*PATTERN BREAKER*

[The General]

Guys,

I get it.  You like the pattern breaker.  Perhaps it's fun.  But try and formulate a physical reason as to why it should work.

What do you believe is the reason that it should work?

[Ricky]

Or feel free to provide your own spins or baccarat hands and I'll run the simulation again

I will provide the real life casino spins generated over the last 4 days with my results. Feel free to take these and run them through your simulation. We can then compare results.

Stay tuned

Cheers,
Ricky

[Ricky]

Guys,

I get it.  You like the pattern breaker.  Perhaps it's fun.  But try and formulate a physical reason as to why it should work.

What do you believe is the reason that it should work?

Hi General, is that physical enough? When I get to my first $1,000 in a few weeks I'll post another. When i get to $100K I'll probably have to show you a few suitcases. Believe it or not but this was generated from playing PB on Roulette, Baccarat and SicBo

As mentioned by others it works because it is played sparingly. Any system played sparingly and limiting exposure is going to end up winning more than it loses. If you think you have to play more to make more then you also know that you risk more

Simple math 1,000,000 - 0 = 1 MILLION PROFIT
                       1,000,000 - 2,000,000 - 1 MILLION LOSS
The trick is finding a way to make 1 MILLION win by avoiding the 2 MILLION loss
By exposing yourself too much to the risk of losing impacts the other times you won.

Cheers,
Ricky

[Ricky]

I am convinced that the principal reasons I am having a fair degree of success with PB and several other rare pattern-based games are because I play them on a hit-and-run basis -- and I play them sparingly.

Hi DR,
when you are playing this game manually your assumptions about why you are winning are valid, but just as automation has improved industrial society, I believe I can take a good Idea that you have playing manually and I can automate it to show it can work playing in a bot. Even if that bot has to sit there doing nothing for 21 hours only tracking for the right conditions I think it can be done. And the ultimate scenario is to identify that perfect moment and place those 3 big bets per day and avoid all the losing ones. This will be my next 100 game test. But it will probably be played over a 7 day period switching the bot on daily until it has made its profit.
The beauty is you can go off and do your shopping while its working for you. I have to admit it did feel good knowing I was running a gambling system while I was off hiking the other day. And to come home to find out it didn't go bust was even better.
Cheers

[cht]

Hi General, is that physical enough? When I get to my first $1,000 in a few weeks I'll post another. When i get to $100K I'll probably have to show you a few suitcases. Believe it or not but this was generated from playing PB on Roulette, Baccarat and SicBo

As mentioned by others it works because it is played sparingly. Any system played sparingly and limiting exposure is going to end up winning more than it loses. If you think you have to play more to make more then you also know that you risk more

Simple math 1,000,000 - 0 = 1 MILLION PROFIT
                       1,000,000 - 2,000,000 - 1 MILLION LOSS
The trick is finding a way to make 1 MILLION win by avoiding the 2 MILLION loss
By exposing yourself too much to the risk of losing impacts the other times you won.

Cheers,
Ricky

Hi ricky,

I don't like to make claims on forum since I can't prove it. I make exception this time.

I have played regularly(4-5days a week)  my PBmod variant for baccarat I posted on this thread earlier for more than 3months now. I have grown to current bet size $300/$300. Physically demanding with hard work scanning the casino floor. Just sharing to encourage you guys.

As for The general,  real,  dsaa, snowman, he lives on forums to recruit members. Not worth your time.

[Joe]

As mentioned by others it works because it is played sparingly. Any system played sparingly and limiting exposure is going to end up winning more than it loses.

Ricky, think about what you're saying here. If this was true, then you could save a lot of time and boredom by just betting on red and not waiting for the 7 patterns to show. If played "sparingly" you would win more than you lose according to your logic. JL has said he's played 14,000 games; is that playing "sparingly"? And if you create a bot to play PB, is that playing "sparingly" if you have it running 24/7?

[Joe]

Tell us then your system? 

I don't want to hijack the thread but like I said, I don't play one system exclusively. And I never bet the outside, only between 4 and 7 numbers. I don't mind sharing but this isn't the thread for it.

[Ricky]

For your information, I play roulette regularly and am pretty successful, but experience has taught me that you can't win consistently by exclusively using a simple minded system like PB (or in fact, ANY system exclusively). But I am certainly not a "naysayer" who makes blanket statements like "no system can win".

Hi Atlantis,
attached is the results so far. Damn impressive.

STEP 1    23 WINS
STEP 2    5 WINS
STEP 3    7 WINS 1 LOSS
STEP 4    1 WIN

SO
IF YOU FLAT BET with 1 STEP you will get 23 WINS 13 LOSSES of 1 UNIT, SO +10 UNITS
IF YOU USE 1-2  BET with 2 STEPS you will get 28 WINS 9 LOSSES of 27 UNITS, SO +1 UNITS
IF YOU USE 1-2-4 BET with 3 STEPS you will get 34 WIN 2 LOSSES of 14 UNITS, SO +20 UNITS
IF YOU USE 1-2-4-8 with 4 STEPS you will get 36 WINS 0 LOSSES, SO +36 UNITS

As it shows in the short term the system is so good you could deploy a 4 STEP progression and risk big money to make phenominal profit. But in the long term I am sure you will encounter many losses. But not too many.
SO amazingly enough in this small sample we have found a RARE FLAT Betting system that will generate a profit. But I think more extensive sampling is required to come to these sorts of clonclusions. But as a FLAT BETTING system I would be prepared to make $1,000 bets with the poterntial to make $10,000 every 36 games played. I would also probably extend the trigger to 3 full repeats and possibly even 3 1/3 repeats.


Please someone write a BOT for Baccarat. I will pay handsomely 

Cheers,

[atlantis]

Hi Ricky,

Erm.. actually that quote you attributed to me in the last post is not MINE. I never said that!?

Anyhow from what you wrote - if playing only a 3 step cyclic (starting with 1-1-2) according to your results it seems you get:

34 games without loss. (meaning a profit of +1... OR +0;level;  for each one of those games)
and 2 losses of either -4 or -5 = -8 or -9 depending if in cycle 1 (1-1-2) or cycle 2 (1-2-2) at the time...

So it depends WHEN the 3-step bets lost and how long it took to recover to be level in the next cycle to able able to work it out to the exact profit unit total. I imagine it WILL be in profit. To see how much I need to see the exact win/loss registry for the full 36 games played eg:

WWWLWWW.....etc......

Are you able to supply that info so I can deduce an accurate result?

Cheers,
A.

[Ricky]

Ricky, think about what you're saying here. If this was true, then you could save a lot of time and boredom by just betting on red and not waiting for the 7 patterns to show. If played "sparingly" you would win more than you lose according to your logic. JL has said he's played 14,000 games; is that playing "sparingly"? And if you create a bot to play PB, is that playing "sparingly" if you have it running 24/7?

Hi Coderjoe, I respect your feedback. I'll address each point you make

If this was true, then you could save a lot of time and boredom by just betting on red and not waiting for the 7 patterns to show.

You could do that but then you are gambling that the side you chose was lucky for that exact spin you chose to bet. What if you saw a streak of 15 blacks when you were about to make that bet on red. Would you still do it? The casino wants you to play this way because they know in the long run your gambling habits will create an undisciplined play and you will run into long losing streaks even playing sparingly with no STRATEGY.
All PB is is a strategy that challenges the Casino to deliver something consistently over 100 game sets - spin the 8th pattern immediately after the completion of the 7th pattern. You don't have to believe Sentinel/JL but he has observed over 11 years of playing PB that the random wheel has difficulty CONSISTENTLY delivering this. So he is exploiting this finding by formulating other DISCIPLINED rules around this method.

If played "sparingly" you would win more than you lose according to your logic
My understanding is that by doing this the player minimises being struck with a series of losses that may come up at anytime. I described earlier that you can use the analogy of being in a storm and there is lightning. Stay out too long and you increase your chance of being hit. I believe that concept to a degree but that is because you have admitted that the method you have adopted is NOT the HOLY GRAIL that everyone so eagerly seeks. So you take precautions. HIT and RUN is one such precaution.

JL has said he's played 14,000 games; is that playing "sparingly"?.
Over 11 years that very sparingly. When you do this for a living and rely on it for your bread and butter you will play that many games in a lifetime. 10x7= 70 games a day or 3640 games per year. So now he says he plays less that 10, sometimes only 1 game. So on average 14K games is 3.4 games per day.

And if you create a bot to play PB, is that playing "sparingly" if you have it running 24/7?
I am here to determine what constitutes HIT and RUN as I do not believe if you can automate a system that people play manually that you have to play as rarely as you do when done manually for the very reasons you yourself mention, a BOT does not sleep, have toilet breaks, bets bored, tired, makes mistakes, plays undisciplined.
All these factors play against a player playing continuously. We all get tired, get distracted by the attractive dealers, make mistakes. Thats what causes us to lose. I personally start getting emotionally impacted by playing continuously. I start chasing losses and get myself into a hole very quickly. I have to admit while testing PB for 3 straight days playing manually, I started straying away from the system and exploring my own ideas. 10 minutes later I lost 300 euro. I am still recovering 2 months later. Had to put more funds in to continue testing. This is why you play sparingly to avoid those brain fades. But with a BOT I do not believe you need to play sparingly. I believe you need to play SMART. And that's what I am working out what is the SMARTEST way to play using a BOT.

I hope these responses to your questions make sense and in no way disrespect your arguments that you believe what we are doing here is all bolony and a waste of time

PS 2 games to go in the BOT and now close to break even (-3 euro) after 4 straight days playing 100 games. I think we can work on this result and improve on it over time.

Cheers,
Ricky

[atlantis]

To see how much I need to see the exact win/loss registry for the full 36 games played eg:
WWWLWWW.....etc......

Actually, that's not quite right, Ricky I need to see it in the following format (3 bets):

W1st-W2nd-W1st-L-W1st-W1st-W3rd-W2nd-W1st-L-W1st .....etc......

Regards,
A.

[Ricky]

Actually, that's not quite right, Ricky I need to see it in the following format (3 bets):

W1st-W2nd-W1st-L-W1st-W1st-W3rd-W2nd-W1st-L-W1st .....etc......

Regards,
A.

Hi Atlantis did you check the attachment. It shows the Step I won the bets I made on each step and the total profit for each game and total games.  This is the wins and losses I had in order. Its quite easy really WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[Joe]

I am here to determine what constitutes HIT and RUN as I do not believe if you can automate a system that people play manually that you have to play as rarely as you do when done manually for the very reasons you yourself mention, a BOT does not sleep, have toilet breaks, bets bored, tired, makes mistakes, plays undisciplined.

Well I'm glad you agree with me that simulations (or bots, which are the same thing) are superior to manual play in this respect. I thought you were saying that there is some statistical reason for hit & run being a better way to play, which would be true only if you knew in advance when would be a good time to "hit" and a good time to "run", which of course you don't ;-).

It seems that JL doesn't agree with you though. He can't explain the very large discrepancy between the results of my simulation and his results, even though the simulation followed the rules of the system to the letter. He just says hit & run can't be simulated. Maybe he just doesn't understand how programming works, but any decisions you make at the table can be simulated as long as you have all the rules and specify actions to take following all eventualities. There are other programmers here and they will agree with me.

I'm not here to try to convince anyone not to play PB or any other system, but what I object to is people dismissing computer simulations as being somehow irrelevant, or saying that they are worthless because nobody plays a million spins. That is missing the point entirely. And besides, a million spins played by one person is no different than 1000 spins played by 1000 people, or 100 spins played by 10,000 people. In either case if you pool the results together you end up with a million spins.

[Ricky]

Erm.. actually that quote you attributed to me in the last post is not MINE. I never said that!?

Hi Atlantas, apologies I have no idea how that happened. Some problem with the forum. I meant to respond to your post which seems to have linked correctly except for the quote

[atlantis]

Thanks Ricky - Didn't spot that

So it's like this then using the 3 step cyclic prog...

Cycle 1-1-2
==========    +0
+1
+0
+1
+1
+1
+1
+0
+1
+1
+1
+0
+1
+1
+1
+0
+0
+1
+1
+1
+1
+0
+1
+0
+1
+0
+1
+0
+1
+0
+0
+1
+1                      +21
-4                      +17    up to cycle 1-2-2
+1
+1
+1                      +20   still in cycle 1-2-2

= +20u profit
===========