Profit Trickler

[Robeenhuut]

How many methods did we have recently trying 2 capitalize on  Dz or Cl betting?
It usually starts with some reheated scheme like sorry last BW  method. 1,2 (2 different Dz hit) hit than u bet against 3rd Dz  hit 2 times with 1,3 Marty. Come on.... How many times do u see  1,2,3,3  sequence or 1,3,2,2  sequence?  Some members report strike ratio of 13/0 or similar and everybody gets excited n suddenly somebody reports few big losing sessions n a method gets forgotten. Some members of this forum try 2 tweak it but it is a losing proposition.There is no remedy 4 flawed concept. No fancy progression is going 2 save it. Best case scenario is 2 delay an inevitable loss. ' Just my observation.  Some members thought that recently this forum was flooded  with some very promising methods.... Where r they?  I always take quality over quantity n this forum should not be a popularity contest 

[buffalowizard]

Sorry for the sub standard systems robby! Hopefully some people like 'em though or take something from them. Ultimately however we try to dress it up, original or not, we're trying to fit square pegs in round holes

[Robeenhuut]

Sorry for the sub standard systems robby! Hopefully some people like 'em though or take something from them. Ultimately however we try to dress it up, original or not, we're trying to fit square pegs in round holes

Do not be BW. Sorry i quoted yr method  It was just one of last ones posted.  And i do not put down any method just 4 sake of it. Generally very skeptical about anything involving any progression.

[Johnlegend]

HHHHH
LLLLH    w0.5, w0.5, w0.5, w0.5, L0.5       = +1.5  (ahead at end of line so reduce to 0.5)
HLHLH   w0.5, L0.5, w1, L0.5, L1             =  +1    (behind at end of line so increase to 1.5)
LHHLL   w1.5, w1, L0.5, L1, w1.5             =  +3.5 (ahead at end of line so reduce to 0.5)
LHHHL   L0.5, L1, L1.5, w2, L1.5              =  +1    (behind at end of line so increase to 2)
LHHHL   L2, L2.5, L3, L3.5, L4                 =   -14   (behind at end of line so increase to 4.5)
LHLHL   L4.5, L5, w5.5, L5, L5.5              =  -28.5  (behind at end of line so increase to 5.5)
HLLHL   w6, w5.5, w5, L4.5, L5                =  -21.5  (behind at end of line so increase to 5.5)

Flatbetting:

HHHHH
LLLLH    :wl            = +1.5
HLHLH   wlwll               = +1
LHHLL.   wwllw             = +1.5
LHHHL.   lllwl               = +0
LHHHL.   lllll                 = -2.5
LHLHL.   llwll                = -4
HLLHL.   wwlll              = -4.5

A.

Hi Atlantis, have played my first session on Bayes RNG. Finished with a balance of 205 units. So thats 5 for the session. Using Pattern 7 and Pattern Breaker. Problem with saving results though. And I am not sure Bayes got a copy sent to his email. Luckily the RNG saves your current balance just not the way you got there.

[atlantis]

Hi Atlantis, have played my first session on Bayes RNG. Finished with a balance of 205 units. So that's 5 for the session. Using Pattern 7 and Pattern Breaker. Problem with saving results though. And I am not sure Bayes got a copy sent to his email. Luckily the RNG saves your current balance just not the way you got there.

Hello John,
Good start. Now that it has started for real perhaps it would be best for all if you or Bayes could start a new unique thread showing the verified daily results of the challenge so everybody can be kept up to date and comment etc..
Regards,
Atlantis.

[atlantis]

Just converting some previous results into the latest testing criteria (betting against triples) set down earlier...

L L H H H
H L H H L ---trigger
H L L L H--- L0.5; w1                                       +0.5
H L L H L----nb; trigger
L L H L L---- w0.5                                             +1
L L H L L-----nb; trigger
H H L L L-----w0.5                                            +1.5     
L L L L H-----nb
H H H H H----nb
H L H L L-----nb
L H H H L-----nb
H H L L H---- nb
L H 0 L L------nb
L L L H L------nb
H L L L H------nb
L L 0 H L------nb
H H L L L------nb
H L L L L------nb; trigger
L H H L H-----w0.5                                             +2
H L L H H-----nb
H H H H H----nb; trigger
H L H H L-----L0.5; L1, w1.5; trigger                    +2
L L L H H------w0.5                                            +2.5
H H H H H-----nb
L L H H L------nb
H L H L L------nb; trigger
L L 0 H L------L0.5, L1, L1.5                                -0.5     
H H L H L-----nb
L H H H L-----nb; trigger
0 L L L L------w2                                                +1.5
L L L L L------nb; trigger
H H L H H----w1.5                                              +3


H H L H H
L L H 0 H----nb
L L L L L-----nb
H H H L L----nb
L L L L H-----nb
H L L L H-----nb; trigger
H 0 L H H-----L0.5, L1, w1.5; trigger                      +0
L L H L H-----w0.5                                               +0.5
L L L H H-----nb; trigger
L H L L H-----L0.5, w1; trigger                               +1
0 H L H L-----L0.5, L1; w1.5                                  +1
L L H L H-----nb
H L L H L-----nb
H L L L L-----nb; trigger
H H H L H---L0.5, w1                                           +1.5
H H L L H----nb; trigger
H L L H L----L0.5, w1                                            +2
0 H H H L----nb
L L L L H-----nb

Yes it is s-l-o-w and I guess I could have used whole units... I've got a good gut feeling about this latest way though (surely a bad sign) and I'd dearly love to play this for real ££'s very soon - I'm genuinely and seriously hoping that this might bring small but steady trickle of profits to help build up and amass a reasonably healthy balance over time...
But more importantly further testing is required to be done first.

A.

[Robeenhuut]

Hi Atlantis, actually it will be during the challenge until I double the BR to 400 units I will be using only even money methods. so QUAD 120 will definately be in there. I played a session today and had a nice 11/6 split which resulted in 5 units profit. If I get off to a flying start though and win the first three bets in a session. LOCKDOWN rule kicks in. As that is the average profit margin. This may end up being the closest thing to a true even money grail.

Out of every ten sessions you play you can expect to win around 7 lose 1 or 2 and break even on 1. But overall random can't defeat this one its just too natural. Again its a percentage game. those QUADS dominate the frame the vast majority of the time. And the beauty of Even money bets is you only need to lay 1 to win 1. Watch it in action soon. Bayes tried to send the file for the RNG to my email but it hasn't worked. I think he will have to upload it to the repository on here. So when he does the challenge shall commence...

What is QUAD 120  John?  I guess its first time u used flat betting on EC's?  What about CODE 20?

[atlantis]

I did a larger spin test with data from random.org. See attached.
I need to figure out more stuff on this - like for instance what is max number of vert triples that can occur in a row in a 5 wide matrix...  so may be future refinements... maybe only betting against UNIQUE triples is an idea..
A.

[donik7777]

Atlantis, you're really right about what the results of tests made ​​John on Bayes RNG  would be nice to see us, too.

[Johnlegend]

OK. Thanks soggett,
Of course we have BV NoZero with even smaller stakes; but that is r.n.g. and I would rather play on live dealer or live autospin with real numbers...
It's just I like playing with lower stake values so I might play this with £100-£200 bankroll hit-n-run hopefully with a lockstop of +3 or +4 per session. The last way I posted is not too dissimilar to JL's "Code20" but with 5-step High/Low matrix instead. Possibly played over his "frames" idea and flatbetting it might also be worth trying out... Perhaps a stop betting rule if a string of L's occur until a virtual win happens before restart? (6 L's in a row?)
Thanks BuffaloWizard for any testing results and findings.

A.

Something I've been testing Atlantis with excellent results so far is this. You track High and Low spins until you have the following example HH(H)LLL(H)LHHH You now place in a four wide matrix like this.
H/L/L/L
H/-------And bet using the classic 1,2,4 prog that the next three spins don't match the line above. This is a random one shot idea. You don't continually bet against line after line under each other. Just randomly enter the cycle find the above example and play your game then shut it down. I've done this 40 times so far and only lost once.

[atlantis]

Hi Atlantis, actually it will be during the challenge until I double the BR to 400 units I will be using only even money methods. so QUAD 120 will definately be in there. I played a session today and had a nice 11/6 split which resulted in 5 units profit. If I get off to a flying start though and win the first three bets in a session. LOCKDOWN rule kicks in. As that is the average profit margin. This may end up being the closest thing to a true even money grail.

Out of every ten sessions you play you can expect to win around 7 lose 1 or 2 and break even on 1. But overall random can't defeat this one its just too natural. Again its a percentage game. those QUADS dominate the frame the vast majority of the time. And the beauty of Even money bets is you only need to lay 1 to win 1.

Very interesting idea, JL.
I tried it myself with 3 wide and 4 wide grids playing for trips not to become quads over 120 spins and got some results which bear out your stats... Of course I'm not 100% sure how you're exactly playing but my best result was 8 wins, a loss and a draw. My best result was 10/6 (profit of 4)
A.

[atlantis]

Profit Trickler Plus (Flatbet)
===============
Latest REVISED version of this method by Atlantis.

(A) Always look at last 2 lines of results formed. (2 lines x 5 results of H and L)
If there are 3 OR MORE matching vertical repeats present somewhere on the last 2 lines then proceed to flatbet against a REPEAT EC forming from the start of the very next line.

(B) If there are not 3 OR MORE matching vertical repeats in the last 2 lines only then record another complete line of 5 results under the current line and return to (A)

(C) Stop at ANY winner on the line.

(D) Stop betting after THREE CONSECUTIVE losses in a row on a line until a virtual win (vertical non-repeat EC) is noted,  after which re-commence betting after usual trigger (A).

(E) The ZERO is not recorded in the grid.

EXAMPLE
========

H L H H H
H L H L L           3 vertical repeats (cols 1,2 and 3) = start bet on next line
H L L L H             LLW                          -1
H H L H L             LW                            -1
L H H L H
H H H H L
H H H L H
L H H H L             W                             +0
L H L H L
H L L L L              W                             +1
L H L L L
H L L L L              W                             +2
H H L L H             LW                           +2
L H L H L              W                            +3
L L L L L
H H L H H             W                            +4
L L H H H
H L H L L
L H L L L
H H L L H
H L L L H              LW                          +4
L H H H L              W                            +5
H H H H H
L H H L H              W                            +6
H L H H H              W                            +7
L H H L L
L L L H H
L H H L H
H L L H L
H L H H L
L L H H H              W                             +8
L L L H H               LLW                        +7
L H L H H              LW                           +7
H H L H L               W                             +8
L L L L H                W                            +9
H H L H L
L H H H H
L L L L H
L L L L L
L L H H H               LLW                        +8
L L H H L
H H L L L                 W                           +9
H L H L H
L L L H L
L L L L L
L L H H H               LLW                         +8
H L H H H
H H L H H                LW                         +8
L H L L L                  W                          +9
H L H L H
H H L H H
L L H H L
H L H L L
H H H H L               LW                          +9
L H H H L                W                          +10
L L L L L                 LW                          +10
H H H L H
L H L L L
H H H H L
H L L H H
H H H H L
H H H H L
L  L H H L               W                          +11
L H L H L                LW                         +11
H L L L H                 W                          +12
H L L L H
L L H L L                 W                          +13
L L H H H
L H H L H                LW                         +13
H =STOP=               W                           +14

A.

[atlantis]

Trying to improve...

PROFIT TRICKLER PLUS: SESSION#1
=======================

NEW RULE:
IF <3 VERTICAL REPEATS ON A LINE BET FOR A REPEAT ON NEXT LINE
IF 3 OR MORE VERTICAL REPEATS ON A LINE BET AGAINST A REPEAT ON NEXT LINE
USE 1-1-2 STOP. PROGRESSION
MAX BET PER LINE = 3
STOP AT A WIN OR 3L's.


Well why not? It seems as good an idea and makes sense. You get more action this way and can reach target quicker (suggest +5)

Start by recording 2 lines of 5 results H/L

H/L RESULTS         W/L         +/-
========         ===       ===
H H L H H
H H L H L                                           3 vertical repeats so bet AGAINST vert. repeat 
L L L L L                  W            +1     <3 so now bet FOR vert. repeat
L L H L L                  W            +2     
L L L H L                  LLW        +2       
H L H L L                  W           +3
H H H L L                  LW         +3
L H L L H                  LLW        +3
L L H L H                  LW          +3
H L L L H                   W           +4
L L H H L                   W           +5
H L H L L                   LW         +5
L L H L L                   W          +6
L H L H L                   LW         +6
L H L H H                   W          +7
L L L H H                   LW         +7
H H H H H                  W           +8
L H L H H                   W          +9
L H H H H                  LLW       +9
L H L H L                   LLW       +9
L H H L L                   LLW       +9
H L L L H                   W           +10
H H H L H                  W           +11
L H H H L                   W           +12
L H H L H                   W           +13
L L L L L                    LW         +13
L L H L H                   W           +14
L L H H H                   LLL        +10* (3L)
L H L L L                    LW         +10
H L H H L                   LLL         +6*  (3L)
H H H H H                  W            +7                 
H L L H H                   LW          +7
L H L L H                   W            +8
H H H H H                  LW          +8

Stopped here.

A.

[RouletteGhost]

Damn atlantis

That looks good

[NextYear]

Wonder how GLC never come in on this one...

Glad that you decided to revive some of your old works.
There were lot of thinking involved in designing this.

Thank you Atlantis!