*PATTERN BREAKER*

[Andre Chass]

Ok,
PB Andre version needs some serious discussion to turn it into the HOLY GRAIL system that we have been looking for. I just came across a 4-peat but thankfully missed placing a bet (thanks coderjoe, you saved me from another 140 euro loss by addressing your posts)


Now this pattern formed 4 repeat but failed on the 5th attempt. So we need to formulate a plan to avoid getting stung by a marty progression on the 4th pattern.

Now I am thinking along the lines of FLAT BETTING for 1 step AFTER the 3rd pattern is formed. ie the 9th hand of the pattern BPP BPP BPP  start betting P. If we lose then decide do I call it a loss and wait for the next trigger or do I continue the progression?

My recent analysis shows in the context of 100 games we will come out ahead stopping here and taking the small loss requiring just one game to recover.

Now what we can do is WAIT for the result of the next hands to see if the 4th repeat does form. As in the above, if it does, I would make my 2nd bet against it forming a 5th time. With this example we would have won. So the progression would be 1-2 but only bet on hand 1 of the 4th repeat and hand 1 of the 5th repeat if the 4th completed.

Let me know your thoughts on the merits of this approach.

Cheers,
Ricky

Ricky,

I like to say the truth...
I don't know what the hell is going on.
I felt like I was in paradise. Now I feel like I'm walking to hell.

Yesterday I had a great defeat ... again. As soon as I entered the casino I saw the pattern BPP already formed by 4 times in a row and. I thought: It's a great opportunity to make a big profit.

So I used the progression 200, 400, 600 and I had loss. I did not believe what I was seeing ... The pattern was formed more than 5 times: BPP BPP BPP BPP BPP BPB.

Besides the money I also lost my laptop because I threw it on the wall. I collapsed so nervous that I was. Sorry but I lost confidence in the strategy.
I feel depressed with no hope. A ruined dream ...
If you have any suggestions tell me. Help me...

I failed! My enemies... enjoy my failure.

[6th-sense]

That Andre was honest ..you just gained a lot of respect from me..hope your ok...and I bet anyone would have took the opportunity too bet and not owned up to being hit hard

[atlantis]

PB Andre is strong - maybe stronger than PB Sentinel. The results I showed were from Ricky's PDF result file for 36 games on baccarat using the 3-step cyclic progression that starts with 1-1-2.

Andre - you saw BPP BPP BPP BPP - a four time repeat. Looking at those results it is apparent that you already missed a LOSER. You assumed it would change, went in big and were very unlucky to have a disaster.

What can be learned? Maybe there needs to be another rule here in such a case? Noticing such an instance and realising that a loss has been avoided one perhaps SHOULD wait for the losing sequence to run its course and naturally end FIRST before awaiting a fresh trigger and resuming with a higher 3-step cycle of bets?
I'm sorry to hear the news that it backfired on you - but this all I can think of at present.

A.

[bikemotorman]

Andre its ok $hit happens.

I hope you are kidding???

We need to keep it in the Matrix.

PPP
BBB
PBP

OR VERTICAL BUT IN THE THREE MATRIX.

P
P
P

B
B
B

P
B
P

Look at my sheet from this morning here you go.

The last pattern that had not come up was PBP so I played BPB and won on the first try.

Stuart

[Roulettebeater]

Ricky,

I like to say the truth...
I don't know what the hell is going on.
I felt like I was in paradise. Now I feel like I'm walking to hell.

Yesterday I had a great defeat ... again. As soon as I entered the casino I saw the pattern BPP already formed by 4 times in a row and. I thought: It's a great opportunity to make a big profit.

So I used the progression 200, 400, 600 and I had loss. I did not believe what I was seeing ... The pattern was formed more than 5 times: BPP BPP BPP BPP BPP BPB.

Besides the money I also lost my laptop because I threw it on the wall. I collapsed so nervous that I was. Sorry but I lost confidence in the strategy.
I feel depressed with no hope. A ruined dream ...
If you have any suggestions tell me. Help me...

I failed! My enemies... enjoy my failure.

Hi Andre,

i am really sorry for your loss, but remember what i told you before.

THIS SYSTEM IS A LOSER!

WHY?

Because in one loss you are going to vomit all the money you won + your investment and give it back to the house.

I have invested a lot of money in my early days using EC Permutations and lost big!

I suggest that you return to roulette and focus on physics, you have said that you got a small computer..Nuts are there..

[Winner]

Hi Andre,

i am really sorry for your loss, but remember what i told you before.

THIS SYSTEM IS A LOSER!

WHY?

Because in one loss you are going to vomit all the money you won + your investment and give it back to the house.

I have invested a lot of money in my early days using EC Permutations and lost big!

I suggest that you return to roulette and focus on physics, you have said that you got a small computer..Nuts are there..

Physics  just make sure the ear piece does not get stuck in your ear I freaked out the first time that happen

[bikemotorman]

This isn't really relevant to the most important stat which is the win rate. Whether people stop at different times or use different progressions, win goals etc won't change the win rate which is what denotes the edge and what JL has consistently claimed is way above 7:1 (the probability expectation).

Long-term in a game such as Baccarat the chance to win or lose is pretty much 50/50 I have had success with PB and it does well but I still don't know the long-term iron clad win rate.

Stuart

[Ricky]

Ricky,

I like to say the truth...
I don't know what the hell is going on.
I felt like I was in paradise. Now I feel like I'm walking to hell.

Yesterday I had a great defeat ... again. As soon as I entered the casino I saw the pattern BPP already formed by 4 times in a row and. I thought: It's a great opportunity to make a big profit.

So I used the progression 200, 400, 600 and I had loss. I did not believe what I was seeing ... The pattern was formed more than 5 times: BPP BPP BPP BPP BPP BPB.

Besides the money I also lost my laptop because I threw it on the wall. I collapsed so nervous that I was. Sorry but I lost confidence in the strategy.
I feel depressed with no hope. A ruined dream ...
If you have any suggestions tell me. Help me...

I failed! My enemies... enjoy my failure.

Hi Andre,
I am sorry to hear you have had a 2nd loss in 1 week. I hope you did not actually throw your laptop. But from the tone of the post I fear you actually did.

So two losses and 100 wins. This still classifies as the HOLY GRAIL and as I mentioned we need to ditch the MARTY and FLAT BET or at least do a 1-2 if the 5th repeat starts. In your example you would only be down 2 units. But I am sure you did not see a 6-peat so as I said we could stop at FLAT betting on the 4th or make one bet at the start of each "peat" until it ends. My preference is just to stop at FLAT BETTING

What we could also do is use Positive Progression. So after a win or 2 wins next trigger we could increase our bet by half and risk some of our profit. If we lose we go back down to original base bet. This type of betting is recommended by a blackjack professional called Shawn Tinling link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=aW2ak8lkDZM

Progression would be 50-50-75-100-150-200-300-600.....
So as you have a winning streak on your first bet of the Trigger you follow the above progression after each win. On a loss you start back at 50 but FLAT BET for each trigger. In the long run I think we will do really well and we ditch the MARTY and its dire consequences
cheers,
Ricky

[cht]

Hi Andre,
I am sorry to hear you have had a 2nd loss in 1 week. I hope you did not actually throw your laptop. But from the tone of the post I fear you actually did.

So two losses and 100 wins. This still classifies as the HOLY GRAIL and as I mentioned we need to ditch the MARTY and FLAT BET or at least do a 1-2 if the 5th repeat starts. In your example you would only be down 2 units. But I am sure you did not see a 6-peat so as I said we could stop at FLAT betting on the 4th or make one bet at the start of each "peat" until it ends. My preference is just to stop at FLAT BETTING

What we could also do is use Positive Progression. So after a win or 2 wins next trigger we could increase our bet by half and risk some of our profit. If we lose we go back down to original base bet. This type of betting is recommended by a blackjack professional called Shawn Tinling link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=aW2ak8lkDZM

Progression would be 50-50-75-100-150-200-300-600.....
So as you have a winning streak on your first bet of the Trigger you follow the above progression after each win. On a loss you start back at 50 but FLAT BET for each trigger. In the long run I think we will do really well and we ditch the MARTY and its dire consequences
cheers,
Ricky

There are many posts about negative progression do not change the expectancy.

Recovery based progression is a fallacy.

JL PB 3steps bet has a win rate of slightly less than 7:1 for player bets, and slightly more than 7:1 for banker bet. Any under/over count is due to variance.

This is not an opinion.

It is a math fact.

[cht]

Ricky,

I like to say the truth...
I don't know what the hell is going on.
I felt like I was in paradise. Now I feel like I'm walking to hell.

Yesterday I had a great defeat ... again. As soon as I entered the casino I saw the pattern BPP already formed by 4 times in a row and. I thought: It's a great opportunity to make a big profit.

So I used the progression 200, 400, 600 and I had loss. I did not believe what I was seeing ... The pattern was formed more than 5 times: BPP BPP BPP BPP BPP BPB.

Besides the money I also lost my laptop because I threw it on the wall. I collapsed so nervous that I was. Sorry but I lost confidence in the strategy.
I feel depressed with no hope. A ruined dream ...
If you have any suggestions tell me. Help me...

I failed! My enemies... enjoy my failure.

Sorry you loss the bet.

The million dollar question - is PBandre 4steps bet a winner or loser ?

My test shows the following average count -

1. 3 signals appear in 20 shoes,
2. Complete 4steps loss appear 1-2 times in 100 shoes,
3. the 1st step is net positive,
4. the 2nd step is 50:50,
3. the 3rd/4th step is smaller net positive.

Can someone confirm or disprove my findings pls ? TQ

[Andre Chass]

Thank you all for the support!

Losing that amount really hurts. And in a moment of stress I threw my laptop on the wall...

My mistake was being very self-confident and bet big.

But I will not give up! I will not bow! I will persist until I succeed. I'll be a winner or I'll die trying !!! It's all or nothing! I'll be a winner or I'll go broke.

I want to give a more dignified life to myself and my family. I know money is not everything but unfortunately we are in a wild capitalist world.

I'll try to bet using a new approach. I will use only a two step progression and bet smaller amounts.

I'm ready to crash and burn!

Ricky,

How are your results? What kind of progression are you using? Could you explain objectively how to use the progression you posted?

Thanks!

[Ricky]

Hi Coderjoe,
thanks for clarifying. So my interpretation was correct. I won't dispute the win rate because this is going to be different for everyone depending on their method they use and the actual spins experienced. We are not disputing that LUCK has something to play in obtaining a win rate of 7 or 10 or 33. This is gambling after all.

What we are trying to do is find the method of play that is going to maximize the rate of return.  So this is where progression comes into it. Everyone has a different tolerance to risk and therefore use different progressions. Some use a 3 step, others limit it to 2 steps where the third step is not worth the risk.  I do a 0-1-2 step in my BOT betting FOR/AGAINST depending on the result of the first spin. The basic rule is
DON'T bet the 1st spin
IF 1st spin would have WON betting AGAINST then continue betting AGAINST in next 2 spins.
IF 1st spin would have LOST betting AGAINST then switch to betting FOR the pattern in next 2 spins

The idea here is I am seeing all 3 spins and not stopping after the 2nd spin. I get to see if the 8th pattern did result immediately AFTER the 7th pattern but I am limiting myself to a 1-2 progression.

So my breAK EVEN is much more than 7:1 its more like 25:1 because I am only risking 3 units not 7 units.
With 1 game to go I am currently at 78W 21L so my figures are correlating well with making a small profit as what others have experienced playing HIT & RUN but I am playing more often than 1-10 games a day. With recovery built in my actual profit is 3 euro. So I have a way to go to improve this result because this result would not be acceptable if it were typical of my next 14,000 games playing this way. I need to get to at least 85W:15L to make this worthwhile.

As a bot I do not mind that it is grinding small profits because I have not spent the time playing it. But I do expect it to generate several hundred dollars a day to make it worth the effort. So playing less and for higher units will probably show an improvement.

Cheers,
Ricky

After 6 days running, my BOT finally finished its 100 GAME test of PB on Roulette last night (actually completed 102 games) and performed well. I did not lose my 600 euro bankroll and overall made 25 euro betting 4-6 euro base bets. Considering the exposure to the wheel and the risk of ruin I think this is a sound result. There is PLENTY of room to optimize. This is where I will share my results (raw data) and will leave it to those interested in doing deep analysis to provide their feedback and ideas on how the next test can be improved. I will allow about a week before performing my next test.
Summary results
GAMES PLAYED 102
WINS 81
LOSS 21
STEP 1 WINS 52
STEP 2 WINS 29

Attached is the results which include:
1. Document showing inputs to my BOT used and graph of respective runs. Amounts show vary from graph to graph as this represented my real bankroll at the time but while running I was also testing Baccarat so my bankroll kept changing. Next time I will not do this but use the same bankroll for each test to be more consistent with the figures.
2. PB-BOT HIT & RUN 100 game test.xlsx - Stats I was taking from the results
3. PB-BOT-dd-mm-yyyy HIT AND RUN.xlsx - export from RX of actual spins and bets including where VIRTUAL bets were performed. These bets did not actually place bets on the casino but kept track in RX of the bet and result. This is used for tracking only mode and when we are out of the game in a HIT and RUN mode. So you can use these bets to determine how we would have went had we kept playing continuously without taking a break.
Enjoy

PS
In the meantime I will start playing PB Andre version on Baccarat to try and capitalize on this incredible win rate. I will try FLAT BETTING for the next month after seeing 3 repeats

Cheers,
Ricky

[Ricky]

Sorry you loss the bet.

The million dollar question - is PBandre 4steps bet a winner or loser ?

My test shows the following average count -

1. 3 signals appear in 20 shoes,
2. Complete 4steps loss appear 1-2 times in 100 shoes,
3. the 1st step is net positive,
4. the 2nd step is 50:50,
3. the 3rd/4th step is smaller net positive.

Can someone confirm or disprove my findings pls ? TQ

Hi CHT check my recent post confirming your findings. Here it is again

[Ricky]

Ricky,

How are your results? What kind of progression are you using? Could you explain objectively how to use the progression you posted?

Thanks!

Hi Andre,
Firstly I would like to thank you for sharing this method with the forum and your observation of the rarity of this sequence. Subsequent results and testing have obviously shown that this may be one of MANY patterns that only come up on rare occasions. But when they do they can obviously come in waves. So we need to always be prepared that the next trigger is going to be the one to form the rare 4th or 5th or 6th pattern. So the only way to tackle this is to do as I suggested with the FLAT BETTING and using POSITIVE progression as mentioned by Shawn Tinling playing blackjack. If you get a winning streak betting FIRST step then you increase your bet after 2 wins in a row. You keep increasing using 50-50-75-100-150-200-300-400-500 UNTIL your 1st STEP loses. Then you go back to betting 50 on 1st STEP. Now to avoid your recent wipe out I would not try to use Marty of negative progression for the next step but what I would do is if the 4th pattern repeats bet another 50 on the 1st step of the 5th pattern. If it repeats then bet another 50 on the 6th pattern. This way we are only FLAT betting knowing that eventually the pattern must stop. If it stops halfway through a repeat then we take the loss and wait for the next trigger. Doing this I think we can even avoid covering the Tie Bet as we are not using negative progression betting anymore

I will try this for the next month and see if I continue getting the 10:1 ratio on 1st step

Cheers,
Ricky

[Andre Chass]

Thanks Ricky!

Tomorrow I'll buy another laptop...lol  and start it again.