Bias

[Paul The Octopus]

I am a new member from Australia.  We only have one zero here and looking for a low risk strategy doubling up on the dozen.  At a local club we have a physical wheel mechanically driven maybe at a constant speed with the ball also mechanically delivered also maybe at a constant speed.  Bets are placed on screens with a minimum of 1 unit and a maximum of 100 (but could commandeer 3 screens) .  Would this type of table be more inclined to indicate a bias or is bias a myth? Look forward to hearing any comments

[GLC]

I am a new member from Australia.  We only have one zero here and looking for a low risk strategy doubling up on the dozen.  At a local club we have a physical wheel mechanically driven maybe at a constant speed with the ball also mechanically delivered also maybe at a constant speed.  Bets are placed on screens with a minimum of 1 unit and a maximum of 100 (but could commandeer 3 screens) .  Would this type of table be more inclined to indicate a bias or is bias a myth? Look forward to hearing any comments

Paul,  The answer to this question seems to be yes, there is a bias.  It appears that with airball machines like yours there is a definite tendency for recent numbers to hit again a little sooner than random would dictate.

For a system that has been played on and developed for airball machines by Flatino, a highly respected and venerable member of this forum, please read his "Promised Constant Winning Bet" system under "Full Systems".

The airball favoring tweak to his original system begins around the last 50 or so replys.

If you have any questions, just post them under that thread and someone will be glad to help you get up to speed.


Good Luck,

George

[Skakus]

I don't know much about wheel bias, but I suspect these closed in airball machines don't get cleaned nearly as often as a normal live wheel would. So maybe check your wheel out for grubby marks, bits of fluff in the pockets, etc. Things like that could cause a bias here and there. You could then profile the wheel for a while and see if the blemishes are having any effect.

[MM]

GLC
""""Paul,  The answer to this question seems to be yes, there is a bias.  It appears that with airball machines like yours there is a definite tendency for recent numbers to hit again a little sooner than random would dictate.""""

What you just told isn t happening and it will never happen. Simply because there is no logical explanation behind it.
Bias is a complete deferent thing. Bias doesn t care about the recent spoon numbers to hit again a little sooner.....and as i told this is a fallacy...

Bias is exactly what  Skactus described.
As you know I have explored the phisics of the wheels (VB and Bias) so let me know some things more about you in this subject.

Thanks.

[GLC]

MM,

I have a good friend who "explored" calculus for quite a while.  Doesn't know a think about calculus.  "Exploring" something doesn't make you an expert on the subject, except in your own mind.

There are some of us who think differently than you on this subject.  I've studied under the tutelage of Flatino who's studied and been involved in roulette longer than most members on this forum have been alive.  In my mind, that trumps your self-promoted expertice on VB and Bias.

All your "bias" does is prevent you from taking advantage of the "bias" many of us are taking advantage of.

Octopus,  Why not take a pencil and paper and track your airball machine as if you were playing Flatino's system and see how it performs.  That way you can prove one way or the other without it costing you any money.

GLC

[MM]

Who is Octapus?

GLC The word "Bias" has only 1 meaning when we speak about Roulette.

The Bias is happening because of some imperfections of some wheels.Those imperfections can be on the CONE , on the POCKETS PADS , on the FRETS .
This makes some of the numbets hitting MORE often that they should in the LONG RUN.....(sometimes also on the short RUN but this is just coinsidence...what we care is the LONG RUN)
A WHEEL doesn't HAVE MEMORY...SO IT CAN T KNOW WHAT IS RECENT AND WHAT IS OLD.

Yes I am an expert in Bias too....
I have studied the why this is happening and the how we can take advantage of it.
I have also enginiared softwares of finding the Chi square and I also have the gonzalez Pelagio Bias profesional software......

What you say is NOT Bias.....but even if we will give to what you say a different name...its still a falacy.
There can t be any reason on planet earth that can make a wheel stick to the recent spoon numbers. A WHEEL doesn't HAVE MEMORY...SO IT CAN T KNOW WHAT IS RECENT AND WHAT IS OLD.
IF a wheel has Bias the Biased(advantage play ) numbers will be hitting more often than they should on the Long RUN.....

Please when you hear or when you make something up in your mind, try to think IF there is a genuine reason behind it....If there isn t then its just a fallacy.

You should respect more the people that know more things about you.
When I say something I have the REASON(phisics or maths) of why this what I am saying is correct and TRUE.  
Speaking with farts can t make any progress.

With the law of Phisics what you claimed :""" It appears that with airball machines like yours there is a definite tendency for recent numbers to hit again a little sooner than random would dictate.""" is completely INCORECT.
Phisics just can t work this way.

Now If what you say is happening, then its from an other Star Trek law...so sorry but its NOT in my league.  

I hope I helped you in extending ur knowledje a little more.

[jon86]

A WHEEL doesn't HAVE MEMORY...SO IT CAN T KNOW WHAT IS RECENT AND WHAT IS OLD.

Very good point!

Jon

[MM]

Thank you Jon  .... its just simple phisics

[GLC]

Some feel that the bias of an airball machine has to do with the mechanical workings of the machine.  Speed of wheel, speed at which ball is shot, timing between each spin.

On the airball machine I play on the ball always falls within an inch of exactly the same place on the non-moving part of the wheel.  That indicates that the ball is being shot out at the exact speed each time.  They do change the speed from day to day, but not during the day.  The wheel appears to spin at a consistent speed also.  These 2 factors can in fact be considered bias in the way I understand Paul's question.

I hope my answer has helped you Paul.  Give it a test to see how your airball machine acts.  Remember, take everything you read on this forum with a grain of salt, and sometimes a big grain, and test everything someone tells you. 

Be convinced in your own mind before you risk hard earned money.

G

[deepred]

@ MM    I agree that no live wheel has a memory but in regards to airball machines they are
             cumputerized thus having a memory. The only way for these machines to immitate
             random results is for them to throw to different sections of the wheel. As the results
             are logged the machine ensures over a "long" period of time that all the numbers
             appear evenly. When talking about bias for airball I think the word should be
             changed to tendancies for it seems that repeats are more prevelent on these
             machines. Just observations that I have made from playing these machines.
                      GJ
             

[catalyst]

i have found GLC and DEEPRED analysis to be realistic and logicaly correct as i am going through sectoral analysis of wheel. some people tends to show their expertise and their main reason is selfsatisfaction to draw the crowds as people say empty jar makes the most noise. i have seen so many stars  with mathematical density could not escape the gravitational pull of blackholes. these are dead people with E=MC2.
thanks
catalyst

[jon86]

It doesnt matter what the wheel does or remember.

The only thing they look that the wheel dont have a slight bias.
The crazy systems we make doesnt matter to them as long as they have the right frequence of the numbers on the screen.


Jon

[Playborne]

I completely agree  :thumbsup:

[MM]

""""some people tends to show their expertise and their main reason is selfsatisfaction to draw the crowds as people say empty jar makes the most noise.""""

EMPTY JAR??  LoL...   If you find my words empty Jar ,then i am so sorry but it means that you are completelly uneducated.

GLC what you just described from ur observation it is called Dealer Signature.
And No it doesn t happening in Auto Roulettes because if you will notice , the ball is NOT being released from the OUTCOME number. ]
If you will notice , the rotor is spining and sudently the ball is being released from a point that ANY number can be under the ball.....
So it just can allow the Dealer Signature patterns to happen even if the ball is exactly the same and the rotor speed is also exactly the same in every spin.

There you go......maybe u learned something today.....(But i really don t think so )

[GLC]

MM,

The timing on the airball machine I play is exact.  The ball is shot out at exactly the same second each minute from exactly the same spot at exactly the same speed.  The wheel lifts for the ball to drop down for the next play at exactly the same second of the minute.  With all this timing repeating, you can calculate where the ball lands based on the previous number to within a reasonable range on the wheel.

The thing that makes it less predictable is that the ball is very light and bounces a lot most spins.  When I track patterns where the ball doesn't bounce a lot, I get pretty accurate within a dozen numbers.

So far I have never lost when playing for this airball machines footprint.  There is just enough tendency for the ball to land in a pre-calculated range to be a better bet than just picking a section to bet on at random.

Paul,  all MM is trying to do is win an argument.  Not try to give you helpful advice.  Even though I appear to be answering M & M's comments, they are really designed for you so you can check these tendencies on your air-ball machine. Some function quite a bit differently than mine.  The machine here is only a quarter machine and so I don't think they are that concerned about it creating a short term footprint as long as over a long period of time the numbers come in close to the true odds for random.

All you can do is test yours to see if there is a BIAS toward repeats.
As stated earlier, some machines definitely tend toward repeating more than expected and, maybe not every time, but sometime this results in a system winning at a better rate than expected.

G