*MATRIX VERTICAL 5* (FOR HI & LO)

[clothdog]

yes juiced, that is where I'm confused. Maybe vunda is playing different than JL. Also,
it sounds like JL who waited for 100 spins plus all the games he is playing and other methods he is using is in the casino for quite some time.
cd

[vundarosa]

but that then doesn't make sense? Do you just carry on betting the same quad that is Low/High? and after 8units you stop?

I thought if you don't win on one you wait for the next quad to form and then bet 2u if lost you wait for the next quad and bet 4u?

Or do you just bet the same quad 4 times?

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Juiced,

You can play anyway that fits your style. I was playing against quads forming after a trip had formed (and was quite sucessfull with it). John was playing against 5 pointers. The initial progression was 1-2-4-8-16-(32)

Now JL pointed out that most groups that go over 5 pointers stay in the 5-8 pointers range. I looked at my records I saw this to be quite consistent with a group here and there going further than an 8 pointer. JL from his records found this to be 1 in about 25-30.....
So it made more sense to play against those since the BR requirement was much less and much easier to recoup...so its 1-2-4-8 total of 15u......for a fair enough strike rate if playing hit-and-run

vundarosa

[Juiced91]

Oh okay now makes sense. So you betting four times that the quad will either become a 5-8 pointer hence the Progession on the same coloumn.

Thanks

[vundarosa]

 

Oh okay now makes sense. So you betting four times that the quad will either become a 5-8 pointer hence the Progession on the same coloumn.

Thanks

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no, betting that the 5 pointer formed will not go beyond an 8 pointer....

maybe worth a look how the other way around behaves...but the odds should be the same

vundarosa

[Johnlegend]

 
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no, betting that the 5 pointer formed will not go beyond an 8 pointer....

maybe worth a look how the other way around behaves...but the odds should be the same

vundarosa

Hi Guys I am really liking this, I played two 5 game sessions today between HIGH LOW and ODD EVEN. The breakdown of all 10 winners.

FIVE POINTERS (STEP 1 WINS) 5----LOW--LOW--ODD--EVEN--HIGH

SIX POINTERS (STEP 2 WINS) 4----HIGH--LOW--ODD--ODD

SEVEN POINTER (STEP 3 WIN) 1----EVEN

These 10 games took a total of 216 spins...

[LuckyLucy]

That looks goods JL. I keep playing this and pattern 5 and both are holding up brilliantly!

[Johnlegend]

That looks goods JL. I keep playing this and pattern 5 and both are holding up brilliantly!

Pattern 5???  Do you mean PATTERN BREAKER. You must have lost a few by now Lucy. You're looking for an overall strike rate between 12/1----15/1.

[vundarosa]

Hi Guys I am really liking this, I played two 5 game sessions today between HIGH LOW and ODD EVEN. The breakdown of all 10 winners.

FIVE POINTERS (STEP 1 WINS) 5----LOW--LOW--ODD--EVEN--HIGH

SIX POINTERS (STEP 2 WINS) 4----HIGH--LOW--ODD--ODD

SEVEN POINTER (STEP 3 WIN) 1----EVEN

These 10 games took a total of 216 spins...

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gr8 results...i'm playing the 3 ECs. They all seem to perform the same... John, in your records, did you see RB performing somehow differently than the other 2 ECs?

vundarosa

[Johnlegend]

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gr8 results...i'm playing the 3 ECs. They all seem to perform the same... John, in your records, did you see RB performing somehow differently than the other 2 ECs?

vundarosa

Yes Vundarosa, they take you to the edge a bit more. You will get more 7s and 8s. When I saw a 14 pointer it was RED. Ive never seen HIGH OR LOW, ODD OR EVEN go beyond 11. Be nice to parlay one of these 7 plus pointers. There is hardly a 100 spin sample without one. We need to become MATRIX VERTICAL READERS. Theres alot of gold in this mine.

[LuckyLucy]

lol, yes sorry JL I meant pattern breaker!

[Johnlegend]

LoL, yes sorry JL I meant pattern breaker!

No problen Lucy please PM me your numbers. And are you tracking the breakdown of the seventh and eigth patterns? I'm seeing some very readable consistency here.

[amk]

No problen Lucy please PM me your numbers. And are you tracking the breakdown of the seventh and eigth patterns? I'm seeing some very readable consistency here.

JohnLegend, are you referring to watching until the 7th and 8th pattern are left and then forming a betting sequence for one win. If the 7th pattern lands bet that the 8th does not directly land after it..

[Johnlegend]

JohnLegend, are you referring to watching until the 7th and 8th pattern are left and then forming a betting sequence for one win. If the 7th pattern lands bet that the 8th does not directly land after it..nm

No Amk that is how wed play PATTERN BREAKER anyway. I'm talking about when you have PATTERN 7 and 8 left. There will be 1--4 oppurtunities to close each one.

By that I mean random will form the first two parts of one of the last two patterns up to 4 times before it closes it. It doesn't matter whether you reached the last two in 18 spins or 80. Random doesn't seem able to present you with the first two parts of PATTERN 7 or PATTERN 8 more than *4* TIMES before it has to close the door.

This is another virtual limit I think I've identified here. As XXVV said a while back the elastic forces are working to close that pattern. REFERRING TO PATTERN 8.

Well I believe theyre working to close pattern 7 too. And two is the number. Anymore and the effectiveness will be diluted. As you will have too many targets to pursue.

Now my interest is always directed toward identifying natural occurances that happen a lot more than they don't. I've just found another one that turns PATTERN BREAKER into a very affordable roulette killer.

I wont say Holy one just yet. But for a 15 unit investment. This is worth the wait. I will come back with some numbers on the weekend.

Just to wet the appetite I've counted  132 wins so far where your 15 unit risk is intact. If that doesn't get most at least curious. You are in the wrong game you really are.

[Bettor 27]

no, betting that the 5 pointer formed will not go beyond an 8 pointer....

maybe worth a look how the other way around behaves...but the odds should be the same

vundarosa

Test on January 2010 data from table 7 (below) using progression 1, 2, 4 for a loss of -7 on H/L matrix (4 wide)

link:://:.westspiel.de/permanenz/Default.aspx

Date   Spins   Hours   Units
02-Jan   282   4.70   11
04-Jan   205   3.42   6
06-Jan   158   2.63   -3
07-Jan   247   4.12   9
10-Jan   133   2.22   11
11-Jan   264   4.40   7
12-Jan   290   4.83   -11
13-Jan   225   3.75   7
14-Jan   301   5.02   7
15-Jan   315   5.25   -9
16-Jan   233   3.88   -3
17-Jan   174   2.90   2
18-Jan   312   5.20   -4
19-Jan   306   5.10   -1
20-Jan   265   4.42   2
21-Jan   339   5.65   4
22-Jan   323   5.38   -1
23-Jan   339   5.65   0
24-Jan   244   4.07   4
25-Jan   331   5.52   -11
26-Jan   322   5.37   -5
29-Jan   240   4.00   -10
30-Jan   258   4.30   -11

Result = 1 unit after 6,106 spins or 101 hours of play!

I take it this method doesn't work playing consecutively?

[viclimks]

Test on January 2010 data from table 7 (below) using progression 1, 2, 4 for a loss of -7 on H/L matrix (4 wide)

link:://:.westspiel.de/permanenz/Default.aspx

Date   Spins   Hours   Units
02-Jan   282   4.70   11
04-Jan   205   3.42   6
06-Jan   158   2.63   -3
07-Jan   247   4.12   9
10-Jan   133   2.22   11
11-Jan   264   4.40   7
12-Jan   290   4.83   -11
13-Jan   225   3.75   7
14-Jan   301   5.02   7
15-Jan   315   5.25   -9
16-Jan   233   3.88   -3
17-Jan   174   2.90   2
18-Jan   312   5.20   -4
19-Jan   306   5.10   -1
20-Jan   265   4.42   2
21-Jan   339   5.65   4
22-Jan   323   5.38   -1
23-Jan   339   5.65   0
24-Jan   244   4.07   4
25-Jan   331   5.52   -11
26-Jan   322   5.37   -5
29-Jan   240   4.00   -10
30-Jan   258   4.30   -11

Result = 1 unit after 6,106 spins or 101 hours of play!

I take it this method doesn't work playing consecutively?

But its perfect for hit n run...........