System based on Law of the third-need comments

[xxlakis]

Hi I am back again. Can I ask did you play this on RNG when you had that situation with no hit for any of 6 sleepers in 33 spins?

Yeah RNG-Betvoyager

[Drazen]

Yeah RNG-Betvoyager

Dont want to offend you mate, and i am sorry that you had that lose but i am 10000000% convinced that happend because of RNG. They are cheating at some point always. Any RNG. Proven by myself with 100000%. But as you said that you raised 10X your bank i hope damage is not too big. Play on live wheels at least if you cant on land casinos. That is my suggestion.

[xxlakis]

don't want to offend you mate, and I am sorry that you had that lose but I am 10000000% convinced that happend because of RNG. They are cheating at some point always. Any RNG. Proven by myself with 100000%. But as you said that you raised 10X your bank I hope damage is not too big. Play on live wheels at least if you can't on land casinos. That is my suggestion.

I don't know but for RNG on BV i heard mostly positive comments and by myself i've never seen something really strange expect the incident i had...i wish i could play on live wheel but in 45'' between spins i can't arrange my bet and the progressions and after all it would take me much time for the tracking...well for now as i told i am doing really good again and just in case i keep my sessions really short and i close and reload new window after every session...by the way thanks for the food for thought you gave me with your post 

[winkel]

...  but I am 10000000% convinced that happend because of RNG. They are cheating at some point always. Any RNG. Proven by myself with 100000%. ...

I´m convinced you just didn´t see enough spins. It will happen on live-wheels as well.

How did you prove? Is there any combination of spins which is impossible?

br
winkel

[Drazen]

I´m convinced you just didn´t see enough spins. It will happen on live-wheels as well.

How did you prove? Is there any combination of spins which is impossible?

br
winkel

I proved on black jack but there should be no diference. I know that this is not HG method but long term winner I am sure.

Regards

[SirWilliam]

Drazen,

I want to commend you for the effort you are putting into this, and also for sharing it with us.   With that being said I would like to offer my opinion of what is really happening.

This system is a "FAIL", it is nothing more than a simple progression bet on 12 singles, using "any" 12 numbers from a single "0" roulette wheel would yield the same results.

All you have done is used applied logic in an improper form, to create the amount of numbers to use, and to justify the outcome. 

Because it is a progressive betting system, it "may" work in the short term, but it will ultimately fail in the long run.

[F_LAT_INO]

Drazen,

I want to commend you for the effort you are putting into this, and also for sharing it with us.   With that being said I would like to offer my opinion of what is really happening.

This system is a "FAIL", it is nothing more than a simple progression bet on 12 singles, using "any" 12 numbers from a single "0" roulette wheel would yield the same results.

All you have done is used applied logic in an improper form, to create the amount of numbers to use, and to justify the outcome. 

Because it is a progressive betting system, it "may" work in the short term, but it will ultimately fail in the long run.

As any other progressive method unless its
used in short winning cycles with restart button and stop los attitude.
Drazen is aware of this fact hopping that someone can improve base bet
he has introduced here..-..and bearing in mind he did it with his very first
post here......Bravo Drazen.....good work....regardless if it works or not.

[albertojonas]

As any other progressive method unless its
used in short winning cycles with restart button and stop-loss attitude.
Drazen is aware of this fact hopping that someone can improve base bet
he has introduced here..-..and bearing in mind he did it with his very first
post here......Bravo Drazen.....good work....regardless if it works or not.

Yes FLatino!
This is one good view from wich one can build up very profitable systems.

Quite a concept

[Drazen]

Drazen,

I want to commend you for the effort you are putting into this, and also for sharing it with us.   With that being said I would like to offer my opinion of what is really happening.

This system is a "FAIL", it is nothing more than a simple progression bet on 12 singles, using "any" 12 numbers from a single "0" roulette wheel would yield the same results.

All you have done is used applied logic in an improper form, to create the amount of numbers to use, and to justify the outcome. 

Because it is a progressive betting system, it "may" work in the short term, but it will ultimately fail in the long run.

Everyone has right to his opinion. Of course it will fail at some point in this form once even in live play. Every system does. Xxlakis gained 10 times his bankrol with this and you said this system is FAIL? And did you noticed that recommend bankroll for this is respectful amount of money? And that fail that happened in xxlakis play on RNG was in one dozen and you have 3 of them at the same time? And when you gain your bankroll 10 times with that damage is realy not big. I posted this because i belive it has some merit and this base can be much improved.
                 Drazen

[Drazen]

Yesterday i had my first session on roulette, on airball. My goal was +100 units, of course with using several diferent systems. I used this system in one part of  my game also. (because i didnt have large bank to play in full variant) As i said before FLAT is my teacher in this, and he taught me many important things about this game and i am sure i have one of the best teachers here. So dont worry about me. Thank you FLATINO. Now i know that there is no system that will ALWAYS win. It is important to achieve you goal with several systems during the play. Whenever i am in plus with some system i switch to another and so on until i reach my not so big profit goal. Bread and butter only. Switching systems at the right time is the thing that will keep me alive or at least protect me from some bigger loses. Even winnig method in wrong hands is losing i am sure.

Regards
                  Drazen

[Drazen]

I still hope any of you who can help me to improve this system will do that. I think base is good and we can tweak it to work even better. My last observations about this are related to trends. Maybe like that to improve power of this?

[ophis]

I still hope any of you who can help me to improve this system will do that. I think base is good and we can tweak it to work even better. My last observations about this are related to trends. Maybe like that to improve power of this?

Drazen don't worry to much. This system is superb and be careful because too many tweaks can ruin it

Remember its almost impossible to make system that will win on every single combination of spins.

Either way its time for me to code this baby so today I will try to read this entire thread. I have no idea how many mods/modification there is here but seeing 13 pages I think there may be few of them. Do you have any suggestions about optimal rules for this system that you would like to see coded? Or should I read it all and decide by myself?

PS: Have you decided how should this system be Named?

PS2: If its annoying for you to write down everything from beginning you could guide me like this:
"Rules from 1st post + modification from post 56 +90 +125" <- just an example

[ophis]

... Switching systems at the right time is the thing that will keep me alive or at least protect me from some bigger loses. Even winnig method in wrong hands is losing I am sure...

Thats why MST Project is being developed 

[Drazen]

Drazen don't worry to much. This system is superb and be careful because too many tweaks can ruin it

Remember its almost impossible to make system that will win on every single combination of spins.

Either way its time for me to code this baby so today I will try to read this entire thread. I have no idea how many mods/modification there is here but seeing 13 pages I think there may be few of them. Do you have any suggestions about optimal rules for this system that you would like to see coded? Or should I read it all and decide by myself?

PS: Have you decided how should this system be Named?

PS2: If its annoying for you to write down everything from beginning you could guide me like this:
"Rules from 1st post + modification from post 56 +90 +125" <- just an example

Hi Ophis. Very thankful for this. I think coding this is not bad idea. I ll explain to you everything I can and what I think is important. When you read all you can pm if something stays uncleared. Okay. We track first 37 numbers and record sleepers. We will bet our sleepers through every dozen separately next 37 spins. We are using max progression possible for every dozen individualy. How many steps it will be it depends on how many sleepers we have in each dozen. And here are latest tweaks: we are looking for 1/2 of sleepers in every dozen and after every hit we cross of that sleeper, recalculate progression with the rest of sleepers in that dozen and continue to bet until we get 1/2 hitted sleepers in every dozen separately. When we have dozen with one sleeper we dont bet that  dozen because 1/2 for 1 is not hole unit. we cant guarantee for that. That is main idea. I hope you understand. Nothing too much complicated I hope

The name can be "waking sleepers method" or you can call as you like. That is less important

Best regards
                    Drazen

[ophis]

#1:
Original system is to bet until 2/3 of sleepers in particular dozen have hit.
Mod1 is to bet until 1/2 of sleepers in particular dozen have hit.
So you want to have option to choose between those 2?
Correct?

#2:
What is the minimum numbers to bet on (from all dozens all together).
Example: (if we had in one of the dozens 6 numbers to bet then we bet that dozen until 2 numbers left 6/3=2 BUT after every other dozen have no more numbers to bet then we are left we 2 numbers to bet and those 2 numbers can REALLY sleep for 200+ spins)

#3:
After we have no more numbers to bet in either of the dozen how do you want it to retrack?
Gather 36 NEW spins
or
Take LAST 36 spins and recalculate everything automatically
(this will result in constant betting after the initial 36 spins)

#4:
Could you please explain in details progression?

#5:
Are there any other mods you would like to have implemented?