*PATTERN BREAKER*

[DoctorSudoku]

Hi cht
Let’s compare pattern attack with pattern breaker played on baccarat. As a baseline we have stated this before. Baccarat is the most even casino game you can play. The original version has no zero to lose e/c bets. In fact you get your money back on a tie. Ps watch out for a variant being introduced in some casinos called baccarat 2-1 where you actually lose your banker/player bets on a tie in exchange for higher returns on player/banker

Secondly. Random is set at the start of the shoe and every hand is predetermined at that point.

Thirdly, if you use a card tracking software you can determine what cards are remaining and eventually you get to a point where certain card combinations are eliminated. So if you have no combination to get to 9 for instance then you can use this information to determine your bets. It’s sort of like card counting in blackjack.

Now, let’s compare PA and PB.
Pattern breaker allows you to bet more often as the 7 patterns usually close within 2/3 of a shoe. It then becomes a factor of luck/chance whether the 8th will follow the 7th. So we need to determine if the random shuffle of a shoe is going to provide the same performance as a roulette wheel which generates a random selection every spin. Now the current version of PB has improved the original concept by using all three E/C bets to determine which one would close first allowing a random choice of betting against the 8th pattern

With pattern attack we are limiting our betting to a fixed pattern. Therefore we eliminate the risk of losing against other patterns. Due to this fact I think this is the main reason why PA performs so well. It avoids you betting whenever the pattern has not formed thus avoiding getting into a losing position. It also inherently enforces patience and discipline in your gambling.

This approach can be used on the original PB played on roulette as well as baccarat. If we were to limit the patterns we would bet against to 2 our of the 8 then we can use the same approach tracking the 7 patterns to close and then only bet against the 8th if it was one of these patterns. This would add an extra condition on the PB rules and reduce the betting opportunities to fewer shoes or spins. It may generate the same win rate also.

Any thoughts and comments welcome

Cheers
Ricky

Ricky,
I had in the past thought about cutting down on the possibilities for the 8th pattern also in order to improve the strike rate for PB.

My suspicion, naturally, fell on the BBB and PPP patterns, especially if it was in the middle of a hostile streak !

Here is an example:

Let's say the last remaining -- the 8th -- pattern is BBB.

That means that we have to bet PPP (as per PB rules).

But let's say the last two hands came out as BB.

So we have a problematic situation here -- should we start betting PPP as per the PB rules?

But what if the last two hands being BB means that it is the start of a B streak?

If that is the case, then we will lose that game by betting PPP (since we have to bet PPP to win against the last remaining 8th pattern).

The above scenario -- with appropriate modifications -- can apply to other patterns also.

I never really dived into this issue in detail before, but maybe it is something we have to pay heed to (if we are interested in improving the strike rate for the original PB method).

[cht]

Hi cht
Let’s compare pattern attack with pattern breaker played on baccarat. As a baseline we have stated this before. Baccarat is the most even casino game you can play. The original version has no zero to lose e/c bets. In fact you get your money back on a tie. Ps watch out for a variant being introduced in some casinos called baccarat 2-1 where you actually lose your banker/player bets on a tie in exchange for higher returns on player/banker

Secondly. Random is set at the start of the shoe and every hand is predetermined at that point.

Thirdly, if you use a card tracking software you can determine what cards are remaining and eventually you get to a point where certain card combinations are eliminated. So if you have no combination to get to 9 for instance then you can use this information to determine your bets. It’s sort of like card counting in blackjack.

Now, let’s compare PA and PB.
Pattern breaker allows you to bet more often as the 7 patterns usually close within 2/3 of a shoe. It then becomes a factor of luck/chance whether the 8th will follow the 7th. So we need to determine if the random shuffle of a shoe is going to provide the same performance as a roulette wheel which generates a random selection every spin. Now the current version of PB has improved the original concept by using all three E/C bets to determine which one would close first allowing a random choice of betting against the 8th pattern

With pattern attack we are limiting our betting to a fixed pattern. Therefore we eliminate the risk of losing against other patterns. Due to this fact I think this is the main reason why PA performs so well. It avoids you betting whenever the pattern has not formed thus avoiding getting into a losing position. It also inherently enforces patience and discipline in your gambling.

This approach can be used on the original PB played on roulette as well as baccarat. If we were to limit the patterns we would bet against to 2 our of the 8 then we can use the same approach tracking the 7 patterns to close and then only bet against the 8th if it was one of these patterns. This would add an extra condition on the PB rules and reduce the betting opportunities to fewer shoes or spins. It may generate the same win rate also.

Any thoughts and comments welcome

Cheers
Ricky

This approach(bold) will require specific study. Tbh, I can't see the reason why any of the 8 patterns has a different frequency when compared to the others.

[moles40]

In U.K. I just noticed a lot of live roulette website offer la partage  rule on roulette,this system just got even more unbeatable. 

Does John legend play on the la partage tables,hope he and everyone else does,maybe a new progression for this feature ?

Remember it reduces the house edge by half 

[Roulettebeater]

Guys are getting rich playing this system with baccarat, I think Andre is profiting a lot playing his adjusted version.

[moles40]

Can you post his version as too many pages to go through

[DoctorSudoku]

Can you post his version as too many pages to go through

Moles,

You can read this:

Here are the rules:

Start tracking a shoe.

If you see one of the following patterns you start betting AGAINST the pattern continuing

PBB PBB PB              Bet PBP
           
BPP BPP BP              Bet BPB

Do not IGNORE tie results as this affects sequence of results. Treat it as another unmatched pattern.

You can cover the Tie to avoid losses.

Ex:

B P B P B P
B P    P
B
B
B

You have above BPP BPP BP

P B P B P B
P B    B   
P
P
P

You have above PBB PBB PB


Both qualify as triggers

P B P B P B P
      P    P

You have above BPP BPP BP

B P B P B P B
      B    B   

You have above PBB PBB PB

Both qualify as triggers.

[DoctorSudoku]

Moles,
For the progression, come up with your own.

Or experiment around with various types and see what you feel comfortable with.

[Roulettebeater]

SudoKu,

You are too fast to reply, thx and appreciated 
it seems you never sleep, day and night in front of your PC.

when do you have time for your visit to B&M Casino?

[DoctorSudoku]

SudoKu,

You are too fast to reply, thx and appreciated 
it seems you never sleep, day and night in front of your PC.

when do you have time for your visit to B&M Casino?

Roulettebeater,
You registered two or three years AFTER I did and as of today you have about 150 MORE posts than I do.

And then you accuse me of being in front of the PC  all day long  ? ? ? ? ? ?

[DoctorSudoku]

Moles,
For the progression, come up with your own.

Or experiment around with various types and see what you feel comfortable with.

You can go either for a 3 step or a 4 step progression.

Examples of 3-steppers:

1 1 1

1 1.5 1.5

1 2 2

1 1 3.

Examples of 4-steppers:

1 1 1 1

1 1.5  1.5  2

1 2 2 2

1 1 1 2.

Better yet, come up with your own variation that fits your bank roll (and psychology).

[Roulettebeater]

Roulettebeater,
You registered two or three years AFTER I did and as of today you have about 150 MORE posts than I do.

And then you accuse me of being in front of the PC  all day long  ? ? ? ? ? ?

You have right, i agree

Drsudoku, i would like to ask you a question, since you are a permanent visitor of B&M Casino.
I have never been to a B&M Casino, i play all the time online.

The question is, is it allowed to use your Iphone when you are playing dealer Roulette at b&m casino?

[DoctorSudoku]

You have right, i agree

Drsudoku, i would like to ask you a question, since you are a permanent visitor of B&M Casino.
I have never been to a B&M Casino, i play all the time online.

The question is, is it allowed to use your Iphone when you are playing dealer Roulette at b&m casino?

Roulettebeater,
I live in the US, so I can only tell you what happens here.

In US casinos, the general idea is that you cannot use your phone while standing next to the table (regardless of whether you are just standing there or are actually betting).

If you take out your smartphone, there is a good chance that the dealer will ask you to either put it away or ask you to move away from the table.

I have seen it happen many, many times. So, yes, if you are in a casino in this country, and you want to use your smartphone, you have to move away from the table (the only exception might be if you are standing at the very far end of the table where the COLUMN bets are placed -- but I cannot vouch for it).

The situation in EU casinos may be different.

[Roulettebeater]

Roulettebeater,
I live in the US, so I can only tell you what happens here.

In US casinos, the general idea is that you cannot use your phone while standing next to the table (regardless of whether you are just standing there or are actually betting).

If you take out your smartphone, there is a good chance that the dealer will ask you to either put it away or ask you to move away from the table.

I have seen it happen many, many times. So, yes, if you are in a casino in this country, and you want to use your smartphone, you have to move away from the table (the only exception might be if you are standing at the very far end of the table where the COLUMN bets are placed -- but I cannot vouch for it).

The situation in EU casinos may be different.

thx, that would be a big problem for me at some point in the future, when i can only play at land casino.
i have developed a computer program that predicts the winning number, as long as i am playing online, this should be no problem.

the idea was to deploy the program on the iphone and use it there, but you shocked me that it's not allowed to use an iphone at land casino.


i dunno what other possibility still viable for me !

[DoctorSudoku]

I live in the US.

What I told you applies to US casinos.

One clarification: you can use your phone at the airball terminals -- no one will bother you!

The situation in EU casinos may be different, so ask your fellow euros to get a better picture.

[Proofreaders2000]

(I like to do this every so often on this thread)

Here is Ophis' MST (Multi-System Tracker)
which includes the Original Pattern Breaker. 

It tracks all three Even Chances simultaneously.

Cheers!