CODE 4

[amk]

Hello Bayes, just for arguments sake.....

Haven't casinos proven that you can win with roulette in the longterm......

If only the zero is allowing casinos to win all you have to do is cover it........

We all agree that there are "good" methods and just bad ones........

Methods which have proven to be exceptional can only have longterm success...........

[ZeroBlue]

@John

what is the indicator you do not enter the distribution in a bad run?


I have perfect success with it but i play after that bad run occur. So i guess the Hit & Run trick has nothing to do with it. I understand you do think so, but as an experienced player you seem to be and with all the drive you show to beat this game you should humbly think about getting some more plausible mechanism of evaluating the distribution.
Is there any logical (scientific) proof that play with intermittence brings more hit ratio than not?
I think this is the question people are making since the beginning and you do not answer directly.


I also can show my results here to everyone check them out. They are too good to be true. Maybe i got lucky. But that per se doesn't constitute valid proof.


Zer0Blue

[amk]

JohnLegend, if I may....

Zeroblue, I think the principle behind HIT AND RUN is that you are increasing your chances of avoiding a loss....

For example, we have looked at 5000 Live Spielbank spins and we see the following PATTERN consistently......

LWLWLWWWWWWLWLLWWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWLWLWWLW

Yes... if I played this method continually I would not like the results...however if I had to throw a dart at this sequence 5 times I feel confident I would not HIT an L to often.......

[ZeroBlue]

i see were you come from.
put it this way. if you have any method that wins consistently it doesn't matter when or where the losses come.


in your dart shooting you have 75% odds of hitting a winning game. and that is all. that does not constitute any increase in the expectancy.


if i play it continuously i will have the same 75% odds.
throw the dart 11 games of 5 throws each and you come out with the same results.


The only thing achieved is the mental delay of those odds.


Are you acquainted with the concept of Personal Permanence?


Zer0Blue

[amk]

I agree,

However, JohnLegend has won for many years....

One thing is for certain only the longterm will tell...........

At which point do we say we have a winning method, 1 week,  1 month, 1 year.......

[ZeroBlue]

1000 flat bets


100 profit

[Bayes]

If only the zero is allowing casinos to win all you have to do is cover it........

The problem there is that when the zero wins it only pays out 35-1, so it doesn't really help. It's not really the zero which creates the house edge but the relation between the payoff and the probability of a hit. Covering the zero might seem to be the solution for outside bets but all it's really doing is adding to the total chip value on the table.

[Bayes]

Zeroblue, I think the principle behind HIT AND RUN is that you are increasing your chances of avoiding a loss....

And just HOW does it do that? to me the whole idea of hit and run is Alice in Wonderland logic, I think it's just one of those myths created by gamblers, and there seems to be no coherent definition of what it actually is.

[ophis]

I agree,

However, JohnLegend has won for many years....

One thing is for certain only the longterm will tell...........

At which point do we say we have a winning method, 1 week,  1 month, 1 year.......

This reminds me of F_LAT_INO which was winning for over 3 years with a method.... and then he lost 18000 Euro. (if i remember correctly)

[amk]

Hello Bayes and Ophis,

Thanks for your insights.......

I think Flatino would have been alright if he hadn't increased his chip value drastically, I think this was a money management problem.........

HIT AND RUN I think can best be described as playing at a very short spurts.....

If you are playing with a system which has a 80 to 1 odds just 5 times per day spread out through the day you are limiting your exposure....  I think it just comes down to **exposure**.. The more times somebody crosses a busy street in a day the more dangerous it becomes......


ZeroBlue, did you mean that if we flat bet for 1000 games and win +100 units we have ourselves a winning system? My records show this.......  I will double check them and post.........

[superman]

I think it just comes down to **exposure**.. The more times somebody crosses a busy street in a day the more dangerous it becomes

But the first crossing could be the one time the damn bus arrived earlier, MM is key, exposure is a neccessity, you will only know if it was the wrong time AFTER the fact as usual sadly.

[amk]

Zeroblue, your own results show that you would have won +100 units flat betting, correct?

Hello Superman, ya, always have to look left then right......

With exposure I was only referring to actual time played, one game is very little exposure, you back track 12 spins, play 4 spins and your out.... or 8 spins a JL plays. So actual playing time is 4 to 8 minutes

As JohnLegend himself says if he were to play 5 games ie 12 more spins he would have lost 3 times by now, total playing time 20 minutes,    so time exposure is the key........

[Johnlegend]

JohnLegend, if I may....

Zeroblue, I think the principle behind HIT AND RUN is that you are increasing your chances of avoiding a loss....

For example, we have looked at 5000 Live Spielbank spins and we see the following PATTERN consistently......

LWLWLWWWWWWLWLLWWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWLWLWWLW

Yes... if I played this method continually I would not like the results...however if I had to throw a dart at this sequence 5 times I feel confident I would not HIT an L to often.......

Spot on AMK, its plain common sense really. But often those with rigidly logical thinking lack that to some degree. Aside from the method I drop on here on Sunday. Hit and run is the superior application for methods like PATTERN BREAKER, CODE 4, DIVIDE AND CONQUER, and of course PATTERN 4. It simply works, you will land between losing games more often than you land ON THEM. that's the plain fact Bayes. I have 16 years of experience playing both ways. I could never get an edge longterm playing STRAIGHT.
Casinos know this, but if the player has a decent method and THE DISCIPLINE to play HIT AND RUN. Winning isnt a maybe its a certainty. You will definately produce superior results that go beyond break even point. Then using smart money management you go clear in profit margin.

[Smee]

Heres my theory on hit and run - if you play a matrix system with odds of losing of 1 in 80, you will lose on average once every 80 spins. This is what I have seen from my own experiments playing with odds of 1 in 2, 1 in 4, 1 in 8, 1 in 16 etc right up to 1 in 512. I still lost the progression roughly once in whatever the odds were.

If you play CONSTANTLY for 80 spins you will lose roughly in one session. Playing hit and run say 1 game per day for 80 sessions - your only delaying the inevitable because it will still lose once. Maybe it just takes you 80 days....

The exposure to the spins is the same - 80 spins is 80 spins whether you spread it out over time or not, and random is random. It dosnt change just because you play on and off...Any number can come up any time you are playing.

This is why I believe the simulated spins for thousands of spins is a valuable tool to tell if a system holds up before i blow my cash on a system that sounds excellent but isnt tried. Playing hit and run is just going to take you longer to realise it dosnt hold up - but I had a lot of fun playing it and tweaking it over the last few months, and i have learnt a lot.

And for that alone I really appreciate JohnLegends and the other guys hard work.

[ZeroBlue]

Spot on AMK, its plain common sense really. But often those with rigidly logical thinking lack that to some degree. Aside from the method I drop on here on Sunday. Hit and run is the superior application for methods like PATTERN BREAKER, CODE 4, DIVIDE AND CONQUER, and of course PATTERN 4. It simply works, you will land between losing games more often than you land ON THEM. that's the plain fact Bayes. I have 16 years of experience playing both ways. I could never get an edge longterm playing STRAIGHT.
Casinos know this, but if the player has a decent method and THE DISCIPLINE to play HIT AND RUN. Winning isnt a maybe its a certainty. You will definately produce superior results that go beyond break even point. Then using smart money management you go clear in profit margin.

I have no interest in saying that these methods have no merit. They do. For several reasons that are obvious and i will not focus on that.
Although i think they are no better than any Random Vs Random Method. I can give examples on this if it is necessary. But i will not focus on this either.

The center of discussion seems to be that It is an unproved claim. I realize that John has his own dogmas regarding this game, as any other player creates their own based on personal experience. I really admire the drive JL has in beating the game, and maybe the way he hypes his interventions here, gives courage to many people.
But i am afraid we are running in circles.


Keeping this in the field of healthy discussion, i would ask if anyone can make a substantial proof of such claim.


"HIT & RUN raises odds expectation."


It would be a real turn point in the way we face the game.


Otherwise it will remain forever in the speculation world, and both sides of the opinion will never advance.


Anyone has a valid hypothesis to submit with verifiable results?
If there is genuine interest on this we should open a new thread.

Good Luck
Zer0Blue