-peat is attractive to me because then you can bet against the 4-peat using a 1 1 3 negative progression (it is better than the 1 1 3 6 progression, in my book).

Two alternate progressions that may be worth a look are the 1 2 2 and the 1 2 3 progressions -- both of them exploit the fact that over 80% of the wins seem to come in the first two steps (as per my experience playing the original PB method).

Hi DR,
the 3 repeat in my experience has been very rare. As I mentioned, tracking 4 tabled CONTINUOUSLY for 2 hours last night I won each trigger in the 1st step. So each occasion it only managed a 2 2/3 repeat losing on the completion of the 3rd repeat. So to wait for this pattern to complete as a trigger is going to be a real grind and only allow you to make possibly 1 bet for the whole night. So as per hit and run method the only way to make this worthwhile is to go for the big bet to make one big win and get out. Many with little or no patience will find it hard after travelling to the casino to "Gamble" to only place one solitary bet. I was observing people around me and their behaviour in betting. One old man had what he thought was a good system all written down and looking for his triggers playing Baccarat. He was inserting $50 note continuously placing multiple bets every couple of hands what looked to be a martingale method. He left a few hundred dollars lighter.

I think I am overcoming this urge and have learnt to be a bit more disciplined in my play. To only put on 5 bets all night (probably 2 bets too many) and leave with $70 profit was a great feeling of success not only for the profit but for the DISCIPLINE in sticking with the system and not chopping and changing to try and put on a bet. I even did not use the original PB method on Roulette or SicBo and my mission was to play Baccarat for this one method BPP 4 repeater.

Cheers,
Ricky

[Ricky]

Ouch. Thanks for sharing Andre. Wish me luck for tomorrow I do not encounter the same fate. I have to say though I am still confident and will be prepared for this situation.

Hi Andre,
out of curiousity as I don't play on William Hill, are the cards hand shuffled or machine shuffled? I am convinced and very wary of my B&M casino that the machine shuffle for Baccarat shuffles them in a specific order to the Casino's advantage. At the online Casino I play at it is all hand shuffled which is the fairest way to play know there is no machine able to preorder the cards looking for betting patterns of players.

Cheers,
Ricky

[cht]

I just had my first "true" loss.

BPP BPP BPP BPP P

Progression 50 50 150 300
Total loss $550

Well, I already hoped it would happen anytime. But did it have to be on Saturday?       Lol

But that's ok...

Sorry to hear that.

The next time a loss appear, can you pls take a screenshot or record down 15 hands before the start of the pattern. I'd like to study the loss formation. TQ.

[Ricky]

Waiting for a 3-peat is attractive to me because then you can bet against the 4-peat using a 1 1 3 negative progression (it is better than the 1 1 3 6 progression, in my book).

Two alternate progressions that may be worth a look for this modified version of PB are the 1 2 2 and the 1 2 3 progressions -- both of them exploit the fact that over 80% of the wins seem to come in the first two steps (as per my experience playing the original PB method).

Hi DR,
Just to respond to your suggested progressions, as you say, 80% of times you will win on 1st or 2nd step, I would definitely not do 1-1-3  due to the fact if you do win on 2nd bet you have spent all that time waiting for the best opportunity for no return. You need to have confidence that this pattern cannot go on forever. If you are not prepared to go 4 steps or even 5 steps at the bet level you have chosen with the knowledge you have gained from experience and the bankroll and table limits to support those bets then you should not be betting at that level but bet at a level you are more comfortable risking. I know it defies all advise about not using martingale to progress your bets but when you encounter such a rare event the odds have to be in your favor that you are right that the progression will not continue. Even though a 4-peat is rare but possible no-one has seen a 5-peat. So unlike roulette where a streak of reds or blacks can go on for 25-31 times and have endless randomness, Baccarat is very limited in its ability to produce those freak complex streaks. Yes it does do the same for Player and/or Banker with as many as 12 or 15 being seen occasionally. But to switch from player to banker in such a rigid pattern would require the deck of cards to be so precisely shuffled. That is why I am weary of shuffling machines because if it determined players were betting in this way making big profits then it would not take much to create the 5th pattern. But to hand shuffle would be a very rare event.

Its all about variance being much less with cards than with a spinning wheel or rolling the dice.

Cheers,
Ricky

[Ricky]

Hi Andre,
out of curiousity as I don't play on William Hill, are the cards hand shuffled or machine shuffled? I am convinced and very wary of my B&M casino that the machine shuffle for Baccarat shuffles them in a specific order to the Casino's advantage. At the online Casino I play at it is all hand shuffled which is the fairest way to play know there is no machine able to preorder the cards looking for betting patterns of players.

Cheers,
Ricky

Hi Andre,
It seems you have jinxed me. While on my Online Casino I came across the trigger and started betting with confidence that I would win yet another game but here it is my first loss. I did not go to the 4th Step which would have won. For the pattern still did fail to make the 4th repeat. In my recovery I will wait for 9 patterns before betting a 2 stepper.

Cheers,
Ricky

[Ricky]

Hi Andre,
It seems you have jinxed me. While on my Online Casino I came across the trigger and started betting with confidence that I would win yet another game but here it is my first loss. I did not go to the 4th Step which would have won. For the pattern still did fail to make the 4th repeat. In my recovery I will wait for 9 patterns before betting a 2 stepper.

Cheers,
Ricky

Another Close call. Since the last loss I recovered one game betting after 8th pattern. Did not wait to the 9th and won on 1st step and then just won on a tie on the 3rd step with this. I was prepared to go for broke and bet a 4th step but lucky I covered the Tie for a bonus win. Andre let me know if you are getting more close calls because it reminds us to tread with caution.

[Gzgzbee]

Sentenil3

Can I just double check how you play!

Start betting once 7 patterns come out...

Do you do this in groups of 3 like below? Do your record 1-3 spins as a pattern, then 4-6 spin, 7-9, 10-12...and so on until you have 7 hit patterns with one pattern unhit left.

Or do you track patterns like 1-3 spin, 2-4 spin, 3-6spin, so looking at the last 3 numbers to form a pattern vs looking in blocks of 3?

Also if that progression just as before 1,2,4 = 7 units...no doubling up progression if you hit a loser?

You say in 100 day you win approx 92 and lose 8.

Read a lot of pages from the start a few months back just looking If you play the same.

Thanks

Thanks you

[Winner]

Sentenil3

Can I just double check how you play!

Start betting once 7 patterns come out...

Do you do this in groups of 3 like below? Do your record 1-3 spins as a pattern, then 4-6 spin, 7-9, 10-12...and so on until you have 7 hit patterns with one pattern unhit left.

Or do you track patterns like 1-3 spin, 2-4 spin, 3-6spin, so looking at the last 3 numbers to form a pattern vs looking in blocks of 3?

Also if that progression just as before 1,2,4 = 7 units...no doubling up progression if you hit a loser?

You say in 100 day you win approx 92 and lose 8.

Read a lot of pages from the start a few months back just looking If you play the same.

Thanks

Thanks you

Or Do you track patterns 1-3  spin 2-4 spin 3-6 so looking  at last 3  numbers to form patterns . Vs looking for blocks of 3 .
Well that's more interesting than the original.

[Winner]

It will still lose but I think if you go for the comps in Vegas you will be a head .
Comps free rooms flat bet  that's the only way to beat casinos.

[DoctorSudoku]

Sentenil3

Can I just double check how you play!

Start betting once 7 patterns come out...

Do you do this in groups of 3 like below? Do your record 1-3 spins as a pattern, then 4-6 spin, 7-9, 10-12...and so on until you have 7 hit patterns with one pattern unhit left.

Or do you track patterns like 1-3 spin, 2-4 spin, 3-6spin, so looking at the last 3 numbers to form a pattern vs looking in blocks of 3?

Also if that progression just as before 1,2,4 = 7 units...no doubling up progression if you hit a loser?

You say in 100 day you win approx 92 and lose 8.

Read a lot of pages from the start a few months back just looking If you play the same.

Thanks

Thanks you

Actually, I have tried in the past of tracking the patterns in the alternate way that you suggested.

The advantage is that the tracking and waiting time for the 7th pattern is substantially shortened.

But, in my limited testing, I did get choppy results. By that I mean I got some losses early on (mixed in with wins, of course).

So I did not persist with it.

Maybe I gave up on it too easily.

But, for sure, this alternate way of tracking does shorten the tracking and waiting time.