How to gamble ,if you must

[beretta28]

This is the title of a very famous book,written in 1960,that's ,in my opinion, the Bible of a roulette player.
DON'T PLAY,but if you must(or if you like) follow these simple rules:

European Roulette:if you have acces to "one Zero" roulette with "en prison" rule play only ECs,with a "bold strategy".
It means to reach your win goal with the lowest possible number of spins.
If you want to win 10% of your Bankroll,double it or multiply it by ten times follow the rule above and ,on a yearly basis,you have a great chance to earn money(only a few units,but it depends how much is  "a unit")

American roulette:Play whatever you like(splits,streets,lines,dozens),but with the same principle,even if 5,40%is very hard to beat!

Of course you need discipline,to be ready to stop playing after 3 or 5 spins(10 at the most).
Who is able to enter a Casino and to behave like that?
Speculaters are able and could win,most of players are not and they 'll lose for sure in medium/long term.

All systems,even the most complicated or sophisticated are useless if they don't fullfill the rule hereabove.
Of course I also enjoy to create new systems,new strategies,new bet selection.
I perfectly know that is just for fun,an hobby,but the ONLY way of playing roulette is what I said before.
Casino don't like at all players that use "bold strategy"!

[GLC]

Beretta,

Thanks for the post.  Much wisdom there.  Hard to take for us system junkies.

I have recently been thinking about the fact that I have only 3 roulette books and each author swears that he wins most of their visits to the casino.  Brett swears that he wins 4 our of 5 times and the 4 wins far outweighs the 1 loss.  The interesting thing is that the primary method they all incorporate is to wait for an imbalance and bet accordingly.  Mostly, betting against the wheel.  Making a few key bets at a goodly amount and out the door they go.

Looking for sat 6 of the same even chance in a row and then bet it will change.  Wait until you see a dozen hit 5 or 6 times in a row and then bet that it will stop. Or, wait for a dozen to sleep 11 or so times in a row and start betting on it for 3 or so spins.  Tactics such as this.  Never just sit at a table and follow a trot for hours on end.

I think we must start looking more closely at methods of play that incorporate this style of play if we want to really feel like we can win every time we go to the casino.

It's as hard as quitting crack cocaine, this giving up on systems based on "gambler's fallacy".  Even as I type, I'm thinking of how to improve the 'Barometer" system outlined in the Monte Carlo Anecdotes.

Will I never learn.  I can identify with Warrior, I test and test and win and win and even win pretty well sometimes at the casino.  But, every now and then, I have a losing day that takes most of my hard earned wins.  I'm still manging to stay a little ahead, but not with any confidence.

GLC

[hoper335]

 


Ron.

[beretta28]

GLC,
I appreciate your creativity and I've read most of your posts.

Once again,if you want to have fun in playing roulette you(and me too) can continue to invent,to modify,to test.....
But if you and me want to become "speculateurs" and win some units regularly,maybe without much fun and no adrenaline at the roulette table,we must follow the rules of the book i mentioned.

It's available on the web for a few $ or â,¬ and what's important and I forgot to say,is that it has been written by two famous Ph. D in math and statistics.
Usually these guys laugh about people that try to beat roulette or suggest systems,They consider(and may be they are right) that no system can beat the roulette.
But in this case they don't laugh,even if they suggest that people must not gamble.
In "HOW TO GAMBLE,IF YOU MUST" they explain  the best way of playing roulette.
Boring way,ten minutes at the table and other hard rules,but high possibilities to be  a winner!

If you read it and you'll be convinced,you'll stop(like I've done) masturbating you brain in complicated and useless solution or systems

[ewarwoowar]

like most on here i test systems all the time, jumping from one to another, far too easily i suspect.
what i can tell you is that i've literally lost count the number of times i've gone into a b&m casino, lost money on a system, got spooked and then won most, if not all of it back on gambler's fallacy based methods.
i wonder looking back, why i don't employ this method all the time?
probably because we're constantly told that it doesn't work!
a favourite method of winning (recouping) is to stand in between 4 tables and watch for trends to develop and then as george says, to bet against them.
i'll play sometimes 2 tables at once. betting that the dozen or column won't repeat a 6th or 7th time etc etc.
is there something in this? we're told not.

[beretta28]

To play only a few spins per session is the first important step for improving our approach.
The second one is to try to reach our goal(that you have to decide before entering a Casino!) with the lowest number of spins.This is the difficult part!!!


All the rest,waiting for 6 or 7 dozens in a row,for 10 Reds in a row,for 20 not hitting dozens are only gambler's fallacy methods.
Also ALL other bet selections or methods are useless,but if we win playing like that,we'll consider that our bet selection is the good method
NO,it's pure luck and it won't last.
But it doesn't matter:we can use any bet selection(it's amazing and it satisfies our ego),if we use the rules I have illustrated in the first two phrases.

For instance:
I enter a Casino with 1000 â,¬ and my win goals are:

-the first day or session to double my bankroll

-the second day to win only 10% of my bankroll

-the third day I want multiply by ten my bankroll

Could someone tell us how to play for getting these win goals?

Of course if you have read the book,you know already.

[vos]

Hi beretta28,

I can see you are getting a few guys excited here about this book that you've read, and that there are a few rules to follow when playing roulette.

So before everyone starts running off to their nearest casino to play their 10 spins for the day with an aggressive strategy (nowadays this is called a hit-and-run-method), just stop for a second, clear your heads and hear me out.

As with life, there are many "rules" or "restrictions" that we live by, only because that's what we've been tought from generation to generation.

But through history there are people who chose not to restrict themselves to these so-called rules, and those were usually the ones making great discoveries, or finding new and better ways to do things.

The point I'm trying to make, that book was written in the 1960's, and science and technolgy has come a long way since then, more and more people are starting to realise that thinking outside the box is the only way to discover new things, better things, and let me assure you, hit-and-run-strategy is last years history. . .  and it just doesn't work.

Please look at my first reply (#7) at this thread :
hxxp: rouletteforum. cc/newcomer's-space/eeyore's-philosophy-of-roulette/

In short, if we all incorporate a bold 10 spin strategy, the casino will still take their 2. 7% or 5. 4% winnings from the overall spins for the day, only differnce is that 10 of those spins would be played by me, 10 by you and so on. . .
Someone is still going to lose, and if by any chance you accidentally broke a mirror in the last 7 years, I don't think you're going to have much luck with your 10 spins per day, no matter how boldly you approach them.

And that my friend is why we are all here, looking for something that will outlast the casino in the long run, brainstorming our ideas with each other, however bad they might seem at first, because my silly idea might spark a brilliant thought pattern with someone else, making them think of something they never thought of, and that is how discoveries are made . . . yes, even if at first the whole world think something is impossible.

[beretta28]

Roulette is a very simple game,even if most players are convinced that it is complicated.
The book I mentioned has been printed in several editions,the last one in 2002,because what the book says, has been verified and confirmed by modern computers.
The theory of 10 spins at the most(but the average is 2 -5 spins) is not exactly an hit-and run method,even if it's quite similar.
It's the method that allows to your bankroll to last the longest possible time!
I've never said that is a winning method,that doesn't exist at a game with a negative math expectation.
The first part of the book demonstrates that playing roulette means "sure ruin"!
But "IF YOU MUST"....try to lose as late as possible and maybe you can stay a winner for a few months or years.
I used to invent new methods,new strategies too,but I gave up!
I can admit that to try to find out a solution that doesn't exist can give to the brain a kind of self-pleasure.
But pay attention that this self-pleasure doesn't become a pathology.
I stop before...but I don't want to criticize players that are still looking for something that is an impossible dream.

[vos]

Impossible dream ?

“Fooling around with alternating current is just a waste of time.  Nobody will use it, ever. ” - Thomas Edison, American inventor, 1889

“Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible. ” - Lord Kelvin, British mathematician and physicist, president of the British Royal Society, 1895

“There is no likelihood man can ever tap the power of the atom. ” - Robert Millikan, American physicist and Nobel Prize winner, 1923

. . . to name a few. . .

Let me assure you, nothing in this day and age is impossible.

[beretta28]

You forgot the following:

"In the future you'll be able to fly"  Beretta 28 to his dog, 2011

[furple]

You forgot the following:

"In the future you'll be able to fly"  Beretta 28 to his dog, 2011

Pigs might fly- lewis Caroll 1872 

[Johnlegend]

To play only a few spins per session is the first important step for improving our approach.
The second one is to try to reach our goal(that you have to decide before entering a Casino!) with the lowest number of spins.This is the difficult part!!!


All the rest,waiting for 6 or 7 dozens in a row,for 10 Reds in a row,for 20 not hitting dozens are only gambler's fallacy methods.
Also ALL other bet selections or methods are useless,but if we win playing like that,we'll consider that our bet selection is the good method
NO,it's pure luck and it won't last.
But it doesn't matter:we can use any bet selection(it's amazing and it satisfies our ego),if we use the rules I have illustrated in the first two phrases.

For instance:
I enter a Casino with 1000 â,¬ and my win goals are:

-the first day or session to double my bankroll

-the second day to win only 10% of my bankroll

-the third day I want multiply by ten my bankroll

Could someone tell us how to play for getting these win goals?

Of course if you have read the book,you know already.

No disrespect to these books written half a  century ago, but they were of their time. Things don't stand still. People can only write of what they know, have experienced.

Nobody knew of the MATRIX VERTICAL concept then for example. Or Pattern breaker, Divide and Conquer, PHASE 3.

All of which defy known thinking on the game and win. Brett Morton for example is a classic gambler, good yes, but too here there and everywhere to adhere to a guaranteed method like MV5.

I don't consider what I do GAMBLING, I haven't for a long time. Gambling is taking a risk with no CERTAINTY of success. I haven't left a land casino a loser for 7 years.

Your method either works or it doesn't. If it has true value then digging yourself out of a hole so to speak isnt the norm, its a minor occasional setback that you accept but at the same time YOU ALREADY KNOW will be overcome and passed by.

With a great method like MV5 there are no surprises. There shouldnt be with any method worth its salt. When I've read stories of people who say their method won for several years only to crumble and stop working say 3 years down the road I say they are working for the other side its nonsense.

Random doesn't behave like that, it will show you in a hurry the weakness of your method. The question you need anwsered is does the strengths of your method outweigh it.  

There are now a handful of methods on this forum that have roulette beaten for ALLTIME. My threshold for testing debating is limited. My threshold for WINNING isnt.
               

[beretta28]

The methods illustrated in the book has been validated by the most modern computers.
Math and statistics have no age,they were valid a century ago,50 years ago,today and they will be tomorrow.
Read again ALL my posts:I don't say that it's a winning method.

I'don't know MV5 method.Where can I find it?

All the others you mentioned(Matrix,Pattern breaker,Phase 3 etc) are older than my book!
I used to play with the same concept or strategy structure at least 20 years ago
They don't work,unluckily for me too,because I'm a player!

Do you know who are the most expert in roulette methods and strategies?
The Casinos!
With the methods hereabove they have no problems at all.
Do you know that the most important Casinos in US and Europe are in touch with the most famous American and European Universities dealing with math,statistic,stochastic process and they will know before us, if a method could be invented for beating roulette?
Sofar they don't worry at all.
Do you think that you and me,with the other users,can find out a system before Casinos and MIT,Harvard,Eaton?
I hope so,but I'm pessimistic

Even with the method of my book Casinos earn a little moneyt,but at least it disturbs them

[Johnlegend]

The methods illustrated in the book has been validated by the most modern computers.
Math and statistics have no age,they were valid a century ago,50 years ago,today and they will be tomorrow.
Read again ALL my posts:I don't say that it's a winning method.

I'don't know MV5 method.Where can I find it?

All the others you mentioned(Matrix,Pattern breaker,Phase 3 etc) are older than my book!
I used to play with the same concept or strategy structure at least 20 years ago
They don't work,unluckily for me too,because I'm a player!

Do you know who are the most expert in roulette methods and strategies?
The Casinos!
With the methods hereabove they have no problems at all.
Do you know that the most important Casinos in US and Europe are in touch with the most famous American and European Universities dealing with math,statistic,stochastic process and they will know before us, if a method could be invented for beating roulette?
Sofar they don't worry at all.
Do you think that you and me,with the other users,can find out a system before Casinos and MIT,Harvard,Eaton?
I hope so,but I'm pessimistic

Even with the method of my book Casinos earn a little moneyt,but at least it disturbs them

They knew of MATRIX VERTICAL 5? I think you are giving these people far too much respect beretta. Even Scooby Doos Divide and Conquer ABSOLUTELY DESTROYS ROULETTE.

I had several people asking what I was doing last week while playing it. Even the croupier was making eye contact with me with a look that told me he knew, that me winning 22 times in a row was no luck. Your method either works or it doesnt. There is no halfway.

Maths, statistics have never covered the entire story. Because they deal with what is layed before them. While telling us the limits of a layout system, they forgot about the limits of random itself.

This is why methods like MV5 and PB work. They have identified definate limits, boundaries that random isnt very good at overcoming. The one QUALITY required to run them successfuly *PATIENCE*.

And its the lack of this essential quality in humans that sustains the myth that roulette is not beatable longterm. If I could program enough people to play as I do the game is in trouble. Humans inherent lack of patience has always and will always be the only reason we wrongly give mathematicians too much credit.

And casinos a false sense of security with house edge and table limits. Roulette has ACHILLES HEELS. MV5, PB and D & C are three of them.

[beretta28]

Congratulations,
you have now three methods(not one but three) that have destroyed roulette.
Thanks for sharing