*PATTERN BREAKER*

[Subreptivus]

Hello, Johnlegend!

And that's what's sadly lacking on ALL roulette forums. And why I have pulled back from contributing anymore on here.

Maybe you'll share with us where do you continue to contribute, if there is any other place exist?

And regarding this particular strategy, I'm testing it on slingshot (autowheel) with paper. So far I don't have much time during the day for testing it, but at the moment twenty games have been played (original rules) and step 5 wasn't challenged.

Thanks in advance!

[simont]

Yes Gordon that's what is fascinating with this method. With Pattern 4 the game is won or lost in 3 spins. With PATTERN BREAKER. You could potentially win 25 plus times in one game. I have seen it several times. With about 8 winning cycles being the normal good winning streak. I think this is the value of that WAIT with this method. To learn how to harness a potential goldmine of wins.

I'm new here so don't be too harsh 

Just spent a few days reading through 55 pages of Pattern Breaker comments. All very interesting.

One thing is puzzling me. I thought in Pattern Breaker that you stopped the session after you had a single win and then restarted tracking (after a break) for another game. But comments like the one above suggest continuing to bet until the pattern you are betting against finally shows up and you lose.

Am I misunderstanding how Pattern Breaker works, or is this a variant of the original? 

[Bayes]

I don't blame anyone but BV NZ and i'll write the whole story here:

After reading several hundreds of pages on this forum i settled with 2 systems: PB and Code4
After reading many comments about BV NZ being a fair roulette game i created an account there and deposited 10E.
I started playing both systems simultaneously PB and C4 using MSTracker. I played with only 0.1 chips to 25E then using 0.2chips to 50E. Until this point i have only lost once with C4 but i soon recovered using both systems. At 50E i started using 0.5chips after a few spins i lost with C4 again 40E!! (with 0.5/0.5 1.5/1.5 4.5/4.5 13.5/13.5 progression) I was at 10E AGAIN but i didn't give up and started building with 0.1 and 0.2 chips up to ~40E. I then started again using 0.5chips and only after few spins i lost at step one 0.5--1--2 using PB O/E(nothing abnormal i lost before with PB at step 1 but recovered in second game) then i waited for PB H/L and went to step 2 progression 4--8--16 and got double loss losing a total of 31.5E. I was AGAIN at ~10E and i was sure it can't lose the 3rd time in row and i waited for PB O/E again and bet using 1.5--3--6 progression and lost the 3rd time and with this my whole BR!! I'm only sorry for the days i played using God darn 0.1--0.2chips to build up my BR and lost everything in few minutes!!


I don't blame the system because with 0.1--0.2chips i got to 50E from only 10E. I blame BV NZ for making me lose each time i started using 0.5chips. I'm pretty sure they mess up with roulette once you start betting more than usual. I'm not sure if i should give another try with 10E and recover or leave BV NZ.
If somebody wants to help pm me a FAIR LIVE ROULETTE SITE WITH 0.1 CHIPS!

There is nothing fishy going on here. What you experienced is just the typical result of using the martingale on a simple system. Eventually you will hit a sequence which wipes out all your gains.

Come on guys, this is gambling 101 stuff! It's JL who really should know better.

The odds of losing a game in this system are 7-1. Now, think about it. Have you ever seen a single number hit 3 times in a row? of course you have, and probably more. So if that can happen on odds of 35-1 it sure as hell will happen with lower odds. The lower the odds, the longer the streaks. You had a pretty good run to build your bank up from 10 euros to 50, then you got a set of bunched losses, just as you should. Your problem is lack of research and testing, don't fall fall for the tired old mantra of "all RNGs are cheats".

JL talks about fast turnover, well that's completely irrelevant to the system, if it's a winner. You should be grateful for that fast turnover because you wasted less time than you would have if you'd played a live wheel. I keep saying it; RNG can give the illusion that it "doesn't let you win" because it DOES give you fast turnover - you can play 5 spins or more on an RNG in the time it takes to get 1 spin on a live wheel. Again, how does this affect the system itself? if the system is a winner it should just mean you win the same in less time. Isn't that just common sense?

And again, please tell me how BV can cheat with its hash function. This is something which is ignored by all BV's detractors,  maybe because they don't understand it.

In my opinion, it's a shame that you haven't even considered that it's the system which may be at fault, not the casino. Now you're planning to do the whole thing over again and will lose much more time and possibly money. 

[Subreptivus]

And regarding this particular strategy, I'm testing it on slingshot (autowheel) with paper. So far I don't have much time during the day for testing it, but at the moment twenty games have been played (original rules) and step 5 wasn't challenged.

Gentlemens, I beg your pardon!
I don't know where were my eyes, but I posted in wrong thread
So what was mentioned about strategy\system is totally referencing to *VERTICAL 8*.

[Robeenhuut]

There is nothing fishy going on here. What you experienced is just the typical result of using the martingale on a simple system. Eventually you will hit a sequence which wipes out all your gains.

Come on guys, this is gambling 101 stuff! It's JL who really should know better.

The odds of losing a game in this system are 7-1. Now, think about it. Have you ever seen a single number hit 3 times in a row? of course you have, and probably more. So if that can happen on odds of 35-1 it sure as hell will happen with lower odds. The lower the odds, the longer the streaks. You had a pretty good run to build your bank up from 10 euros to 50, then you got a set of bunched losses, just as you should. Your problem is lack of research and testing, don't fall fall for the tired old mantra of "all RNGs are cheats".

JL talks about fast turnover, well that's completely irrelevant to the system, if it's a winner. You should be grateful for that fast turnover because you wasted less time than you would have if you'd played a live wheel. I keep saying it; RNG can give the illusion that it "doesn't let you win" because it DOES give you fast turnover - you can play 5 spins or more on an RNG in the time it takes to get 1 spin on a live wheel. Again, how does this affect the system itself? if the system is a winner it should just mean you win the same in less time. Isn't that just common sense?

And again, please tell me how BV can cheat with its hash function. This is something which is ignored by all BV's detractors,  maybe because they don't understand it.

In my opinion, it's a shame that you haven't even considered that it's the system which may be at fault, not the casino. Now you're planning to do the whole thing over again and will lose much more time and possibly money. 

Yeah dont ever use an agresive progression. U will be wiped out sooner or later. Play a system with a flat betting or a very very mild progression.  Put your stop loss relatively low for example at 30 or 40 units if you aim to win 20 units a day. There are systems that you can win 3 times out of 4 on a average basis. If u are comfortable enough increase your stakes accordingly.  Never play a method that you have to risk 81 units to win 1 unit. This is an recipe for a disaster.  And systems that u have 7 to 1 chances to win 1 units  give you also a false sense of security too.


Regards

[XXVV]

This is a series of very interesting and valuable observations.

While in a period of extensive travel and live spin play in the casinos I have found that one of the most reliable/ readable of methods is the reverse bet I applied to the D+C matrix method. This is a cousin of the above matrix and certain principles may be transferred, but the beauty of the D+C is its simplicity and ability to be reversed to manufacture a smarter bet, given care over Ecart 'context'.
Generally I found that taking a short progression to 7 steps, using the Whittaker progression, has proven most reliable.

I play in cycles of 90 spins live ( 1.5-2.5 hours) and generally the net return when in aggressive Ecart mode will be +25 units, or if more testing, about +11 units.
The 7 steps requires only 21 units and thus in the case of a stop-loss, and with reasonable care over selection of a session to play, the loss can be repaired in a couple of winning sessions.
The value of the units can be stepped as you build a bank.
Another reason I like the method is that is quite forgiving and not so specific inside table number demanding, so that we don't get fooled by randomness quite so often.
There will be more specific comment soon in the Experimental Methods thread.
No dis-respect intended of course to JL or SD as the PB and D+C can have long positive winning streaks also. It is all to do with timing and choice.
XXVV

[Johnlegend]

There is nothing fishy going on here. What you experienced is just the typical result of using the martingale on a simple system. Eventually you will hit a sequence which wipes out all your gains.

Come on guys, this is gambling 101 stuff! It's JL who really should know better.

The odds of losing a game in this system are 7-1. Now, think about it. Have you ever seen a single number hit 3 times in a row? of course you have, and probably more. So if that can happen on odds of 35-1 it sure as hell will happen with lower odds. The lower the odds, the longer the streaks. You had a pretty good run to build your bank up from 10 euros to 50, then you got a set of bunched losses, just as you should. Your problem is lack of research and testing, don't fall fall for the tired old mantra of "all RNGs are cheats".

JL talks about fast turnover, well that's completely irrelevant to the system, if it's a winner. You should be grateful for that fast turnover because you wasted less time than you would have if you'd played a live wheel. I keep saying it; RNG can give the illusion that it "doesn't let you win" because it DOES give you fast turnover - you can play 5 spins or more on an RNG in the time it takes to get 1 spin on a live wheel. Again, how does this affect the system itself? if the system is a winner it should just mean you win the same in less time. Isn't that just common sense?

And again, please tell me how BV can cheat with its hash function. This is something which is ignored by all BV's detractors,  maybe because they don't understand it.

In my opinion, it's a shame that you haven't even considered that it's the system which may be at fault, not the casino. Now you're planning to do the whole thing over again and will lose much more time and possibly money. 

I do not cite fast turnover as the reason you lose at manmade ROULETTE Bayes. Its the lure, it plays on the inherent weakness and greed of human nature. I want to GET RICH QUICK mentality.

The reason you lose is you are playing a machine that in no way mirrors the physics of true random. Its a percentage machine designed to MAKE PROFIT FOR ITS CREATORS. While paying out only once that PROFIT MARGIN IS ****SECURED****. And the millions of fools who think otherwise will be throwing their money down the drain for generations to come.

I don't say any method (Mine or otherwise) will best manmade roulette LONGTERM. Because it won't. I SAY, the methods I endorse will generate a longterm profit played in short BURSTS a max of 4 games per session. Now find me the person/s. Who can stick to the plan for several thousand REAL LIVE GAMES. And you will yield similar results to what I do.

There is no other way to approach this. You can hover around the issue all you like. Until you do it PROPERLY. You will never see it.

[Johnlegend]

RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER FOR 13/12/11

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 2000

TOTAL GAMES WON 1,845

TOTAL GAMES LOST 155

STRIKERATE APPROX 12/1

BALANCE 2,218 UNITS PLUS

DOUBLE LOSSES 1

Having now reached another milestone of 2000 games played, I am very happy with the solid consistency my best personal method continues to display.

[amk]

JohnLegend your results are great. The way you apply yourself to the game is amazing.........

I look forward to the posts on this thread for the next few days or even weeks.

Until next time...........


PS 

take a look at "Roulette And Gambling Framework" section under thread "Chapter 5: The Dueling Laws Of Large and Small Number" I found it intriguing .

[Bayes]

And the millions of fools who think otherwise will be throwing their money down the drain for generations to come.

I'm not doing badly for a fool.


And how does BV get around the hash function again?

[sarif]

what is the correct way of playing this system win any of the even chances and reset or contnue playing can someone please clarify

[Ruprekht]

The odds of losing a game in this system are 7-1. Now, think about it. Have you ever seen a single number hit 3 times in a row? of course you have, and probably more. So if that can happen on odds of 35-1 it sure as hell will happen with lower odds. The lower the odds, the longer the streaks. You had a pretty good run to build your bank up from 10 euros to 50, then you got a set of bunched losses, just as you should. Your problem is lack of research and testing, don't fall fall for the tired old mantra of "all RNGs are cheats".


[/quote]
Yes, 35-1. But......You forgot one thing. Combinatorics. Have you seen often, for instance, 17-18-19 came out? I haven't. But every number there has odds of 35-1.
Best wishes.

[Timo]

The odds of losing a game in this system are 7-1. Now, think about it. Have you ever seen a single number hit 3 times in a row? of course you have, and probably more. So if that can happen on odds of 35-1 it sure as hell will happen with lower odds. The lower the odds, the longer the streaks. You had a pretty good run to build your bank up from 10 euros to 50, then you got a set of bunched losses, just as you should. Your problem is lack of research and testing, don't fall fall for the tired old mantra of "all RNGs are cheats".



Yes, 35-1. But......You forgot one thing. Combinatorics. Have you seen often, for instance, 17-18-19 came out? I haven't. But every number there has odds of 35-1.
Best wishes.

And play if 0 comes then 9, 19 ,29 four rounds.. Usually hits.

[sarif]

so do i restart if i win on any even chances

[Ruprekht]

There is nothing fishy going on here. What you experienced is just the typical result of using the martingale on a simple system. Eventually you will hit a sequence which wipes out all your gains.

Come on guys, this is gambling 101 stuff! It's JL who really should know better.

The odds of losing a game in this system are 7-1. Now, think about it. Have you ever seen a single number hit 3 times in a row? of course you have, and probably more. So if that can happen on odds of 35-1 it sure as hell will happen with lower odds. The lower the odds, the longer the streaks. You had a pretty good run to build your bank up from 10 euros to 50, then you got a set of bunched losses, just as you should. Your problem is lack of research and testing, don't fall fall for the tired old mantra of "all RNGs are cheats".

JL talks about fast turnover, well that's completely irrelevant to the system, if it's a winner. You should be grateful for that fast turnover because you wasted less time than you would have if you'd played a live wheel. I keep saying it; RNG can give the illusion that it "doesn't let you win" because it DOES give you fast turnover - you can play 5 spins or more on an RNG in the time it takes to get 1 spin on a live wheel. Again, how does this affect the system itself? if the system is a winner it should just mean you win the same in less time. Isn't that just common sense?

And again, please tell me how BV can cheat with its hash function. This is something which is ignored by all BV's detractors,  maybe because they don't understand it.

In my opinion, it's a shame that you haven't even considered that it's the system which may be at fault, not the casino. Now you're planning to do the whole thing over again and will lose much more time and possibly money. 

Yes, 35-1. But......You forgot one thing. Combinatorics. Have you seen often, for instance, 17-18-19 came out? I haven't. But every number there has odds of 35-1.