*PATTERN 4*

[vundarosa]

THIS IS THE ONE   :LoL: !


thanks JL, we owe you  


Day One I am +500 Units

I do ONLY play at BV NZ RNG

I do play ALL THREE EC's

RB
OE
HL

I play a Grand Marti of 1-3-7

I don't do recovery, I take the loss.


Every time you finish a 12 Spin Session, log out and start over


Each Session of 12 Spins take around 60-90 Seconds


Rinse and Repeat  


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@twister, log out for how long?! Does it matter?

vundarosa

[Moxy]

@ Moxy.

@ moxy...

I've never spoken to john but I know his background. I can vouch that he's done more to help people here and elsewhere over the years to make a profit at roulette than most other people on this site. The same argument could be levelled at you with a lot more ground. Which casino do you work for? I'm sure you don't work for a casino but your debate is an age old one- hit and run vs. Mathematical probability. This is something you should debate elsewhere in a separate thread as it is applicable ( in your mind) to probably more than half the methods posted here. That's not to say that there isn't plenty of people here who will agree with you but I would suggest taking this up elsewhere as it's not actually a method and neither contributes to the testing of this method.
Thanks man.
Woods

Believe me, I'm no mathematician, and judging from the enthusiasm here, I want it to work as much as the rest of these guys.  

My point is, however John is doing it, it could be something inadvertent that he might not be aware that is making it work long term.  Who knows, maybe if we establish what it is then it may very be the reason for a positive long term expectation, that's all. 

Is there a basis that we can go back on to why John is beating the house edge time and time again?

[kenio]

John suggested to play 5 sessions a day.  I'm not quite sure if its a good idea.
Lets say that this system will fail after 500 sessions.  Playing 5sessions/day it will take three months to find out that.  Than we realize that we have wasted 3 months for nothing.  We can even make a rule 1 session per day which give us 1 year and 6 months of testing.
IMO we should abuse it just like twister did it, winning 500units today.  This way we will find out if  it holds up or not.
I'm still a little bit confused why we have to wait 20 spins between sessions.  Does it really change our outcome?

[GLC]

You could be right or you could be very, very lucky; but you must have an explanation to that like every thing else in nature if you are right.  

If I roll the dice once every day for one year or straight through in one day and reach an equal amount of rolls, I will get close to a ratio of 1/6 of 7's that would come out for both events proving that it doesn't matter when or how long it takes you to complete each of your tests.

So how do you explain having a 1/7 W/L ratio playing straight through uninterrupted and then suddenly improving to a 1/10 or 1/13 by playing it in intervals in different sessions with gaps in between?  Reasonable enough question, I would think.

Everybody playing this system needs to keep the above post tucked away in the back of your mind.

Have fun while you're winning.  But please, don't give it all back if the spins stop being so favorable.

Here's a suggestion and I'm not saying this is mathematically correct either, but it may help a little. 

When you sit down to play, if you win the 1st 3 12 spin sessions (or some such predictor), keep playing.  You may be having a lucky streak.

If you lose within the first 3 games, quit and come back another day.  You may be having an unlucky day.

This is an intangible factor that, if you have good instincts this, may, I emphasize "may", help you stay ahead in the long run.

Playing for extended periods of time while you're hot, increasing bets with the houses money, etc... vs quiting while the quiting is good when you're cold is a possible way to win at gambling.

In the long run, it may not matter that much because you never know if you're quitting just before getting hot or if you're going to keep playing just as you're going into a down turn, but I can testify that in the short run it seems to make a difference for me.

G

[ScoobyDoo]

Hi Guys,

Well, the math for this is simple up to a point. Each grouping of three EC's has a one in eight chance of appearing.

Now here is the math that might be making the difference. What are the odds of any group of three EC's repeating or NOT repeating EXACTLY four groups later?

I have no way of calculating that. I'm sure one of you math geeks can figure it out for us.

By combining the two different odds should give us an idea of why it is working so well.

Scooby Doo

[Johnlegend]

John suggested to play 5 sessions a day.  I'm not quite sure if its a good idea.
Lets say that this system will fail after 500 sessions.  Playing 5sessions/day it will take three months to find out that.  Than we realize that we have wasted 3 months for nothing.  We can even make a rule 1 session per day which give us 1 year and 6 months of testing.
in my opinion we should abuse it just like twister did it, winning 500units today.  This way we will find out if  it holds up or not.
I'm still a little bit confused why we have to wait 20 spins between sessions.  Does it really change our outcome?

Yes it does, Twister is only able to get the turnover he has because he is using a super fast RNG. He still shuts down between bets.

Remember, I made this discovery while analyzing records for PATTERN BREAKER. There its working under the same conditions, And that means it needs to be applied the same.

What those of you who  turn to math as soon as theres a threat on the horizon dont understand is, random isnt good at doing certain things  We know it can do most things GIVEN TIME, but when put on the spot, it performs IN OUR FAVOUR.

As for me being a casino spy, come on Moxy. Hey Twister and Atlantis are my associates. We said amongst ourselves we'll do the casinos a great favour and forge the MATRIX VERTICAL concept into a great method.

PATTERN 4 showed me an average strike of 53/1 over 2600 games where 7/1 is required to break even. And a game is done and dusted in 10-12 spins. If this ever goes even partially mainstream, casinos will be more than a little concerned.

DAY TWO OF TWISTER VS BV  

[Robeenhuut]

That is why WE don't PLAY IT STRAIGHT THROUGH.  You win because your bet selection is asking random to do something in a precise place.

I have 2600 games recorded MOXY where random was only able to match the forth pattern with the first pattern 49 times.  that's a little better than breaking even mate.

Thats what John said.

So if we have 7/1 Loss/Win ratio using 1,2,4 progression or even better @ 1,3,7 i like it very much. 
John recorded 2600 games which means more than 25k spins.  Only 49 losses out of 2600 - 1 loss 4 50 wins.
Remember to discard Zeros and get out after each win 4 every EC u play.

If after another 2600 games we have 100 or 200 losses do the math - still way ahead.
I think we lost in this discussion little bit track of profit in Long Term even when we agree that
the way to play is in series of separate short sessions.

Thats my humble opinion.

Thx 4 hard work and words of criticism.  We need both.

[Twisteruk]

@vundarosa

I log out and then straight back in again. 5 seconds max 

[Twisteruk]

Yes it does, Twister is only able to get the turnover he has because he is using a super fast RNG. He still shuts down between bets.

Remember, I made this discovery while analyzing records for PATTERN BREAKER. There its working under the same conditions, And that means it needs to be applied the same.

What those of you who  turn to math as soon as theres a threat on the horizon don't understand is, random isnt good at doing certain things  We know it can do most things GIVEN TIME, but when put on the spot, it performs IN OUR FAVOUR.

As for me being a casino spy, come on Moxy. Hey Twister and Atlantis are my associates. We said amongst ourselves we'll do the casinos a great favour and forge the MATRIX VERTICAL concept into a great method.

PATTERN 4 showed me an average strike of 53/1 over 2600 games where 7/1 is required to break even. And a game is done and dusted in 10-12 spins. If this ever goes even partially mainstream, casinos will be more than a little concerned.

DAY TWO OF TWISTER VS BV  

Yes your not wrong JL  

Lets see how things go today

I'm gonna do everythin the same

I played for around 8hrs yesterday  :LoL:



ROUND TWO  !!!

[Twisteruk]

Things are a little slower today


I've had 4 losses this mornin already


Profit is at +49 Units for the day so far


I know I wont win as much today, as got "work" to do as devoted 8hrs to playin yesterday LoL  :LoL:

Will update later when I've played some more  

[marivo]

Things are a little slower today
I've had 4 losses this mornin already


Profit is at +49 Units for the day so far


I know I wont win as much today, as got "work" to do as devoted 8hrs to playin yesterday LoL  :LoL:

Will update later when I've played some more  

Does 4 losses means 4x11 units?

[Twisteruk]

I just had a session

The first three numbers were 25 25 27


So Im now bettin Low Even Black


Spin

No2 !


BEAUTIFUL 

[Twisteruk]

OK had a few more PM's about P4 on BV NZ


The reason for my good profit is down to turnover


1 full game lasts around 60-90 seconds, then Im onto the next game.


Also I play usin a Grand Marti. So if all 3 EC's hit on the third leg its a +9 Units game 


Anyone who is not sure, post ure P4 questions here 

[Johnlegend]

I just had a session

The first three numbers were 25 25 27


So I'm now bettin Low Even Black


Spin

No2 !


BEAUTIFUL  :LoL:

Keep it going Twister 4 figures is what im waiting for it tells me P4 owns BV.

[marivo]

All 4 for the each of 3 EC's?? Is it not  11x3x4=132 units lost then?