DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet

[F_LAT_INO]

Pick up any 17 numbers---you can start from 1 to 17.....and you will find out any of any 17
will be evenly spread over the wheel.

[GamblerX]

A direct quote:

"We approach the chaotic roulette outcomes with a chaotic bet selection.

It also eliminates the possibility of a dealer/casino intentionally avoiding the sector you are playing (since we are not focusing on a specific sector)."


(The webmaster is a member here: KAV)

It will be interesting to share thoughts about this approach.

Very interesting idea. I tried in under RNG (which is of course NOT a roulette) for some session with positive results.

Pure mathematically, if we lived in a perfect world with fantastic unbiased wheels and without drift, deviations etc, would like like this. Each sector winning positive result shown below is when 8 units are places on table. So wager size - result.

This is calculated without any progression, beside the original intial progression.

1000 spins / 37 numbers = 27,7 spin each number (rounded down)

                                                                                         
Corner 0-1-2-3 profit on each win = 1u                             
Total profit after 1000 spins played (4x27,7)=110u 

Split 8/11-13/14-15/18-17/20-27/30 profit on win = 10u
Total profit after 1000 spins played (10x27,7) = 2770u 

Double Street 31/32/33/34/35/36 profit on win = 4u
Total profit after 1000 spins played (6x27,7) = 166,2u


Won = 3545u
Loss = 3767,2u 
Result = -222,2u

This isn't bad at all. Please pay attention that this is the result of performance without ANY progression added.

It would be exiting to develop a good standing money management progression for this one. Please recommend.

Cheers.

[Auskaki]

Thanks for sharing. Worth testing it out.

[rajucb12]

Thanks for share it .I have seen this some time ago. Was interesting at first sight. What do you think about best progression here? Please spare me martingale as recommended there.

[Kav]

Thanks for share it .I have seen this some time ago. Was interesting at first sight. What do you think about best progression here? Please spare me martingale as recommended there.

No, the Martingale in not recommended "there" -please read more carefully.
I have described only the bet selection, not the money management.
Thanks for your interest though.

[Auskaki]

I prefer to stick with the same 20 nos which I can bet as single nos or 10 sets of splits. Of course you can also play streets, box etc on them. With only 20 nos it is so much  easier to manage then all 36 + the single zero.

[vladir]

Kav, want to share your ideas on the MM for this?

[GLC]

Thanks for share it .I have seen this some time ago. Was interesting at first sight. What do you think about best progression here? Please spare me martingale as recommended there.

Here's a thought.  Why not use the Project 202 concept.  Play for 40 bets or until you reach a new high bankroll.  Every time you reach a new high bankroll, reset to bet #1 and start the 40 bet cycle again.  You will only get to 40 bets before resetting if you stay minus.  At the end of 40 bets and in a minus status, adjust your bet size up by 1 unit per bet location and start the 2nd cycle of 40 bets.  Of course any time you reach a new high bankroll, you reset back to 1 unit per bet location and bet number 1 in the 40 bet cycle.

I know that the author of Project 202 recommends only a 10-20% movement in bet sizes from one cycle to the next until you reach 3 losing cycles at which time you start ratcheting up the bet sizes expecting the Wins vs Losses to come back into normal ratios.  I have found in my testing that starting with $1 per chip and increasing by whole dollars is adequate.  I like the following progression:  1-2-3-4-5-7-9-12-15-18-21-25-30 etc...  This is just a suggestion.  You can adapt it to your liking by making it either more aggressive or less aggressive.

This is proving to be a very safe progression, but at 20 units per bet times whatever level you're at can get some pretty hefty draw downs so make sure you have plenty of bullets for the battle.

GLC

[Kav]

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This is proving to be a very safe progression, but at 20 units per bet times whatever level you're at can get some pretty hefty draw downs so make sure you have plenty of bullets for the battle.

GLC

Hi GLC,

I always read your posts with great interest. Just a correction. The original bet is a 20 numbers bet with only 8 units.

[GLC]

Hi GLC,

I always read your posts with great interest. Just a correction. The original bet is a 20 numbers bet with only 8 units.

Sorry about that, I read about the bet quite a while back and didn't take the time to refresh my memory.  Nevertheless, 8 units is even better.  Although, in the long run it doesn't really matter how many units per spin other than the size of the bankroll needed.

I also read your posts with great interest.  I have read most of the material posted at the Roulette 30 site as should anyone who is really interested in becoming a "winning" roulette player.  There's much to inform as to what to do and what not to do in our ongoing effort to find a personal, winning approach to playing this game of roulette.

With all due respect,

GLC

[Wally Gator]

Play for 40 bets or until you reach a new high bankroll. 

George, how did you come up with the number 40?

[GLC]

George, how did you come up with the number 40?

Wally my friend, good to hear from you. 

Mr. Moyer, the author of Project 202 stated that through testing a large amount of data, he determined that when betting the even chances on roulette, the distribution tends to balance out in 40 spins.  Now he was referring to even chance bets and it's entirely possible that The Kavouras Bet, being much more complicated, would require more than 40 spins. 

I use more than 40 spins for dozens.  I use the following logic.  If it takes 40 spins for balance (and remember, this is on average.  I've read other authors who use the number 100 placed bets for a balance on average.) on the E.C.'s, that's 20 spins for each option.  With dozens, we have 3 options so I use 60 spins.
For the lines, we would have to use 120 spins, etc... 

For the Kavouras bet we could calculate it like this.  20 numbers or options times 20 = 400 spins if you were betting 1 unit for each option.  400/8 = 50 spins.  Just thinking off the top of my head which is always dangerous.  Since there's no hair up there, just fuzz, I could be accused of using fuzzy math.

Please feel free to correct any logic or math errors.


GLC

[Let Me Win]

Eight years later and the Nazi   Ì¶G̶e̶e̶k̶ Greek still hasn't published his staking plan for this the most rediculious of bets. 

Why is that?

Beware of Greeks bearing gifts....

Maybe GLC left the forum because you didn't have the courtesy to reply?

[Kav]

Thanks for bumping this up.
Check out: link:://:.kavourasbet.com/

[Let Me Win]

In 2010 we wrote the first article where I revealed the totally original bet selection of my secret Kavouras strategy. It took the roulette world by surprise and soon became one of the most visited pages on the web. Serious roulette players realized very soon that this approach is very different than anything else out there. Clearly the result of great roulette experience, knowledge and creative thinking.


This is all lies. 

I'm laughing at the limited time offer of â,¬170 euros.

I guess you probably need the cash though considering what an awful state the Greek economy is in at the moment.