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bleep24 · Feb 25, 07:32 AM 2017

Hi Atlantis,

Good posts from you. Thanks. (it`s nice to be nice - other members should take note. We do not win/gain anything by being nasty)

I agree with your recent comment and I also only look for 1 win/loss on one row and whatever happens move on to next row. We all know about RFH`s lurking not too far away and I for one do not want to meet one.

Little and often catchee monkey.

Brian

mogul397 · Feb 25, 08:20 AM 2017

Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 25, 02:23 AM 2017
Hi Mogul,
Have you found something at last that you like!!!!!

I have been playing a session every day with this. (Forty or so spins) Have won every one. Average win 4/5 units. I am NOT using one E/C. Using matrix in lines of 6. H/L - O/E - H/L - O/E - H/L - O/E

Most series you do win on first. I am only doing wait for 2 and bet opposite (vertically) +1/-1 Hardly gets out of starting gate betting 1 unit

There are a few variations in this thread and when I get more time I will have a go with them.

Good luck, Brian

It would appear so. And I am a little stunned. I do get stunned when
something tends to keep working. I remember over time thinking about
a method and saying "when I've won 3x with it, then I will dig my heels in
and call it a winner". The 1 unit every 10 spins is acceptable. Although
I would wonder and expect that on each EC. 15 units from 50 spins
would be awesome.

Not sure I understand

"Most series you do win on first. I am only doing wait for 2 and bet opposite (vertically) +1/-1 Hardly gets out of starting gate betting 1 unit"

mogul397 · Feb 25, 08:22 AM 2017

Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 25, 02:23 AM 2017Using matrix in lines of 6. H/L - O/E - H/L - O/E - H/L - O/E

Also, What is this? Duplication? There are 3 ECs.

Using matrix in lines of 6. H/L - O/E - H/L - O/E - H/L - O/E

mogul397 · Feb 25, 08:25 AM 2017

Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 25, 03:15 AM 2017
Hi Mogul,

Were you `doing` bet opposite/or same if 2. If lost next time round (and still needing this bet for a win) bet opposite to the 3? Are you using a 6 matrix? I am using a 6 and only betting after 2`s to be different. (Less betting opps. but I think that I will have to change that)

I have checked a couple of my results and they do come out winners but just using one EC is not as stable, but still winning.

Each to their own (with tweaks, bells and knobs on) This system certainly has a lot going for it.
Calls for a couple (or two) bottles of `Newkey Broon Ale`

Cheers, Brian

I am doing what is says in reply # 56.

If the last 5 have >=3 match I bet opposite.
If the last 5 have >=3 different I bet for the same.

Only testing one EC at a time now. Not sure where you
come up with 6? There are 3.

mogul397 · Feb 25, 08:30 AM 2017

Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 25, 04:14 AM 2017
It may be a $1 betting unit, but when you lose a double dozen or double column 1 3 9 27 progression sequence, you are down $80.

Yes, $80 may not be a lot of money, but the problem is that in order to recover those $80, you will have to win 80 series (at any stage of a 1 3 9 27 progression).

Remember, at whichever stage you win, you are just making $1.

Therein lies the problem: if you lose even one such 1 3 9 27 sequence (total loss = 80 units), it will take you 80 series to recover that amount.

You cannot trivialize the above problem, even if your betting unit is only $1.

Well said. And it is the overall result that is important.
If it makes it feel better to jump off a small cliff, then that's fine.
But usually the lower level testing is to prove making actual money.

bleep24 · Feb 25, 10:18 AM 2017

Hi Mogul,

Yes there are 3 EC`s and you could play them separately but will this be more risky?

What I am doing is rows of 6. What I mean by H/L - O/E is:

23 6 13 29 12 1 that equate to me as: H E L O L O

You could use O/E - R/B etc. what I am doing is mixing up to give more variance and less chance of chains of same.

Brian

atlantis · Feb 25, 01:22 PM 2017

My last session result.
Playing as in Reply #57 using 2 EC and +1/-1

+6 in 22 spins

Profit Trickler Plus Session #13
=====================

HIGH/LOW RED/BLACK R/Tot
======= ======== ====

HLHHH BBRRR
HLHHL Bet Opp RRRRB Bet Same
LHHLH w1 Bet Same RBRBB w1 Bet Opp +2
HHLLL L1-w2 Bet Same BRBBB w1 Bet Same +4
LH=== L1-w2 RR=== L1-w2 +6 ** STOP**
=======================

A.

mogul397 · Feb 25, 02:52 PM 2017

Great job and great documentation Atlantis.

Are you just doing the +/-1 now?

I see you tried just two EC's. Pretty good!!!!!
I'm leaving now for a quickie.
I'll report when I get back.

atlantis · Feb 25, 04:15 PM 2017

Quote from: mogul397 on Feb 25, 02:52 PM 2017Are you just doing the +/-1 now?

Hi mogul,

Yes. I've tried it for last 6 winning games now....

Another thing I do is that whenever I get level or into profit from the EC's is to reset both the stakes to 1u.

Session #14
========
HHHHH BRRRB
HLHLL Bet same RBBBR Bet same
LLLLL L1-w2 Bet Opp BRBBR L1-L2-w3 Bet Opp +1
LLHHL L1-L2-w3 Bet Opp BRRBR L1-L2-w3 Bet Opp +1
HHLHL w1 Bet same RBRBB w1 Bet same +3
H==== w1 R==== w1 +5 **STOP**

+5 in 26 spins.

This is not ideal example - but you can see that after wins at 3u in Round one and Round Two the overall bank stood at +1u (new high or level high) so instead of playing 2u on the next round I reset both sides to the default of 1u.
However, had the bank balance been less than +1 (for example if one side had lost again) then would have continued into round 3 with 2u on the winning side and 4u on the losing side in accordance with the +1/-1.

A.

mogul397 · Feb 25, 06:08 PM 2017

I just got back. It went OK. I hit some rough spots. O/E hit 2 losing lines
in a row about the time I stopped tracking.

I tracked all 3 EC's separate. That was challenging, timewise. I wasn't
betting, but it was the first time I sat live and tried to train myself on this
method.

Also, I'm a bit unclear how I should manage bets.

mogul397 · Feb 25, 06:11 PM 2017

Actually odd/even seemed to be the most trouble

mogul397 · Feb 25, 06:19 PM 2017

Here are my session notes. First time I tried.

S or O to the left indicates what I was looking for and the actual numbers
are in the vertical columbs.

How did we decide the progression should go?

DoctorSudoku · Feb 25, 10:42 PM 2017

Quote from: atlantis on Feb 25, 04:15 PM 2017
Hi mogul,

Yes. I've tried it for last 6 winning games now....

Another thing I do is that whenever I get level or into profit from the EC's is to reset both the stakes to 1u.

Session #14
========
HHHHH BRRRB
HLHLL Bet same RBBBR Bet same
LLLLL L1-w2 Bet Opp BRBBR L1-L2-w3 Bet Opp +1
LLHHL L1-L2-w3 Bet Opp BRRBR L1-L2-w3 Bet Opp +1
HHLHL w1 Bet same RBRBB w1 Bet same +3
H==== w1 R==== w1 +5 **STOP**

+5 in 26 spins.

This is not ideal example - but you can see that after wins at 3u in Round one and Round Two the overall bank stood at +1u (new high or level high) so instead of playing 2u on the next round I reset both sides to the default of 1u.
However, had the bank balance been less than +1 (for example if one side had lost again) then would have continued into round 3 with 2u on the winning side and 4u on the losing side in accordance with the +1/-1.

A.

Brian and you both play in the UK where you guys have the benefit of the la partage rule. My question is how are you guys incorporating the effects of the la partage rule into your calculations?

So let's say you had bet 1 unit on, say, red and the zero shows up.

You will get back .5 unit. Assuming you guys are playing the +1/-1 d'Alembert progression, the next bet should be 2 units -- are you adding 1.5 units to the .5 unit to make it 2 units or are you getting the 2 units from your original bankroll?

If you guys are doing the latter, how are you treating the .5 unit in terms of your overall accounting of profits/losses?

bleep24 · Feb 26, 03:02 AM 2017

Hi Doctor S,

I do not know how anyone else treats the zero, but I count it as a full loss whichever way result. Not every casino/table has the rule.

Why I count it as a loss is because 99 times out of a 100 I am using +1/-1 progression and we are only talking a few units to take account of when a zero shows (unless you are staking multiple positions. Also it will depend on which prog. you are using)

If I was betting say, 13 units I would certainly be on a table with the rule and adjusting stakes.
I sometimes play a system where betting zero is part of it so it causes no problem.
Bleep

atlantis · Feb 26, 04:25 AM 2017

Hi Doctor S,

I also count and accept the 0 as a loss - and go to next step. I do not record the 0 on my sheet whether it occurs during betting or not; so I class it as a kind of "non-result". (That *could* make a different outcome to mogul's decisions if he has included 0 in charting)
Again, I do not think I would play on more than 2 sides of an EC at the same time either.
Still, I'm a little unsure as the to the best progression required at this stage of trial and error testing. There's LOTS of them that can be tried... For instance gr8player, best of 5, guetting, parlay...etc.. etc...
(Playing for real test with low stakes + le partage rule)
Regards, A.

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