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wolfat · Apr 18, 11:16 AM 2012

Tx Atlantis.
which version you recommend?

albertojonas · Apr 18, 12:38 PM 2012

last one is cool

atlantis · Jun 27, 10:04 AM 2012

Trying a different way:

Record H/L results in MATRIX 5

After 2 consecutive matching vertical doubles; play for non-match using 0.5 increments until win. After any win reduce the stake by 0.5 for next bet.

Reduce stake to 0.5 when level or new high in bankroll...

Always stop at a winner on a line

You only continue betting on to next line if a losing bet was struck on the preceding line --- in other words carry on betting on to next line - until win.

You can only start betting after a double match on the current line (unless the 2 consecutive matches are on columns 4 and 5 in which case no bet)

L L H H H
H L H H L --- L0.5; w1 +0.5
H L L L H--- w0.5 +1
H L L H L-----L0.5; w1 +1.5
L L H L L---- nb
L L H L L-----L0.5, L1, L1.5 -1.5
H H L L L-----w2 +0.5
L L L L H------w0.5 +1
H H H H H----nb
H L H L L-----nb
L H H H L-----nb
H H L L H-----nb
L H 0 L L------nb
L L L H L------nb
H L L L H------w0.5 +1.5
L L 0 H L------nb
H H L L L------nb
H L L L L------L0.5 +1
L H H L H-----w1 +2
H L L H H-----nb
H H H H H----nb
H L H H L------w0.5 +2.5
L L L H H------nb
H H H H H-----nb
L L H H L------w0.5 +3
H L H L L------w0.5 +3.5
L L 0 H L------nb
H H L H L-----nb
L H H H L-----nb
0 L L L L------nb
L L L L L------L0.5; L1 +2
H H L H H----w1.5 +3.5

H H L H H
L L H 0 H----nb
L L L L L-----w0.5 +0.5
H H H L L----nb
L L L L H-----nb
H L L L H-----L0.5; L1
H 0 L H H-----L1.5; L2; L2.5; w3 -2.5
L L H L H-----nb
L L L H H-----w2.5 +0
L H L L H-----nb
0 H L H L-----w2 +2
L L H L H-----nb
H L L H L-----nb
H L L L L-----L0.5, w1 +2.5
H H H L H----nb
H H L L H-----w0.5 +3
H L L H L-----nb
0 H H H L-----nb
L L L L H------nb

H H H L 0
H H L H H---w0.5 +0.5
L L H H H ---nb
H L H L L ---nb
L H L L L ---nb
H H H L L --nb
L L H L L ---L0.5 +0
L L L L H ---L1; L1.5; w2 -0.5
H H L H L ---nb
L L H H H ---nb
L H H L L---nb
H L H H H---nb
H L H L L ---L1.5; w2 +0
L H L L L ---nb
H L L H L ---nb
H H L H L ---L0.5 -0.5
L L H H H ---w1 +0.5
H H L H H ---nb
L L L H H ---L0.5 +0
L L H H H ---L1; L1.5; w2 -0.5
L H L H H ---nb
L H L L L ---L1.5; w2 +0
L L 0 H H ---nb
L H L H H ---nb
H H L L H ---w0.5 +0.5
L H L L H ---L0.5; L1 -1
H L L L L ---w1.5 +0.5
L H L L L ---L0.5 +0
L H L H L ---L1; L1.5; w2 -0.5
H H H L H --nb
L H H L H ---L1.5; L2 -4
L L L L L ---L2.5; w3 -3.5
H L L H H---w2.5 -1
H L H L H---w2 +1

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*edited

Johnlegend · Jun 27, 10:39 AM 2012

HI Atlantis these ideas are all superb. Recently ive been re~exploring their value within the 3 wide matrix I use for Pattern Breaker. Typically betting against a vertical quad becoming a 5. Across all three even chances 120 spins~40 cycles delivers an average of 12 quads. And nearly always less than 12 that go to 5 or more. Which means most sessions will show a profit flat betting. typical split 12/9 Thats why I like Quads less go beyond them.

atlantis · Jun 27, 11:39 AM 2012

Quick session on Wiesbaden Table #2 yesterday 26 Jun 2012

L H H L H
H L H H L
L L H L H------w0.5 +0.5
L L L L L ------w0.5 +1
H L H H H
H L L L H------w0.5 +1.5
L L L H H------w0.5 +2
L H 0 L L
L H L H H------w0.5 +2.5
L H L L x-------L0.5; w1 +3

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atlantis · Jun 27, 11:48 AM 2012

Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 27, 10:39 AM 2012
HI Atlantis these ideas are all superb. Recently I've been re~exploring their value within the 3 wide matrix I use for Pattern Breaker. Typically betting against a vertical quad becoming a 5. Across all three even chances 120 spins~40 cycles delivers an average of 12 quads. And nearly always less than 12 that go to 5 or more. Which means most sessions will show a profit flat betting. typical split 12/9 that's why I like Quads less go beyond them.

Hi JL,
I'm looking forward to these revelations of a revised matrix system you mentioned. I suppose it won't be till after the JL Challenge is complete now though?
A.

atlantis · Jun 27, 02:34 PM 2012

Same as previous session except without the matching triggers rule.
Just betting against vertical doubles. Same progression. If level or plus after a line - reset to 0.5 else continue at current stake + 0.5

L H H L H
H L H H L----w0.5, w0.5, L0.5, w1, w0.5 = +2
L L H L H-----w0.5, L0.5, L1, w1.5, w1 = +3.5
L L L L L -----L0.5, L1, w1.5, L1, w1.5 = +4
H L H H H----w0.5, L1, w1.5, w1, w0.5 = +6.5
H L L L H-----L0.5, L1, w1.5, w1, L0.5 = +7
L L L H H-----w0.5, L0.5, L1, w1.5, L1 = +6.5
L H 0 L L------L1.5, w2, L1.5, w2, w1.5 = +9
L H L H H-----L0.5, L1, nb(0), w1.5, w1 = +10
L H L L x----- L0.5, L1, L1.5, w2, stop = +9

More bets and profit higher played this way on this example.

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Johnlegend · Jun 27, 02:45 PM 2012

Quote from: atlantis on Jun 27, 11:48 AM 2012
Hi JL,
I'm looking forward to these revelations of a revised matrix system you mentioned. I suppose it won't be till after the JL Challenge is complete now though?
A.

Hi Atlantis, actually it will be during the challenge until I double the BR to 400 units I will be using only even money methods. so QUAD 120 will definately be in there. I played a session today and had a nice 11/6 split which resulted in 5 units profit. If I get off to a flying start though and win the first three bets in a session. LOCKDOWN rule kicks in. As that is the average profit margin. This may end up being the closest thing to a true even money grail.

Out of every ten sessions you play you can expect to win around 7 lose 1 or 2 and break even on 1. But overall random can't defeat this one its just too natural. Again its a percentage game. those QUADS dominate the frame the vast majority of the time. And the beauty of Even money bets is you only need to lay 1 to win 1. Watch it in action soon. Bayes tried to send the file for the RNG to my email but it hasn't worked. I think he will have to upload it to the repository on here. So when he does the challenge shall commence...

atlantis · Jun 27, 03:14 PM 2012

Quick 30 spin session now at Ladbrokes Live auto-roulette (low limit wheel)

H L H L L - record first line
L H L L L - w0.5, w0.5, w0.5, L0.5, L1 = +0
H L L H L - w0.5, w0.5, L0.5, w1, L0.5 = +1
H L L L H - L0.5, L1, L1.5, w2, w1.5 = +1.5
L H H H L - w0.5, w0.5, w0.5, w0.5, w0.5 = +4
H L H H H - w0.5, w0.5, L0.5, L1, w1.5 = +5

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atlantis · Jun 27, 03:22 PM 2012

JohnLegend wrote:

Quote
Out of every ten sessions you play you can expect to win around 7 lose 1 or 2 and break even on 1. But overall random can't defeat this one its just too natural. Again its a percentage game. those QUADS dominate the frame the vast majority of the time. And the beauty of Even money bets is you only need to lay 1 to win 1. Watch it in action soon.

Sounds brilliant, mate. Great news. Exciting times ahead for all and a fascinating challenge too!
It's like the olympics are here already!!!!

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Johnlegend · Jun 27, 04:46 PM 2012

Quote from: atlantis on Jun 27, 03:22 PM 2012
JohnLegend wrote:
Sounds brilliant, mate. Great news. Exciting times ahead for all and a fascinating challenge too!
It's like the olympics are here already!!!!
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Yes and Im going for gold. I should have my first session played by tomorrow. I await Bayes return so he can get the RNG sofware in the repository.

atlantis · Jun 28, 06:22 AM 2012

3 tests today on current Wiesbaden numbers for 27 June 2012.
Continuous play as previous examples:

Table#2 = +4 in 15 spins (highest bet=1)
Table#4 = +4.5 in 60 spins (highest bet=5.5)
Table#7 = +5.5 in 15 spins (highest bet=3)

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buffalowizard · Jun 28, 06:35 AM 2012

I'm going to test this one A,
Well done mate it has a nice simple elegance to it and the progression is safe enough to not get too deep in a hole

BW

atlantis · Jun 28, 06:43 AM 2012

Quote from: atlantis on Jun 27, 10:04 AM 2012
H H H L 0
H H L H H---w0.5 +0.5
L L H H H ---nb
H L H L L ---nb
L H L L L ---nb
H H H L L --nb
L L H L L ---L0.5 +0
L L L L H ---L1; L1.5; w2 -0.5
H H L H L ---nb
L L H H H ---nb
L H H L L---nb
H L H H H---nb
H L H L L ---L1.5; w2 +0
L H L L L ---nb
H L L H L ---nb
H H L H L ---L0.5 -0.5
L L H H H ---w1 +0.5
H H L H H ---nb
L L L H H ---L0.5 +0
L L H H H ---L1; L1.5; w2 -0.5
L H L H H ---nb
L H L L L ---L1.5; w2 +0
L L 0 H H ---nb
L H L H H ---nb
H H L L H ---w0.5 +0.5
L H L L H ---L0.5; L1 -1
H L L L L ---w1.5 +0.5
L H L L L ---L0.5 +0
L H L H L ---L1; L1.5; w2 -0.5
H H H L H --nb
L H H L H ---L1.5; L2 -4
L L L L L ---L2.5; w3 -3.5
H L L H H---w2.5 -1
H L H L H---w2 +1

Same session replayed with FLATBETTING @ 0.5u (betting continuous without dual match trigger)

H H H L 0
H H L H H---llwwl -0.5
L L H H H ---:ll +0
H L H L L ---wwlww +1.5
L H L L L ---:ll +2
H H H L L --wlwll +1.5
L L H L L ---wwlll +1
L L L L H ---llwlw +0.5
H H L H L ---wwlww +2
L L H H H ---:lw +3.5
L H H L L---lwlww +4
H L H H H---wwlww +5.5
H L H L L ---lllww +5
L H L L L ---:ll +5.5
H L L H L ---wwlwl +6
H H L H L ---lwlll +4.5
L L H H H ---:lw +6
H H L H H ---:ll +6.5
L L L H H ---wwlll +6
L L H H H ---llwll +4.5
L H L H H ---lwwll +4
L H L L L ---lllww +3.5
L L 0 H H ---lwlww +4
L H L H H ---lwxll +3
H H L L H ---wllwl +2.5
L H L L H ---wllll +1
H L L L L ---wwllw +1.5
L H L L L ---wwlll +1
L H L H L ---lllwl -0.5
H H H L H --wl: +1
L H H L H ---wllll -0.5
L L L L L ---lwwlw +0
H L L H H---wllww +0.5
H L H L H---llwwl +0

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soggett · Jun 28, 06:50 AM 2012

Atlantis I have tested this against 284 bacarat B/P decisions
I used 1 instead of 0,5 so it would be easier to calculate so you just cut everything in half and you have with 0,5
total end: 97
highest bet: 8
worst line: -14 (i had 3 lines go negative in a row so thats why)
I had 3 lines in a row go negative as the worst, and 5 positive in a row as the best
hope it helps you a bit
I tested on bacarat decisions because i think it would be better played there cause of the no zero
I ignored the banker commision of 5% for easier calculating

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