DIVIDE & CONQUER

[amk]

Hello JohnLegend and hopefully Scoobydoo as well............

So far, what has been your longest winning streak for first game of the day.............?

[Johnlegend]

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in that case, wouldn't it be better to play only step 1?!

vundarosa

What you should be trying to gauge is the average gap between strikes on STEP 1. There is serious value there I think. I will update my results for this superb method later on completion of todays sessions.

[Johnlegend]

Hello JohnLegend and hopefully Scoobydoo as well............

So far, what has been your longest winning streak for first game of the day.............?

Hi AMK sorry its taken a long time to anwser your question. I have won 28 in a row for the first game of the day thus far.

[GLC]

Who plays 00 roulette?
I wanted to say that I'm testing and keep getting permanently 5-10 units of 200-300 spins, I think this is a good result.
Thank you John Legend for help
1,780 games played.
STEP 1 WINS 1,072      i pass this step
STEP 2 WINS 567        i play only 2 step      win
GAMES LOST 141                                      lost
567-(141x2=282)=285 units

  I play without progression.
If any questions please.

Your statistics are very interesting.  This indicates that you have on average a 4 bet winning streak.  Can you tell from your records what your longest losing streak is?  If it's not very long, we can maybe use a pluscoup type method or a parlay bet method and generate more units without increasing the danger or unit sizes too much.

Thanks and nice touch, only betting the 2nd bet.

GLC

[17black]

Congratulations Gentlemen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is an outstanding effort - I don't really think it gets any better than this - I honestly don't think I have seen better.

[Jeromin]

Your statistics are very interesting.  This indicates that you have on average a 4 bet winning streak.  Can you tell from your records what your longest losing streak is?  If it's not very long, we can maybe use a pluscoup type method or a parlay bet method and generate more units without increasing the danger or unit sizes too much.

Thanks and nice touch, only betting the 2nd bet.

GLC

So now we have two systems where one step of the progression is particularly advantageous: step 2 on D&C and step 1 (3 in a row) on Vertical 8. Two systems in search of a double dozen progression. I asked that same question in another thread and was recommend this:

"Double Dozen Progression


Progression Level
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10


Bet level 1 ($1.00) on each Dozen for 5 Spins


If at the end each 5 spins we have a positive balance then spin another 5 times at level 1 ($1.00).


For example, if we won all 5 times we would have a positive balance of $5, if we won 4 times we would have a positive balance of $2 therefore we would spin another 5 times at level 1 ($1.00).


If at end of 5 spins we have a negative balance then increase bets to next progression level 2 ($2.00) for next 5 spins.

For example, if we won 3 times out of 5, we would have a negative balance of -$1.


Bet level 2 ($2.00) on each Dozen for 5 spins.


If during these 5 spins we have eliminated the negative balance of -$1 then revert back to next lower level, ie level 1.
If we still have a negative balance at the end of level 2, then go to level 3.


For example, we have a -$1 loss from level 1.


The first spin at level 2 ($2.00) on each dozen is won, we win $2.00 which when added to the -$1 loss from the previous level a +$1 which has eliminated the negative balance and we now revert back 1 level.


Cheers . . . Nick"

Jeromin
   

[Johnlegend]

RESULTS UPDATE FOR DIVIDE AND CONQUER FOR 10/10/2011

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 3,300

TOTAL GAMES WON 3,021

TOTAL GAMES LOST 279----(OF WHICH 37 CONTAINED A ZERO)

STRIKERATE APPROX 11/1

BALANCE 2,346 UNITS PLUS

DOUBLE LOSSES 16

STEP 1 WINS 2,047

STEP 2 WINS 974

This fast moving gem holds very solidly played 4 by 4. Again randoms turn and bite is tamed sufficiently enough over short burst play. To garner positive figures even at a fast pace. Next update at 3,600 games played....

[GLC]

So now we have two systems where one step of the progression is particularly advantageous: step 2 on D&C and step 1 (3 in a row) on Vertical 8. Two systems in search of a double dozen progression. I asked that same question in another thread and was recommend this:

"Double Dozen Progression


Progression Level
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10


Bet level 1 ($1.00) on each Dozen for 5 Spins


If at the end each 5 spins we have a positive balance then spin another 5 times at level 1 ($1.00).


For example, if we won all 5 times we would have a positive balance of $5, if we won 4 times we would have a positive balance of $2 therefore we would spin another 5 times at level 1 ($1.00).


If at end of 5 spins we have a negative balance then increase bets to next progression level 2 ($2.00) for next 5 spins.

For example, if we won 3 times out of 5, we would have a negative balance of -$1.


Bet level 2 ($2.00) on each Dozen for 5 spins.


If during these 5 spins we have eliminated the negative balance of -$1 then revert back to next lower level, ie level 1.
If we still have a negative balance at the end of level 2, then go to level 3.


For example, we have a -$1 loss from level 1.


The first spin at level 2 ($2.00) on each dozen is won, we win $2.00 which when added to the -$1 loss from the previous level a +$1 which has eliminated the negative balance and we now revert back 1 level.


Cheers . . . Nick"

Jeromin

I like this bet progression. 

I think for me to be able to play by betting only the 2nd bet, I'd have to be betting really large units to justify the waiting period.

I've been thinking about this and I really can't understand why we get such a good ratio between 2nd bet wins vs losses, but not such a good ratio between 1st bet wins vs losses.

What if we tweaked Scooby's method and went to 3 dozens instead of just 2.  Would we almost have an unbeatable system if we waited to bet only the 3rd chance?

Of course we would probably play this in conjunction with another system since we'd have a bet so rarely.

G

[Johnlegend]

I like this bet progression. 

I think for me to be able to play by betting only the 2nd bet, I'd have to be betting really large units to justify the waiting period.

I've been thinking about this and I really can't understand why we get such a good ration between 2nd bet wins vs losses, but not such a good ratio between 1st bet wins vs losses.

What if we tweaked Scooby's method and went to 3 dozens instead of just 2.  Would we almost have an unbeatable system if we waited to bet only the 3rd chance?

G

You would most probably have what I call a GRAIL OF PATIENCE GLC. But that is the crucial factor as to why this game is still considered unbreakable by the masses. And the maths fraternity. Nearly every human being playing this game has no idea how to approach it for success. And even if they did. They would more than likely lack the mindset to STICK TO THE PLAN. So for most the mystery goes on and on and ON...

[nightwolf4]

How are u doing guys with this tweak?

[Johnlegend]

How are u doing guys with this tweak?

I am playing my standard 4 by 4 application Nightwolf it works like a dream. In order to get that sense of extra safety. You had better be prepared for long, long waits. That's the trade. Your only goal should be to turn a longterm profit. Getting caught up in trying to find a method that never loses is an exercise in futility.

Unless you are prepared to wait unrealistic periods of time for a bet to qualify. Which of course the masses are incapable of doing. You will always lose longterm unless you employ hit and run into your methods.

[Jointu]

Hy JL and Scooby.

Great method indeed.

One question: When do you consider a game lost?

I usually play al level one : 1/1 and 3/3

If loose, I wait to avoid the double loss- basically play virtually.

In order to recover I got to level 2 : 2/2 and 6/6 for two games and go back to level 1. I am more prudent.

After loses I play until on plus.

I have a target of 25 units per day- won in one or two sessions.

As from my records the method is very solid if played prudent and with money management ( only two step progression and levels as above).
Has a very good strike rate, so no need to increase progression- only patience and acccept loses from time to time.

Thank you.

[GLC]

Jointu,


I like your method of play.


Your win target seems a little high, but to each his own.


Can you give us some input as to how you are doing?


Games played.
Games Won.
Units ahead so far.


Etc...


GLC

[Jointu]

Hi GLC

I haven't played many games due to lack of time ( shame to reveal for now the number of games      because I do not want to be judged on my conclusions- I will do it definately in couple of months).

I need to focus on my exams this period of time and also work ( audit is a killer  ), so play very very rare.

I have been a member of this forum  for some time now (although I have no contribution or active involvement ),  I have followed each method that seemed to be a winner until its dead.
People need to understand that: roulette could not be beaten in the long run without patience, money management and a method with a good strike rate (D&C qualifies for this)- Advice: AVOID LONG PROGRESSIONS- It will kill your BR sooner or later no matter how you play or how much profit have you done until then (hit and run or on consistent basis).

I trust this method mainly due to JL results and other members with positive results- which are great ! Also, lately I AM CONVINCED THAT NO NEED TO LOOK FOR HOLLY GRAIL OR GREEN HORSES-THEY DO NOT EXIST!

It seems to me that this could be played on a consistent basis, not just hit and run.

@Could some one roll it in a simulator ?

@ GLC: Why do you consider 25 units per day too much for a win target in several sessions ?
I intend to increase my value for unit of play and reduce my target to only 10 units per day. However, this will not reduce too much risks, only time spend to play and increases loses in bad sessions- but its an improvement 
And I like your normal way of playing roulette- bets which are approaching more to flat betting.

I think this is another factor to success and to deal with negative results: play flat or 2 step progression- and use different levels of stake. But the overall key is in the method of play- it needs a very good ( above 70%- lower will force you to play with high stakes in order to recover loses and it will crash your BR) strike rate- and also patience.

[Jointu]

Hi guys'

I had done a little swich on progression and play style- inspired by GLC from one of his posts- so this is all his credit. Thank you mate!

So far I HAVE NO LOSSES  - around 300 units made.


1.My selection is D&C but I play each spin
2.I use a progression (which usually I've seen it on baccarat forrums - and also GLC introduced in an earlier post - he suggested to be  played on D&C method):
1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3 3
and so on....
3.I reset when +1
4. If after first 5 bets I am down I move to next line ( line 2)
5. If after this 5 bets I win more than loose and made a profit- I stay at line 2 until made my target of +1
4. When target reached- I restart from level 1
5. Usually I aim for 5 units per session- There are times when I met my target very fast and times when I struggle    but never failled.


This is very strong !
Why?
D&C puts random in a box and even if you will be 90% of the time in negative balance- it recovers ! (At least it did so far    )


Usually the average loss rate should be around 36% ( uncovered dozen + zero- european roulette).

One of the factor that I follow is this loss rate ( number of losses/ number of bets).
When starting to bet, if after several losses its around 40% clearly you are in loss and also at 3-4 level in the progression.
DO NOT PANIC - SO FAR it has recovered due to beauty of law of averages and D&C method of play.

Last night I had a very hard session- it went to level 9 !- and the loss rate went up to 48% (I was 56 units down- and I had 6 consecutive losses- this would have killed part of JL profit made so far  ), but then decreased due to hits to 39% when I met my target.
Until then I haven't passes by level 5 in the progression.

This has reduced my enthusiasm

I continued to play but applying further money management: I use as unit value= 0.5% of my BR- this was after last night session.

I hope there will be other which will try and test or play this.
I know its slow and most of the time you will be down but it recovers and meets your profit target.
I play it on real money and so far- definately doubled my BR.