RANDOM VERSUS RANDOM--WINNING WAYS

[GLC]

Hi there

my test as if i'm doin it allright

thanks

Spielbank Wiesbaden Permanenzen
Tisch:                        9
Datum:               26.09.2010

NR SPUN/ SPIN NR / PENULTIMATE / LAST DECISION / OPPOSITE / NET / PFT            
                        
24   1               
25   2   0   1-   1+      0      
15   3   -1   2+   1-      0      
14   4   -2   1-   2+      -1      
26   5   3-   2+   1-      -3      
17   6   4-   1-   2+      -6      
13   7   5-   2+   1-      -10      
12   8   6-   1-   2+      -15      
24   9   7-   2+   1-      -21      
24   10   8+   1+   2-      -14      
9   11   7-   1-   3+      -19      
5   12   8-   2+   2-      -27      
11   13   9+   1+   3-      -20      
7   14   8+   1+   4-      -15      
31   15   7+   2+   5-      -11      
28   16   6-   1-   6+      -12      
32   17   7-   2+   5-      -22      
3   18   8-   1-   6+      -25      
6   19   9+   2-   5+      -12      
23   20   8+   3-   4+      -3      
18   21   7+   4-   3+      3      3
0   22   1-   1-   1-      -3   new game   
9   23   2-   2-   2+      -5      
35   24   3-   3+   1-      -6      
24   25   4-   2-   2+      -10      
36   26   5-   3+   1-      -13      
   27   6-   2-   2+      -19      
20   28   7+   3-   1+      -14      
28   29   6-   4+   1-      -18      
15   30   7-   3-   2+      -26      
26   31   8+   4-   1+      -21      
31   32   7+   5-   1+      -18      
10   33   6+   6-   1+      -17      
24   34   5-   7+   1-      -16      
30   35   6+   6+   2-      -6      
30   36   5+   5+   3-      1+      4

Cheers

I have one comment.

On spin #22 when the 0 hit you should have only lost 1 unit, not 3 units.

You were betting 1 unit on R = penultimate
You were betting 1 unit on R = Last
You were betting 1 unit on B = Opposite Last

To bet differentially you would subtract the 1 unit on B from the 2 units on R and bet only 1 unit on R and 0 units on B.

If R spins, you still win 1 unit. 
And if B spins, you lose 1 unit.

The same as if you had bet 2 on R and 1 on B.

Each bet should be played this way.

Here, you would have only saved 2 units but if you had been betting 10 units on R=penultimate and 11 units on R=last and 11 units on Black = opposite last, and a zero hits you lose32 units.
Betting differentially, you would have only lost 10 units, the difference between the total amount bet on R and the total amount bet on B.

Everything else looks okay, although, I didn't check to make sure your penultimate, last and opposites were correct.  I assume they are.

George

[F_LAT_INO]

Okay,

Second game:

-80 units

36 spins

Lagest bet 16

Won 6 units and then a few doublets, then hit 9 losses on doublets, won a few then hit 5 more losses on doublets.

Reached -86 with a 16 unit bet coming up which would have put me over -100 so I didn't make the 16 unit bet.  It would have lost.

I forgot to state another rule:  any units won can't be lost.  My 100 unit stop-loss begins from any high point I have reached previously during the game.

Since I had won 6 units before the losing sequence began, I subtract the 6 units won from the 86 units lost for a net -80 units.

These games are to be expected.  At least I didn't lose all 100 units.  That's one up side.

Next game tomorrow.

George

So we both lost last night George,except that I lost real
money/was in plus overall,28 units/and went for one more try RvR----and got
into play right when the fire started--double chops--zig zag--double chops,and so
for 34 spins and lose of BR 106 un.minus 28 won=78 min.

[F_LAT_INO]

Hi F_LAT_INO,

I tried with slight variation - instead of Opposite column I did alternating  CHOP/STREAK column...

spins        LD           CH/ST          PENULT.    

24
36
12              1+          CH1-           1-            1-
3                1+          ST2+          2+           4+ EOG
======================================
15              1-           CH1+         1-             1-
12              2-           ST1-           2+            2-
16              3+          CH2-          1-             2-
14              1+          ST3+          2+            4+ EOG
=======================================
7                1+           CH1-         1+           1+  EOG
=======================================
29              1-            ST1-          1-            3-
3                2-            CH2+        2+           1-


Thanks,

A.

Forgive my ignorance,but what would be advantage of such a play.
Thanks Atlantis.

[atlantis]

Hi Flatino,

In the small example it showed a nice profit -  but, of course, overall there may be no appreciable long-term advantage at all! In fact, could be much worse than using "opposite to last number"... (I have no tests to back it up at all)
T'was just an idea that's all - wondered if it might help as a possible tweak. Feel free to reject or discard the idea completely, FLAT

A.

[GLC]

Third game:

+25

40 spins

Highest bet 4 units

Lowest point -2

Band stands at 570, down 30 units

600
+25
-80
+25
_____
570

Today was a very easy session.  I continued to play another 60 sessions and got up 44 units then hit a series of chops and got down -48 in that series.  Ran out of numbers before I could see if it would recover or bust. 

Doesn't matter.  I realize that I can't continue after hitting +25 because I will either win 1 unit or lose 1 units on the next bet and if I lose, I will drop below +25 which violates one of my rules.  In order to make another bet, I have to win 2 or more on the last win to go over +25 by 1 or 2 points.  Then I can make another bet.

I may shuffle the rules around a little.  Since I'm the king of this test, I can do whatever I want.

Cheers,

George

[F_LAT_INO]

Hi F_LAT_INO,

In the small example it showed a nice profit -  but, of course, overall there may be no appreciable long-term advantage at all! In fact, could be much worse than using "opposite to last number"... (I have no tests to back it up at all)
T'was just an idea that's all - wondered if it might help as a possible tweak. Feel free to reject or discard the idea completely, FLAT

A.

Thanks for explaining Atlantis,
and I never discard or reject other ppl.
ideas,always looking for improvements
and other ideas.

[F_LAT_INO]

Third game:

+25

40 spins

Highest bet 4 units

Lowest point -2

Band stands at 570, down 30 units

600
+25
-80
+25
_____
570

Today was a very easy session.  I continued to play another 60 sessions and got up 44 units then hit a series of chops and got down -48 in that series.  Ran out of numbers before I could see if it would recover or bust. 

Doesn't matter.  I realize that I can't continue after hitting +25 because I will either win 1 unit or lose 1 units on the next bet and if I lose, I will drop below +25 which violates one of my rules.  In order to make another bet, I have to win 2 or more on the last win to go over +25 by 1 or 2 points.  Then I can make another bet.

I may shuffle the rules around a little.  Since I'm the king of this test, I can do whatever I want.

Cheers,

George

Same here George--2 tries,2 wins,in 86 spins 22+----
as am also alternating with couple other methods.one of these
column/dozen sector play,with which am most satisfied so far...
as with RvR lost 3 times now and in so far playing it shows about
slight + results,while the other one much more profitable/more often wins/
and only once blow up the BR.

[Colbster]

Just ended a very long "short" session to +20 units as discussed in earlier posts.   Again, recovered from strong drawdowns to end up positive.   Total spins to +20: 84.   I guess that isn't nearly as long as it seemed.   Draining session, as I was constantly betting 10-14 units.   Seemed hard, but good in the end.

[GLC]

Just ended a very long "short" session to +20 units as discussed in earlier posts.   Again, recovered from strong drawdowns to end up positive.   Total spins to +20: 84.   I guess that isn't nearly as long as it seemed.   Draining session, as I was constantly betting 10-14 units.   Seemed hard, but good in the end.

Colbster,

Good to see a win.  This is somewhat of a grinding system most of the time.  You can get down for a while, but like you saw, it does recover most of the time.

+20 is not bad.  It's good to have the sessions that you have to fight for since that's more realistic.

G

[Colbster]

Good advice, oh noble sage! I have experimented a little with doing all 3 EC sets at the same time and found it favorable.  Am I correct in my opinion that while 1 of the 3 might be hitting a rough spot, the other two should be behaving enough to protect against some of the downturns?  When all 3 are hitting, it is awesome.  I haven't had more than 1 of the 3 really turn against me at a time.

[F_LAT_INO]

Good advice, oh noble sage! I have experimented a little with doing all 3 EC sets at the same time and found it favorable.  Am I correct in my opinion that while 1 of the 3 might be hitting a rough spot, the other two should be behaving enough to protect against some of the downturns?  When all 3 are hitting, it is awesome.  I haven't had more than 1 of the 3 really turn against me at a time.

When double chops--RRBBRRBB--prevail trends and single chops
then it could be a hard session.

[Colbster]

41 spins, -107 units.  First loser that didn't recover before stop-loss.  Glad it is out of the way - now back to winning  !

[GLC]

Another session:  Table 2 Oct 4, 2010  Weisbaden

Sorry, I had to take the family on a short camping trip, so missed a few days.  I'll try to stay more punctual.  Although, there are a couple of other systems that are pulling pretty hard at my attention.

Anyway, today's session.

126 spins
+34 units.
Highest bet 14 units.
Lowest drawdown -77 units.

I hit +6 when at +23 so had a few units to play for extras.  Was up to +38, but ran out of numbers when at -4 on the last attack.  so, ended at +34.

600
+25
-80
+25
+34
____
+604

Three wins with one loss, but at least I'm back on top.

[GLC]

Sorry to have to post this follow-up.

I am discontinuing this challenge due to lack of commitment on my part.

I keep getting side-tracked with other thoughts and posts and not enough time for everything.

I don't have en prison results to test with which I'm sure makes a lot of difference.

I does well on single zero, so should do better on no zero.

FLATINO vouches for it, has tested it extensively, and plays it on a regular basis so I don't expect to accomplish much other than to confirm his findings.

Sorry Twisteruk.  Hope you're not too disappointed.  I know you were looking forward to seeing how things developed.

Cheers,

George

[Twisteruk]

George, dont worry it I totally understand


I was the same when Vic asked me to test the Tool


You will be very sidetracked when it goes Live ! Assumin its something that interests you 


Thank you for updatin us