*PATTERN BREAKER*

[malcop]

So speed let me get this straight, if you met someone that believed in God, as many in this world do, and because they have not proved his existence to your satisfaction you would call that person to his/her face that they are a liar!


Is this what you are saying?


I know we are talking about Roulette here, but because you do not hold someone's belief you have no right to call them a liar.


Throughout history by your premise there must have been many liars, those that believed the world was round, that man would be able to Fly, that man would go to the moon, that man would be able to speak to each other thousands of miles away with signals that go through the air, I don't need to go on, you should get my point.


I am not saying I think JL is right or you are right, what I am saying is you have no right to call someone a liar because you do not believe in what they do.


Misguided maybe, but liar NO!

[Bayes]

What Malcop said. 

And besides, JL was in the process of proving that he wasn't lying about his claims. The results so far are inconclusive, but you've got to give the guy some credit for stepping up when asked. Now it seems he won't get the chance, not in this forum anyway.

[Turner]

To Everyone....

Look up JL's posts and see how many times bad arguments broke out. Those posts seem to attract argument.

Speed has his view, malcop, bayes, Superman....and myself....to name a few

Let us use this parting with JL to get on with the job of Winning with Roulette.

I think newbies are scared to post here...it looks aggressive at times, but strangely, I think some top flight members with great knowledge are a bit scared to post too because it becomes a black and white fight.

let get posting and helping....nudge in the right direction here....nudge in the right direction there and get the forum fun and not intimidating

my 2 peneth....sue me!

Turner.

[Steve]

wow ok.. Firstly, it is sad to see so many naive people and let me clarify a few points:

Please understand these points well:



1. Banning of JL has NOTHING to do with me disagreeing with him. It is entirely because:

a. he is Fender who has been banned multiple times before for inappropriate conduct. PLUS I have good reason to believe he is also CEH.

b. I believe he is degrading the integrity of the forum.

I have disagreed with many people on forums and I never banned them unless they were overall bad for the forum as per the forum rules.



2. The suggestion that I ban members that are against my products is ridiculous. I couldnt care less if people use whatever systems. From a promotional point of view, all the forum needs is CONTENT for the search engines. And that brings traffic to the ads. From a promotional perspective, the more content the better, and the more popular the content, the better - NO MATTER WHAT THE CONTENT IS.

Now JL was a top contributor of content. Good for me, lots of content even though it is so wrong it makes me feel "queasy" as people are so blind and can't see the problem. SO WHY DID I BAN HIM? . . . refer to point 1 above. I will not sacrifice what I know is right for a bit of extra profit.

I can see the banned people moved to victor's new forum. I won't name names yet, but last night I did some investigating with IP addresses to see who is who. And some of the top posters have been banned before under different names. Even people that are universally disliked, and it is clear nobody suspects a thing. I will watch these members closely.

The reason VLS is now quieter is because when i became admin, I identified some of the top posters were plain full of thing and causing damage to people that were not thinking correctly. Maybe I should have let the forum run rampant with manipulation, should I have? I'm not sure if I'd be happy with letting it happen.



I'm in the situation where I can see more than what most members see, including who's who, complaints from all sides etc. I also have a fairly good grasp of roulette too. So my position is I see someone using fake names and constantly misleading people.... but many members seem to want to be misled. And at the same time, letting them be misled is better for me as it is more content and more money. So, do I allow it to happen and sacrifice my morals and let it happen? . . . . . . or do I do the right thing and ban a serial offender?

What would you do? I made my decision.

Proofreader, you said:

His objective is to sell/lease his roulette computer and create roulette partnerships.  Allowing users to post systems/comments are secondary.  Steve can't let someone with a questionable reputation affect his business.

NO. Selling is not primary. If it was, I would not have banned JL. Read what I wrote above.

Now regarding people that are against the ban. Either some people don't appreciate or understand the decision I made. It seems more they don't understand, or perhaps forget the past. If you want to be led up the garden path and lied to, you do that. People can decide for themselves.

I have enough evidence to support JL is CEH and am looking through old archives to confirm. What a waste of time though. It is al;ready clear JL is full of it and some of you are so naive. A year to test a long term strategy where you make only a few bets?.... +70 or whatever units is a true test of long term winning? I MEAN COME ON! Are some of you seriously buying it? Amazing!!!

Nevertheless, lets have a poll...

[Steve]

I've now unbanned JL and unlocked threads. Knock yourselves out, go get them casinos

BUT ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS! Like

1. why is 1000 sessions from one player different to 1000 sessions from the same player? Is there ANY evidence to support this?

2. Is playing say 100 spins in a year really long term??

Come on, its really not that hard. But some of you are so incredibly unknowledgeable and think I'm the one with the problem. You can think that. Wooo I'm the crackpot that uses physics and says you MUST increase accuracy of predictions. Wooo the crackpots are also the casinos because they are only concerned with advantage play methods, not the JL hit and run and progression and all that junk. Even the casinos are thickheaded... right? I'm used to people knowing no better about me or such basic things.

[Twisteruk]

I think everyone has seen everyones colors 

[Steve]

Twister, yes indeed. Some people are literally deluded and actually think I'm the bad guy.

[Bayes]

wow ok.. Firstly, it is sad to see so many naive people and let me clarify a few points:

Please understand these points well:



1. Banning of JL has NOTHING to do with me disagreeing with him. It is entirely because:

a. he is Fender who has been banned multiple times before for inappropriate conduct. PLUS I have good reason to believe he is also CEH.

b. I believe he is degrading the integrity of the forum.

I have disagreed with many people on forums and I never banned them unless they were overall bad for the forum as per the forum rules.

Steve,

I was posting on VLS when "Fender" appeared and I don't recall him being banned multiple times. If he was banned multiple times what were his other usernames? I'm only aware of 2 - Fender & JohnLegend, and he was banned only once from VLS as I recall. Unlike other members like Viper/Jordan/MOP or John Gold/Sherminator he's never been aggressive/trolling or found to be selling systems, so what exactly is/was his inappropriate behaviour? what forum rules has he violated?

I think that's why some members are objecting to the ban, it seems like there's no good reason for it other than some unsubstantiated accusation that he's CEH. Most of us are "naive" in that we play around with systems, NONE of which can be winners from a mathematical point of view, but that's irrelevant to the protests against the ban. I've criticized JL myself, and was the first to do so, for over-hyping his systems and advocating H.A.R. (which I still think is nonsense, at least in the way that JL defines it). And to say that he should be banned because he's made claims that he hasn't "proved" is just ridiculous;  even if it were a reasonable condition for not being banned (which it isn't) it's almost impossible to prove, especially online. The best you can do is calculate the odds of a claim being true, but it isn't conclusive proof.

Anyway, thanks for reinstating him, although I'm not sure whether he'll be back.

[Steve]

Bayes, does it really matter now? I'm allowing people to delude themselves.

But ok, fender was on my Rf.net forum too. Rule violations? Firstly, he is MISLEADING people. I have explained it all before. And some of you actually believe he has the method by "hit and run" and only playing a few spins each year. Like I said, astonishing. But like I said, it doesn't matter now. Secondly, fedner was banned previously for similar activity where he screwed with peoples heads clearly enough to the point where it was CLEAR ENOUGH TO BE REALISTICALLY DELIBERATE. He crossed the line between just being ignorant to well into the "damaging" other people. Not to mention he kept coming back under fake names after being banned, another violation.

Some deluded people think I'm the bad guy. NO IDEA. I just cannot get my head around the delusion.

Please don't tell me the accusation that he is CEH is unsubstantiated. You don't see the IP addresses accross 3 different forums. I do. I've explained this before, many times.

AGAIN, I did not ban him for not believing him. I don't believe many people on forums but I don't ban them for it. Read what I wrote.

Whether he comes back or not is up to him. My ads run on both forums so it really makes no difference to me. Like I said, I'm allowing manipulation and nonsense to run free. To teach some people a lesson. But unfortunately some people are so far in a deluded state, they'll probably die thinking I'm the bad guy, physics doesn't work, casinos and casino consultants don't know better, hit and run works, JL has the holy grail, +70 units in a year of play is significant... and so on. ****, I don't know how it can be any clearer. But whatever, I need to learn to live with other people's ignorance.

[speed]

So speed let me get this straight, if you met someone that believed in God, as many in this world do, and because they have not proved his existence to your satisfaction you would call that person to his/her face that they are a liar!


Is this what you are saying?


I know we are talking about Roulette here, but because you do not hold someone's belief you have no right to call them a liar.


Throughout history by your premise there must have been many liars, those that believed the world was round, that man would be able to Fly, that man would go to the moon, that man would be able to speak to each other thousands of miles away with signals that go through the air, I don't need to go on, you should get my point.


I am not saying I think JL is right or you are right, what I am saying is you have no right to call someone a liar because you do not believe in what they do.


Misguided maybe, but liar NO!

For me he is a big liar, but I advise you to get rich with his systems as someone before.

[Turner]

Bayes, does it really matter now? I'm allowing people to delude themselves.

But ok, fender was on my Rf.net forum too. Rule violations? Firstly, he is MISLEADING people. I have explained it all before. And some of you actually believe he has the method by "hit and run" and only playing a few spins each year. Like I said, astonishing. But like I said, it doesn't matter now. Secondly, fedner was banned previously for similar activity where he screwed with peoples heads clearly enough to the point where it was CLEAR ENOUGH TO BE REALISTICALLY DELIBERATE. He crossed the line between just being ignorant to well into the "damaging" other people. Not to mention he kept coming back under fake names after being banned, another violation.

Some deluded people think I'm the bad guy. NO IDEA. I just cannot get my head around the delusion.

Please don't tell me the accusation that he is CEH is unsubstantiated. You don't see the IP addresses accross 3 different forums. I do. I've explained this before, many times.

AGAIN, I did not ban him for not believing him. I don't believe many people on forums but I don't ban them for it. Read what I wrote.

Whether he comes back or not is up to him. My ads run on both forums so it really makes no difference to me. Like I said, I'm allowing manipulation and nonsense to run free. To teach some people a lesson. But unfortunately some people are so far in a deluded state, they'll probably die thinking I'm the bad guy, physics doesn't work, casinos and casino consultants don't know better, hit and run works, JL has the holy grail, +70 units in a year of play is significant... and so on. ****, I don't know how it can be any clearer. But whatever, I need to learn to live with other people's ignorance.

So basically Steve, we are all a bunch of knob-heads, who know Jack but we are good for Search Engine Optimization?

[Twisteruk]

Twister, yes indeed. Some people are literally deluded and actually think I'm the bad guy.

Amazing  How is that even possible ?? God this World is screwed up 

[ignatus]

Stop fighting, you only making everything worse! Nobody is perfect, we all make mistakes. Who is right who is wrong? Doesn't matter? We're all trying to beat an impossible game here! 

[Steve]

God this World is screwed up

Actually, yes it is screwed up.

So basically Steve, we are all a bunch of knob-heads, who know Jack but we are good for Search Engine Optimization?

No not "Knob-heads". It is accurate to say many of you actually believe people like the JLs, the Alabalahs etc and think you can beat roulette with the same nonsense that has been tried a billion times before with the same result. Some of these people clearly and willingly manipulate people, but the victims have no clue about it. And I try to help people by explaining it all in plain English, but some of you are so far gone that you actually think I'm the bad guy. But such people post a lot, which actually benefits me financially.

I can't make it much clearer. Just leave it at I'm the bad guy. Everyone's happy. Believe whatever you want to believe.

Stop fighting, you only making everything worse! Nobody is perfect, we all make mistakes. Who is right who is wrong? Doesn't matter? We're all trying to beat an impossible game here!

NO!

Listen to me. Roulette has been beaten for a very long time. What you have said is a comment from someone who tries to beat it with methods like JL then scratches their head wondering how anyone can make money from this crazy game.

Anyway I just still cannot get my head around how blind some of you are. You support manipulators and criticize people telling the truth. Why would I help such people?  I can't be bothered. Everyone do what you want.

[ignatus]

NO!

Listen to me. Roulette has been beaten for a very long time. What you have said is a comment from someone who tries to beat it with methods like JL then scratches their head wondering how anyone can make money from this crazy game.

WHAT THE **** I just still cannot get my head around how blind some of you are. I can't be bothered. Everyone do what you want.

What's the matter? It was a joke.  Ofcourse I believe roulette CAN be beaten, why would I be here on the forum if i didn't believe that ?... This fighting and bad attitudes leads nowhere . That was my point :/