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Craps RNG = Death

Started by Juiced91, Jun 06, 09:47 AM 2011

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Juiced91

I dont know how many of you play craps Rng but just stop right now.

I rolled the dice 140 times for the 7 to appear 110 times.  Meaning it had a 78% chance of appearing.  Where if it was done properly without them trying to rob you blind it should be 16% as there is 6 ways to make 7 out of 36.  So 6/36 = 0. 167.

So i would have to roll the dice another 520 times without 7 ever appearing to get to the ratio of 16%.  Making it 110 out of 660.

The 7 should have roughly come 25 times out of 140 to get 16%.

I learnt my lesson today >:( >:( >:(.

Just had to share with you guys. . . 

Maui13

RNG - According to the world of gambling dictionary (nope there's isn't such a book I made it up)  :wink:

RNG means - to be beaten to death with a stick you made!

:xd:

Ok, jokes aside... those numbers are scary you witnessed. Just shows, you have NO chance winnig at RNG! BUT yet, there a unfortunate people out there, that fall prey to this bull$%*&!!!

Anyway, thanks for sharing!

Regards,
Mauricio
Trust the timing of your life!

Bayes

That's nearly 20 standard deviations from the mean  :o

Impossible in a fair game, but we shouldn't tar all RNGs with the same brush. Can you give us the name of the OC so we can avoid it?

I hope you've complained.
"The trouble isn't what we don't know, it's what we think we know that just ain't so!" - Mark Twain

Juiced91

I live in South Africa and the online casino is called Piggs Peak. 

I have indeed complained and there has been other complaints too.  But they always refer you to someone else to check your account.

But if they are being regulated regularly that wouldnt happen. . .   >:(

Bayes

Ok thanks. I hope you didn't lose too much.
"The trouble isn't what we don't know, it's what we think we know that just ain't so!" - Mark Twain

ADulay

Quote from: Juiced91 on Jun 06, 09:47 AM 2011
I dont know how many of you play craps Rng but just stop right now.

I rolled the dice 140 times for the 7 to appear 110 times. 

Hopefully you recorded your session?  That would be interesting to play or see!!

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albalaha

Randomness is the biggest killer of speculation and this phenomenon works best with games like roulette where there are many(37-38) probabilities. Never think that if someone should averagely come X times in Y attempts, it will behave the same in most of the sessions. Randomness may go just opposite to probabilities. This is the only universal thing in roulette. Never speculate considering that what is the probability of your bet to win. This fallacy leads to dangerous progressions like Martingale and grand martingale and ultimately your bankroll finishes.

iggiv

It is next to impossible to get 7 110 times out of 140. I don't think anyone has seen anything like this before in real life. Just think about it. it is not 20 or 30 times, it is 110 times!
how often did u see red to appear 110 times out of 140? no way! and it is EC. and here
u got much less chance than EC.

this RNG doesn't work properly, that's for sure. be it intentionally rigged or maybe something happened technically with no real purpose.

albalaha

Dear Iggiv,
        RNG doesn't recognise numbers as RED or Black, it just pops any one number out of 37 or 38 numbers as winner every spin. It is not impossible to get 110 blacks out of 140 spins. If you have not seen this, do not think this can not happen. I myself faced a 9 number slice of european wheel (9 consecutive numbers of the wheel) which did not hit even once in 55 attempts in a live wheel. Can you imagine that normally? Randomness may let you win big and may let you lose all also.

vundarosa

Quote from: albalaha on Jun 07, 12:06 AM 2011
Dear Iggiv,
        RNG doesn't recognise numbers as RED or Black, it just pops any one number out of 37 or 38 numbers as winner every spin. It is not impossible to get 110 blacks out of 140 spins. If you have not seen this, do not think this can not happen. I myself faced a 9 number slice of european wheel (9 consecutive numbers of the wheel) which did not hit even once in 55 attempts in a live wheel. Can you imagine that normally? Randomness may let you win big and may let you lose all also.


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"RNG doesn't recognise numbers as RED or Black, it just pops any one number out of 37 or 38 numbers as winner every spin. "

it might be soo.......but its very suspecious that it would only happen when you're playing a negative progression and appearing just the number of times to make you go bust...

vundarosa

Bayes

Quote from: albalaha on Jun 06, 11:08 PM 2011
Randomness is the biggest killer of speculation and this phenomenon works best with games like roulette where there are many(37-38) probabilities. Never think that if someone should averagely come X times in why attempts, it will behave the same in most of the sessions. Randomness may go just opposite to probabilities. This is the only universal thing in roulette. Never speculate considering that what is the probability of your bet to win. This fallacy leads to dangerous progressions like Martingale and grand martingale and ultimately your bankroll finishes.
This is true within limits, but results follow certain distributions and there comes a point beyond which you have to recognize that there is a bias. If this weren't the case then the notion of bias would be meaningless. Yes, at times there can be extreme deviations but this is 20 standard deviations! you have to look at the numbers and not just explain it by "anything can happen in a random game". The wizard of odds was suspicious enough to complain when playing blackjack at an Online Casino when the SD was only 6.83. See the article here.
"The trouble isn't what we don't know, it's what we think we know that just ain't so!" - Mark Twain

Halba1

rng is totally rigged. avoid microgaming.

only i trust RNG in playtech casinos. maybe BV is okay , i'll test it.

today i did craps, and i did martingale on the field. i waited 4 opps for non-field to show. then i bet. guess what? non-field didn't show another 5 times. this is highly unlikely!

iggiv

Quote from: albalaha on Jun 07, 12:06 AM 2011
Dear Iggiv,
        RNG doesn't recognise numbers as RED or Black, it just pops any one number out of 37 or 38 numbers as winner every spin. It is not impossible to get 110 blacks out of 140 spins. If you have not seen this, do not think this can not happen. I myself faced a 9 number slice of european wheel (9 consecutive numbers of the wheel) which did not hit even once in 55 attempts in a live wheel. Can you imagine that normally? Randomness may let you win big and may let you lose all also.


9 number sleep within 55 spins is weird a little, but yes, a i agree, it is possible. 110 out of 140 is weird, but i guess still more or less possible. 7 points in craps 110 times out of 140 is almost impossible. instance which has chance of 1/11 happening 11/14. no way.

what u say is right, but practically has some limits. in theory 60 blacks in a row is possible but so far has never happened. what happened in craps now has less chances of happening than 60 blacks in a row

Juiced91

Na didnt record the session didnt expect that to happen in a million years.

I played craps on and off on an RNG never one always lost so i thought im just gonna play now win or lose and see the results wish i did record it to show you guys what happened.

Interesting debates here.  I believe it is rigged no matter the debate

ADulay

Well, that certainly does sound very bad for sure.

Unless you were chasing the "Any 7" wagers in which case you would own the place by now!

Still, the REALLY sounds out of whack for sure.

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