*PATTERN BREAKER*

[Robeenhuut]

No need to be condescending about my ability to interpret data.  I can make mistakes.  I fix them. What i'd like to see is you contributing data like Gizmo has done here. If the only thing you did was shoot down every system that was ever proposed here, that would be a contribution, as long as it was backed by data.  RX, Random.org and actuals are fine.  Let's see what they can prove.  How else would we know when someone is embellishing data?

As for contributions, i stay out of the way of people who are actually contributing and only need to know WHAT is the exact method proposed so anybody can know HOW to obtain the data necessary.  Yes, i'm big on charts because they can often tell more than a list of numbers. That's a contribution of mine.  Had Gizmo posted his results in chart form, there would be no mistaking the data.  And i do consider getting on your case a big contribution.  If it wasn't for me, you would still probably be posting in that ridiculously abbreviated code language used to communicate with your girlfriends over the phone.  If you actually have anything worthwhile to say, i think the group can thank me for making it easier to understand.  I hope you can improve your game in these other areas i'm mentioning as well. 

Regards.

Still

Just read my posts where i questioned JL stats and posted some statistical data to back up my claims. If you have a problem with a verification ask somebody who you consider an authority on this subject.

Regards

[malcop]

I guess I am an advocate of it.

Let me grasp the people that are against its point of view...

I spin one or 2 times and by luck I am up say 100 units...now the people who are against hit and run
are saying I should continue playing on???
Maybe I will go up another 100 units??? I think that is a fallacy.

Lets set something straight...anytime you are up...f.ucken run

I totally agree, if you have a sessions such as you described, and you are happy with the profit you have gained, why play on and risk losing it all?  If someone told me they was up 100 units after a few spins (I'm amusing we are talking about inside numbers here), then they played on and end up with lets say a -100 unit or more loss, I may not say it to their face but I will be thinking "serves you right, for being too greedy"


When I first started out I was one of those Greedy players, that had a good profit, but played on and ended up losing that profit and a lot more.


Now when I play I always know my stop-loss and ideal stop-win.


Dose this style of play make me a Hit & Run player?


I don't know and quite frankly I don't care, it works for me and that at the end of the day is all that counts.

[Bayes]

Kevin, why,  they ARE giving a solution

bet against deviation with progression. Other words if u see red hitting certain number of times within certain number of spins -- bet black.

Then they label hit-n-run as fallacy.
Though classical gambler's fallacy is exactly what they propose )))

iggiv,

That's a misrepresentation of strategies that members such as Ego, Albertojonas and others (including me) recommend. For one thing, we don't advise that you start when you see a deviation, only when you see a "correction" after a deviation. It's not like betting black with a martingale after you see 10 reds in a row, and you don't continue to pile losses on losses while there is no signal for correction, so something like one deviation followed by another won't hurt you. The concept isn't gambler's fallacy, it's regression to the mean.

Not only that, but "quitting when ahead" isn't the same as the HAR that JL recommends, as Rob pointed out.

And I don't hate HAR, I just know that it doesn't work. 

[iggiv]

Bayes, it was NOT ABOUT YOU, EGO OR AJ.

there was something else some other people have said.

I know that u guys are talking serious stuff

[fatesburden1]

hey JL, not sure if youre still posting on here or not, but ive been using your 'PATTERN 4' method for about a month now. I use it exactly like u explained it originally & its been working great for me, with the exeption that i play over 100 a day sometimes, ive played a little over 1200 games altogether & my overall strikerate is 14/1. I use 4 different level progressions to recover losses so i always stay ahead & it hasnt failed me yet. I still cant believe it but it seems to be the freakin holy grail of roulette lol. just wondering if u are still using PATTERN 4 how u created it originally & if u ever started making some real $ in the casinos. I just returned from atlantic city & did really well betting small & im making a trip to vegas first of year intending to really
make some big profit. Just would be curious to hear how ur playing the game these days & how its going.

& btw thanks for the great method! lol

Jay

[iggiv]

How do you know that "pros" play with pennies?  And what solution would you like to get here?  HAR discussion originated with JL approach.  According to him each of his  methods played HAR produced Better results. If you up after the first 10 spins and you quit that's not an essence of HAR.
Look deeper into this forum to better understand what you really argue with.

for me hit-n-run are the shortest sessions possible, exactly after u up certain amount u quit, or when u lost a certain amount u quit too, then u skip certain amount of spins before u come back to the same wheel.

that's what hit-n-run is for me. I don't know what u "anti-HAR" guys mean and basically i am not very interested in all those tricky definitions and long exausting arguments.

HAR is a style of most pro "system" players out there. Period. So far no holy grail has ever been found, so HAR is basically reflection of understanding that roulette is always a negative expectaction game. So what Kevin said about it is about HAR too.

when u say that HAR is fallacy it is like saying that there are certain methods methods which will bring u unlimited winnings on long runs. There are methods like this (AP), but not with mechanical systems.

[Robeenhuut]

hey JL, not sure if youre still posting on here or not, but I've been using your 'PATTERN 4' method for about a month now. I use it exactly like u explained it originally & its been working great for me, with the exception that i play over 100 a day sometimes, I've played a little over 1200 games altogether & my overall strikerate is 14/1. I use 4 different level progressions to recover losses so i always stay ahead & it hasn't failed me yet. I still can't believe it but it seems to be the freakin holy grail of roulette LoL. just wondering if You are still using PATTERN 4 how u created it originally & if u ever started making some real $ in the casinos. I just returned from atlantic city & did really well betting small & I'm making a trip to vegas first of year intending to really
make some big profit. Just would be curious to hear how your playing the game these days & how its going.

& by the way thanks for the great method! LoL

Jay

I think that if you have been using John method that you know how he has been doing.  And you don't play Pattern 4 the way he advised 

Jay  your post just feels like a postmortem tribute here.

[Turner]

hey JL, not sure if youre still posting on here or not, but I've been using your 'PATTERN 4' method for about a month now. I use it exactly like u explained it originally & its been working great for me, with the exception that i play over 100 a day sometimes, I've played a little over 1200 games altogether & my overall strikerate is 14/1. I use 4 different level progressions to recover losses so i always stay ahead & it hasn't failed me yet. I still can't believe it but it seems to be the freakin holy grail of roulette LoL. just wondering if You are still using PATTERN 4 how u created it originally & if u ever started making some real $ in the casinos. I just returned from atlantic city & did really well betting small & I'm making a trip to vegas first of year intending to really
make some big profit. Just would be curious to hear how your playing the game these days & how its going.

& by the way thanks for the great method! LoL

Jay

J..... I mean Jay
That got approved quick

[vundarosa]

J..... I mean Jay
That got approved quick

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  do you really think so?

vundarosa

[Turner]

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  do you really think so?

vundarosa

or some acolyte to the Church of Legend

[TwoCatSam]

Church of Legend

That's pretty good!!  I guess I'm in that church, but on the back pew sorta slinked down where no one will notice me.

Samster

[ludo8400]

@ fatesburden1 I use 4 different level progressions to recover losses so i always stay ahead & it hasn't failed me yet.

Can you give us some information about this 4  different  level progressions?

ludo8400

[fatesburden1]

my progressions are...

Level 1 - 10,20,40
Level 2 - 30,60,120
Level 3 - 120, 240, 480
Level 4 - 250,500,1000.

but like i said, ive only played about 1200 & for small profit. what ab you guys?? would be curious to hear how you guys are playing roulette & how youre doing??

[Still]

Still

Just read my posts where i questioned JL stats and posted some statistical data to back up my claims. If you have a problem with a verification ask somebody who you consider an authority on this subject.

Regards

I would consider you to be an authority on what you've posted.  So, show me where you have posted anything like Gizmo has posted in regards to anything JL has proposed.   


Regards.

[Robeenhuut]

I would consider you to be an authority on what you've posted.  So, show me where you have posted anything like Gizmo has posted in regards to anything JL has proposed.   


Regards.

Still

There is no point. John posted lots of stats that support his methods. If you believe them and that HAR makes sense all his methods seem to be winners. So just go ahead and play them instead of engaging in pointless debates. And I'm an authority for you now?  This is leading nowhere.

Regards