System based on Law of the third-need comments

[Drazen]

I had some losing games today.  so for my RNG game its necessary to implement some stop-loss and starting criteria.

I will just play if  there are at least 13 sleeper better 14+ sleeper.
I only play a dozen if there are 3+ sleeper in it otherwise they tend to challenge the progression to much.

I will stop the game if my 2/3 are not satisfied within 28 spins.

Hm.. one question has to be asked. Did you play with original progressions all the time, or did you whenever you had a hit, removed that number and recalculated progression?
Please next time mark these extrems a write it here, so we could examen the.

[kenio]

It's hard to have a strickt target profit. Lets say we have our TP at 75units.
In my session we would either stop at spin 49 with the profit of 64units or at spin 51 with 94 units.
Don't forget that we have two other progression still going.
So at spin 49 other progression would give us a loss -119 units and -166 units at spin 51.

[F_LAT_INO]

My 2 kunas,
That it should be tested with real roulette numbers,
as RNG isn't that.

[Drazen]

It's hard to have a strickt target profit. Lets say we have our TP at 75units.
In my session we would either stop at spin 49 with the profit of 64units or at spin 51 with 94 units.
Don't forget that we have two other progression still going.
So at spin 49 other progression would give us a loss -119 units and -166 units at spin 51.

Exactly Ken. There are so many questions that can be explored in this system, that i dont know which i should start first.

Regards
               Drazen

[Drazen]

My 2 kunas,
That it should be tested with real roulette numbers,
as RNG isn't that.

That thought is in my head all the time  Hm...

[kenio]

If we want to play the safe way, we should rather consider reducing our sleepers from 2/3 to 1/5 or even 1/3

[Drazen]

If we want to play the safe way, we should rather consider reducing our sleepers from 2/3 to 1/5 or even 1/3

But how when, we dont know which among them will have a hit? Some of them will have a repeat of course. So that means that if we take example 5 sleepers from 1 dozen, and observe them as a indivualy set of numbers again. They should also act by the law of the third. How to implement this in system?

[Drazen]

If we want to play the safe way, we should rather consider reducing our sleepers from 2/3 to 1/5 or even 1/3

Or did you mean on 1/5 or 1/3 of hits?

[Fripper]

As I said in one of my posts, I don't chase 2/3 hits on the unhit numbers, I play around 1/2 hits on them.

Here's my chart:

Unhit numbers: 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
I bet on:              1,  1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4      numbers

Example: If I have 5 unhit numbers, I look for 2 hits then take those numbers away.
If I have 6 unhit numbers I bet them until I have 3 hits then don't bet anymore.

I don't take away numbers after a hit.

Here is my first results:

* = highest progression

Session 1 : +202, 68 spins. (-164) *5
Session 2 : +145, 53 spins. (0) *1
Session 3 : +143, 64 spins (-55) *3
Session 4 : +138, 56 spins (-34) *4
Session 5 : +91, 60 spins (-53) *4
Session 6 : +109, 52 spins (-15) *2
Session 7 : +82, 53 spins (-68) *4
Session 8 : +86, 71 spins (-169) *6
Session 9 : +91, 71 spins (-229) *10
Session 10 : +145, 70 spins (-207) *10

[kenio]

If we have 6 sleepers in a dozen, we bet on those sleeper until 4 of them  will be hit using 2/3 method.
Reducing it to 1/2 we bet until 3 numbers will be hit. With 1/3 only two numbers.
Or we can play the safiest possible way, and when one sleeper from this dozen appears, we stop betting on this dozen. Hope that makes sense.
I think George had that in mind

[Drazen]

As I said in one of my posts, I don't chase 2/3 hits on the unhit numbers, I play around 1/2 hits on them.

Here's my chart:

Unhit numbers: 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
I bet on:              1,  1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4      numbers

Example: If I have 5 unhit numbers, I look for 2 hits then take those numbers away.
If I have 6 unhit numbers I bet them until I have 3 hits then don't bet anymore.

I don't take away numbers after a hit.

Here is my first results:

* = highest progression

Session 1 : +202, 68 spins. (-164) *5
Session 2 : +145, 53 spins. (0) *1
Session 3 : +143, 64 spins (-55) *3
Session 4 : +138, 56 spins (-34) *4
Session 5 : +91, 60 spins (-53) *4
Session 6 : +109, 52 spins (-15) *2
Session 7 : +82, 53 spins (-68) *4
Session 8 : +86, 71 spins (-169) *6
Session 9 : +91, 71 spins (-229) *10
Session 10 : +145, 70 spins (-207) *10

You have to admit,  results like are very glad to see. I regard you guidelines. Now is the thing if we can found constant on base like this.

Regards
               Drazen

[Drazen]

If we have 6 sleepers in a dozen, we bet on those sleeper until 4 of them  will be hit using 2/3 method.
Reducing it to 1/2 we bet until 3 numbers will be hit. With 1/3 only two numbers.
Or we can play the safiest possible way, and when one sleeper from this dozen appears, we stop betting on this dozen. Hope that makes sense.
I think George had that in mind

Yes i think i understand now. Thank you. Also very interesting. Good way in finding some constant i hope. 

[Gordonline]

Hi All

Just started doing some testing as you know, and thinking out loud here, to keep our win to loss ratio as high as we can and the fact that Drazen has split this into dozens, how about after we have our 37 numbers tracked to give us our sleepers, we start our betting and when we have our 1st win in any one of the dozens we stop that progression, wait for our 2nd win which will appear in the remaining 2 dozens and stop, we are then left with the remaining dozen and since we are only after one of our numbers to hit the odds should be in our favour

I think its a good idea to only bet on the sleepers if there's a minimun of 4 in any dozen, and any dozen that has less just leave that one alone (Just a thought)

Example below from my first test (64 spins of live wheel) all progressions reset after each hit

Sleepers after 37 spins

1st  Dozen 1,2,3,4,7,10      = 6
2nd Dozen 15,16,20,22,23 = 5
3rd  Dozen 26,30,31,32,34 = 5

Spin 1, 10 +30
Spin  7, 1 +12
Spin 18, 7 +18

Numbers 2,3,4 no show 27 spins after the initial 37

Spin 4, 10 +16
Spin  2, 1 +26
Spin 3, 7 +21
Spin 2, 22 +26
Spin  2, 20 +26
Spin 3, 21 +21
Spin 1, 16 +31

All Numbers appeared

Spin 7, 32 +32
Spin 17, 34 +22

Numbers 26,30,31 no show after 27 spins after the initial 37

Playing Drazen's method we would still be hunting for the 3rd hit on 3rd dozen but would be +172 units and on 3rd step of progression after resetting from spin 17 (34) hope it makes sense

As you can see in this test if we took the first win from each dozen we could of stopped at spin 7 with a profit of 78 units, also it would help us to concentrate more as following 3 seperate progressions during live play will be very hard between spins

All comments greatfully received

Will keep posting with further results

Gordon

[Gordonline]

Hi All

Apologies I made a mistake in 2nd dozen numbers, should been....

Spin 4, 23 +16
Spin  2, 20 +26
Spin 3, 15 +21
Spin 2, 22 +26
Spin  2, 20 +26
Spin 3, 21 +21
Spin 1, 16 +31

Gordon

[Drazen]

Some of my test with modifications as you suggested. I use about 1/2 of the sleepers and max progression. I will write in which spin i had hit at that number. So with 1/2 that would be for 2 and 3 sleepers (1) hit, for 4 and 5 sleepers (2) hits, for 6 and 7 sleepers (3) hits and for 8-9 sleepers (4) hits
Lets see:

__Session 1__

1st dozen sleepers (6 of them max progression possible 21 step)

0
1--- hit at 13. spin +6 units
2
3--- hit at 3. spin +18 units
4
8---at 33. spin +30 (dozen session stoped)

-------------------------------------- Total profit for this dozen +54 units

2nd dozen sleepers (7 of them, max progression possible 18 steps)

17
18
20---at 14. spin +11 units (dozen session stoped)
21--- at 2. spin +22 units
22--- at 4. spin +22 units
---------------------------------------Total profit for this dozen +55 units

3rd dozen sleepers (6 of them, max progression 21 step)

25
28
29---at 12. spin +18 units
31---at 18. spin +6 units (dozen session stoped)
33
34---at 9. spin +30 units
---------------------------------------Total profit for this dozen +54 units
TOTAL SESSION PROFIT +163 UNITS

__Session 2__

1st dozen sleepers (3 of them max progression 44 step)

0
5
7--at 14. spin +21 (dozen session stoped)
--------------------------------------------------------------

2nd dozen sleepers (5 of them, max progression 25 step)

16
17
19---at 18.spin +23
21
22--at 23.spin +11 (dozen session stoped)
------------------------------------------------------------------

3rd dozen sleepers (5 of them max progression 25 step)

26--at 26.spin +30 (dozen session stoped)
29--at 20. spin +18
30
32---at 9.spin  +24
36
------------------------------------Total Session profit 21+34+72=127 units


__Session 3__

1st dozen sleepers ( 6 of them, max progression 21 step)

0
5
7---at 21. spin +6 units (dozen session stoped)
8---at 13. spin +24 units
9---at 16. spin +18 units
12
---------------------------------------------------------
2nd dozen sleepers (4 of them, max progression 32 steps)

13 --at 5. spin +20 (dozen session stopped)
17
20 ---at 1. spin +32
24
-----------------------------------------------------------

3rd dozen sleepers (3 of them, max progression 44 steps)

27- at 8. spin +12 (dozen session stopped)
32
35
-------------------------------------------------------------Total session profit +112 units